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  • Originally posted by Brent View Post
    Maybe Harbaugh doesn't grade Gabbert as a first rounder. The only one, to me, that looks the part of a first rounder (talent/potential-wise) is Newton, but I don't think I'd take him at 7, especially for a WCO offense that's going to rely on the short-to-intermediate passing game (or at least that's the offense we're led to believe is to be implemented).

    Still havent jumped on the Gabbert bandwagon yet. Everyone raves bout his mobility, but I recall they said the same things about Alex Smith.

    He failed even when several OCs customized the SF offense for him to resemble what he had at Utah with the spread, shotgun formation, more audibles, more slants & skinny post routes, etc. And Brent's right, a WC QB he ain't.

    It's Peterson or Miller, a defense is needed to hold a lead or keep them in the game while the young OL develops & Crabtree becomes the Next Superstar Gamebreaker. The pass rush has been absent for too long, Franklin can't hold the point of attack, & Willis & Justin Smith can't do it alone.

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    • Originally posted by Brent View Post
      Maybe Harbaugh doesn't grade Gabbert as a first rounder. The only one, to me, that looks the part of a first rounder (talent/potential-wise) is Newton, but I don't think I'd take him at 7, especially for a WCO offense that's going to rely on the short-to-intermediate passing game (or at least that's the offense we're led to believe is to be implemented).
      Don't disagree that Harbaugh might not grade him out as a first rounder as we have seen with his past scouting reports he is all over the board. My main point was the odds of hitting on a QB outside of round 1 is slim. I just do not agree with the mindset that this team can afford to pass on a 1st round QB because of the Harbaugh factor. Past history has shown it takes a lot of things to fall in line correctly for it to work out and the 49ers have not done a good job covering their bases since the Alex pick.

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      • Originally posted by LizardState View Post
        He failed even when several OCs customized the SF offense for him to resemble what he had at Utah
        Are you kidding me? When have you seen any read-option??? His best success as a 49ers has come out of play-action (Turner) and Shotgun-3 wide (Raye/Johnson). He has NEVER ran an offense similar to what he did at Utah.

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        • Originally posted by binary View Post
          Locker is superior to Alex in arm strength and athleticism, that's it. Don't reach.
          I disagree. He has much better intangibles and leadership. Alex works hard and says the right things but it doesn't translate to field. He's jittery in the pocket, hangs his head and lacks confidence, doesn't "rally the troops". Locker is the opposite of that. It's not a reach if he became a franchise QB. What the media and fans think about Locker's value doesn't matter. Harbaugh had Romo as a 2nd rounder and David Carr as a 6th rounder. He obviously knows what he's doing and none of us can predict what he's thinking, but i just wouldn't be shocked if Locker was the pick.

          http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=2790

          Look at Joe Montana's college stats. Looks less accurate then Locker. I wasn't alive in 79 but with his average physical traits and those stats im thinking everyone thought Walsh reached on him in the 3rd. How did that work out? No im not calling Locker a future HOFer, I don't even know if he'll be a good NFL passer. Just saying I trust Harbaugh's decision, I like Locker as a player and person, and if we take him ill fully support it.

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          • Originally posted by Milk Man View Post
            Look at Joe Montana's college stats. Looks less accurate then Locker. I wasn't alive in 79 but with his average physical traits and those stats im thinking everyone thought Walsh reached on him in the 3rd. How did that work out? No im not calling Locker a future HOFer, I don't even know if he'll be a good NFL passer. Just saying I trust Harbaugh's decision, I like Locker as a player and person, and if we take him ill fully support it.
            Your side of the argument is fair. However, Montana was a 3rd rounder. You can't be a revisionist and say that he should've been a 1st rounder. Devil's advocate can then say that Locker should be a 3rd rounder.

            The funny thing is that the vast majority, if not all of us agree that Harbaugh's evaluation history has been spot on. Yet we all argue with each other about who the QB will be. Harbaugh will make the selection and the player will either be one that was loved by some or hated by others.

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            • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
              Your side of the argument is fair. However, Montana was a 3rd rounder. You can't be a revisionist and say that he should've been a 1st rounder. Devil's advocate can then say that Locker should be a 3rd rounder.

              The funny thing is that the vast majority, if not all of us agree that Harbaugh's evaluation history has been spot on. Yet we all argue with each other about who the QB will be. Harbaugh will make the selection and the player will either be one that was loved by some or hated by others.
              That wasn't my point. My point was, one, Montana was likely viewed as a reach in round 3. Meaning he maybe had a 5th or later grade. Locker doesn't have that grade. He's a late 1st/early 2nd by most. So taking him at 7 would be a somewhat equivalent "reach" to Montana in the 3rd. Second, is Montana was no more accurate in college. Meaning guys can get better. If put in the right system with good coaching its not impossible Locker can become accurate. But his physical abilities won't allow you to wait till the 3rd round to find that out. I was hesitant to even post that because im sure someone will say "omg are you really comparing Locker to the best QB ever. You're an idiot". No that wasn't my point lol.

              I agree with your second part. Most people seem to say whoever Harbaugh takes Ill trust him, yet we argue over who sucks and who doesn't. If we do take a QB at 7 there will be plenty of both happy and mad fans. Personally, I don't care who we take I just want a great QB again so we can contend for a SB. But based off Harbaugh's quote "do we need a top flight QB? Do humans need air to breathe?" Im sure we take one sooner than later. Unless he happens to hate the entire QB class.

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              • I'm still in favor of trading our 3rd rounder to GB for Flynn if possible and prefer that over drafting any QB at 7. The only QB I would draft at 7 would be Locker and only if Peterson, Prince, Green and Miller are all gone in the top six which I doubt they will be.

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                • Resign Alex, draft Ponder in the 2nd & grab either of the CB's @ 7 (maybe even trade down some too & grab an extra pick). I don't see Kolb or Flynn being any better than Alex & he doesn't cost us any picks


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                  • who would even want Alex? any team that might be interested, doesn't have a need for a back up. Only one I can think of is San Diego, but only because Volek is a FA, but he might just stay put and re-sign.

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                    • I see Smith going to SEA to reunite with McCloughan. Probably wont happen but thats my guess.

                      I dont see any proof that any rookie QB will be any better than Flynn. At least Flynn has some NFL experience. Granted, its just one full game that he started but thats still more than any of the incoming rookies. Flynn looked poised, comfortable with good accuracy and strength. And whether you trade a draft pick for a QB or draft one, you're still using a draft pick regardless. Personally, I rather use a 3rd on Flynn and keep my first and second rounders.

                      But to each his own.

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                      • Originally posted by Brent View Post
                        who would even want Alex? any team that might be interested, doesn't have a need for a back up. Only one I can think of is San Diego, but only because Volek is a FA, but he might just stay put and re-sign.
                        I think he will draw interest from all the teams in our divison. He has ties to Scott Linehan and with Stafford injury prone I think DET will look into him. Other teams I could see NE, INDY, and BUF. Still a lot of trend left on the tires with Alex.
                        Last edited by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?; 02-27-2011, 09:37 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by LizardState View Post

                          He failed even when several OCs customized the SF offense for him to resemble what he had at Utah with the spread, shotgun formation, more audibles, more slants & skinny post routes, etc.
                          This is brutally false, and there are stats to back it up.

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                          • Originally posted by Milk Man View Post
                            I disagree. He has much better intangibles and leadership. Alex works hard and says the right things but it doesn't translate to field. He's jittery in the pocket, hangs his head and lacks confidence, doesn't "rally the troops". Locker is the opposite of that. It's not a reach if he became a franchise QB. What the media and fans think about Locker's value doesn't matter. Harbaugh had Romo as a 2nd rounder and David Carr as a 6th rounder. He obviously knows what he's doing and none of us can predict what he's thinking, but i just wouldn't be shocked if Locker was the pick.
                            Is that you Mike Dingletary? I'm not buying it. Alex was more of a leader at Utah than Locker ever has been or will be. Leadership and confidence comes from a variety ofsources, mainly success and stability.. neither of which have applied to the 49ers.

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                            • Originally posted by Brent View Post
                              who would even want Alex? a.
                              plenty, it's not difficult to see that.

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                              • Originally posted by binary View Post
                                Is that you Mike Dingletary? I'm not buying it. Alex was more of a leader at Utah than Locker ever has been or will be. Leadership and confidence comes from a variety of sources, mainly success and stability.. neither of which have applied to the 49ers.
                                Lamo WhAT? I would still take Locker's leadership over Smith.Sure they both have it but come on man!

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