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  • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
    Obviously, im not a happy camper but at least he's not on the Rams anymore.
    Why? I'm glad they didn't waste money on soon-to-be 30 year old safety.

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    • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
      On a side note -

      Redskins signed FS O.J. Atogwe to a 5 year/$26m contract which is an average of $5.2m a year. Waiting for the contract details including guaranteed amount.

      Obviously, im not a happy camper but at least he's not on the Rams anymore.
      Dan's Atogwe dreams just dissipated. Atogwe, as a former Stanford player, would probably have preferred coming back here to the Bay Area, but I understand completely his decision...... it's really really hard to ignore Dan Snyder's mega-millions.

      Speaking of mega-millions...
      As for trading up, I would try to trade up with CLE but DAL would offer more since they would have to give up more and I dont want to move up especially if Prince and Peterson are there at 6 because at least one of them would fall to us at 7.

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      Originally Posted by phlysac
      In both of your scenarios, my biggest fear is that money-bags Jerry Jones would throw the farm at Cleveland in order to jump us for Peterson. That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
      Allow this Dallas fan to add 2 cents here -- the Cowboys don't have that much to give up, maybe WR Roy Williams, or former #1 pick 5-6 yrs back CB Terence Newman, who they're going to cut anyway b/c he's due lke $9M & no way Jerry pays up on that b/c he's regressed as bad or worse than Clements, hence the Dallas need at corner for Peterson = the same with the 9ers. And Dallas has OL problems just like SF, except with a much older underachieving OL, I can see them passing on a draft day trade, even though they've done more of them than any other team. Dallas is allegedly in love with USC OT Tyron Smith who had a great Combine & I can see them going for him vs. a CB, although they allegedly love Amakumara too, I'm just not buying it -- there's a big dropoff between PP & the next tier of CBs including Amaukamara, & Tyron Smith can play RT for the Cowboys right away although he was a LT at SC, Leonard Davis &/or Marc Colombo are rumored to be no better than backups or will be released soon b/c they're burned out, used up, so replacements are IMO required.

      Dallas like SF needs another C/OG, so I can see some maneuvering in the 2nd - 4th rds. between Dallas & the 9ers to land Wisniewski if he lasts that long, his versatility could easily boost him into the late 1st as playoff teams like Chicago & the Steelers are rumored to be going after interior linemen & there aren't that many good ones this yr. The Bears dumped Tommie Harris but this draft is chockablock with NFL-ready DTs.
      Last edited by LizardState; 03-04-2011, 09:53 AM.

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      • Originally posted by Brent View Post
        Why? I'm glad they didn't waste money on soon-to-be 30 year old safety.
        I just love that Dan Synder found a way to overpay a guy right before the lockout. It's like an alcoholic who goes on a bender the night before he goes to rehab.

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        • I'm surprised no one mentions Blaine Gabbert on here more often. If we take any quarterback in the 1st round, I would say it's him. Don't say no because the value isn't right, he's 8th on Kiper's and he's 6th on McShay's big board. Don't say no because he's a spread quarterback, it's not the death sentence everyone makes it out to be as Sam Bradford showed just last year. Jim Harbaugh recruited Gabbert pretty heavily out of high school so he obviously liked his tools then. Maybe Gabbert's accuracy didn't develop like Harbaugh wanted and he's soured on him or something but I think with a coach like Harbaugh, he thinks he can fix things in a quarterback and would not be shocked at all if he chose Gabbert.

          I'd basically say our pick will be either Patrick Peterson, Prince Amukamara, Von Miller, Robert Quinn, or Blaine Gabbert at this point. It's hard to envision all four of the defenders being gone but Gabbert could go as high as number one.

          Maybe either Marcell Dareus or Nick Fairley but I just think there are bigger needs. Not sure why there's talk on here about wasting a top 10 pick on a "space eater" like Dareus or Fairley. I mean we have Justin Smith on our team, not exactly a space eater. I'm sure the Patriots were plenty happy with their pick of a "space eater" like Richard Seymour in the top 10. Dareus and Fairley are each pass rush specialists in a 4-3 and would be expected to get pressure in the 3-4 as well. Fairley worries me in the transition to a 3-4 but Dareus, not so much.

          Also funny that Atogwe got that much. Rams fans weren't too sad to see him leave, most said he had one really good year and was average the rest. Way too much money for an above average 30 year old safety for a rebuilding team like the Redskins.

          edit: A little more on Gabbert.

          “If I’m telling you he’s a top-10 pick, I’m willing to put my butt on the line and say he’s a top-one pick,” Mike Mayock said. “I mean one’s part of 10. Bottom line to me, if I’m telling you a kid’s a top-10 pick, I believe in Blaine Gabbert. And you know me, and you know my belief about franchise quarterbacks. They trump every other need. If you don’t have those guys, you don’t win in this league. You just don’t.”

          http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/...-top-one-pick/
          Last edited by Arsenal; 03-04-2011, 02:44 PM.

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          • Originally posted by Brent View Post
            Why? I'm glad they didn't waste money on soon-to-be 30 year old safety.
            I dont think that Atogwe is a waste of money either way. He's a playmaking safety that we have needed for a very long time, an upgrade over all the safeties that we currently have, is consistent and mainly healthy throughout his career as he's only missed 8 games out of a possible 96. Thats pretty damn good. WSH gave him a 5 year/$26m contract which isnt a lot at all considering the fact that people here have said that Goldson wants $7m a year. Not only that but when the new CBA gets done, if UFA for players start at the end of a four year contract, Goldson would be an UFA which means that we would have Mays, Smith and Taylor as our safeties plus Smith is an UFA next year.

            I'm guessing that Atogwe's contract is backloaded which is what I would have done. He's still worth more than Goldson would be especially if he is still looking for $7m a year. And another thing, signing Atogwe would be bad because he's going to be 30 so going by that I assume that re-signing Baas and Spikes would be a waste of money too.

            I just dont see any negatives if we would have signed Atogwe. Can only help our secondary. Sure as hell, cant make it any worse than what it already is.

            Originally posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? View Post
            I just love that Dan Synder found a way to overpay a guy right before the lockout. It's like an alcoholic who goes on a bender the night before he goes to rehab.
            I dont think he was overpaid at all. If anything, it was about where I was expecting him to get from any team who really wanted him. If we end up paying Goldson $7m a year, now that will be overpaying a player.

            I just dont know why so many people here were against signing Atogwe especially when he's a playmaker which is what we need in the secondary. Oh well, if Goldson leaves, at least binary will be happy since Smith would most likely start at FS next season. Should be interesting to say the least.

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            • Originally posted by LizardState View Post
              Dan's Atogwe dreams just dissipated. Atogwe, as a former Stanford player, would probably have preferred coming back here to the Bay Area, but I understand completely his decision...... it's really really hard to ignore Dan Snyder's mega-millions.

              Speaking of mega-millions...


              Allow this Dallas fan to add 2 cents here -- the Cowboys don't have that much to give up, maybe WR Roy Williams, or former #1 pick 5-6 yrs back CB Terence Newman, who they're going to cut anyway b/c he's due lke $9M & no way Jerry pays up on that b/c he's regressed as bad or worse than Clements, hence the Dallas need at corner for Peterson = the same with the 9ers. And Dallas has OL problems just like SF, except with a much older underachieving OL, I can see them passing on a draft day trade, even though they've done more of them than any other team. Dallas is allegedly in love with USC OT Tyron Smith who had a great Combine & I can see them going for him vs. a CB, although they allegedly love Amakumara too, I'm just not buying it -- there's a big dropoff between PP & the next tier of CBs including Amaukamara, & Tyron Smith can play RT for the Cowboys right away although he was a LT at SC, Leonard Davis &/or Marc Colombo are rumored to be no better than backups or will be released soon b/c they're burned out, used up, so replacements are IMO required.

              Dallas like SF needs another C/OG, so I can see some maneuvering in the 2nd - 4th rds. between Dallas & the 9ers to land Wisniewski if he lasts that long, his versatility could easily boost him into the late 1st as playoff teams like Chicago & the Steelers are rumored to be going after interior linemen & there aren't that many good ones this yr. The Bears dumped Tommie Harris but this draft is chockablock with NFL-ready DTs.
              Again, I dont think $5.2m a season for a playmaking FS like Atogwe is overpaying him. If anything, thats less than what the Redskins would usually pay. For a team like SF who needs a playmaking FS, $5m a season for Atogwe would have been a steal especially when you add him to an already potential top ten defense.

              Roy Williams is due a $9.5m option bonus for 2011 plus his base salary is $5.1m+. No way in hell would any team acquire him via trade. As for Newman, he has an $8m base salary for 2011 but its not guaranteed and could always take a paycut to stay with the team. I dont see either being traded to any team unless they restructure their contract. And while Newman has regressed as a CB, could a move to FS be possible ala Rod Woodson? And Clements has regressed too, is old and costs more than Newman. UGH.

              Yeah, I have read on the Cowboys forum that a lot of you guys want Smith at 9 to play RT with Free to stay at LT. Your interior is worse than ours because not only is Kosier (ex-49er) an UFA but Gurode and Davis are older than who our starters are at C and RG. If the 49ers re-sign Baas (which im hoping they do), all they need to do is start Snyder at RG over Baas and my OL is set for 2011. I wouldnt mind drafting a future center and/or guard to replace them in a few seasons.

              If Peterson and Prince are somehow gone by 7, I would try to trade down into the late teens twice to get an extra second, third, two seconds or two thirds which I would then use to get back in the twenties of the first round. Having two first rounders, I would draft Pouncey and if still available DE Allen Bailey. Or even Wisniewski if possible. Of course, I would need a future C and RG so if both play the same position, I would go after Pouncey.

              I was really hoping Kalil (as was every other team) to hit the market and let Baas walk but oh well. The way its looking, my 49ers could be regressing badly in 2011 because they could lose their C on offense but defensively, could lose Franklin, Lawson, Spikes, Goldson and Clements if he's released. Add in Sopoaga, Brooks and Reggie Smith being UFA's in 2012 and we have some problems.

              Oh well, im just hoping the CBA gets done by next Friday so free agency can take place before the draft.

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              • Originally posted by Arsenal View Post
                I'm surprised no one mentions Blaine Gabbert on here more often. If we take any quarterback in the 1st round, I would say it's him. Don't say no because the value isn't right, he's 8th on Kiper's and he's 6th on McShay's big board. Don't say no because he's a spread quarterback, it's not the death sentence everyone makes it out to be as Sam Bradford showed just last year. Jim Harbaugh recruited Gabbert pretty heavily out of high school so he obviously liked his tools then. Maybe Gabbert's accuracy didn't develop like Harbaugh wanted and he's soured on him or something but I think with a coach like Harbaugh, he thinks he can fix things in a quarterback and would not be shocked at all if he chose Gabbert.

                I'd basically say our pick will be either Patrick Peterson, Prince Amukamara, Von Miller, Robert Quinn, or Blaine Gabbert at this point. It's hard to envision all four of the defenders being gone but Gabbert could go as high as number one.

                Maybe either Marcell Dareus or Nick Fairley but I just think there are bigger needs. Not sure why there's talk on here about wasting a top 10 pick on a "space eater" like Dareus or Fairley. I mean we have Justin Smith on our team, not exactly a space eater. I'm sure the Patriots were plenty happy with their pick of a "space eater" like Richard Seymour in the top 10. Dareus and Fairley are each pass rush specialists in a 4-3 and would be expected to get pressure in the 3-4 as well. Fairley worries me in the transition to a 3-4 but Dareus, not so much.

                Also funny that Atogwe got that much. Rams fans weren't too sad to see him leave, most said he had one really good year and was average the rest. Way too much money for an above average 30 year old safety for a rebuilding team like the Redskins.

                edit: A little more on Gabbert.

                ďIf Iím telling you heís a top-10 pick, Iím willing to put my butt on the line and say heís a top-one pick,Ē Mike Mayock said. ďI mean oneís part of 10. Bottom line to me, if Iím telling you a kidís a top-10 pick, I believe in Blaine Gabbert. And you know me, and you know my belief about franchise quarterbacks. They trump every other need. If you donít have those guys, you donít win in this league. You just donít.Ē

                http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/...-top-one-pick/
                The only QB I would draft at 7 would be Locker and thats after several other players would already be gone. And even then, its 50/50. I personally dont want to draft a QB at 7 period. The talent and upside of players at other positions are far more worthy of the 7th overall draft pick than any QB is.

                Rather have Dareus over Fairley but wouldnt draft either over my top four (Peterson, Green, Prince and Miller) and would have Bowers over both. I just dont think drafting a 3-4 DE is worth a top ten draft pick but thats just me.

                Why does everyone bash Atogwe? He was consistently good (something we dont have at safety), healthy and a playmaker. One good season? Are you kidding me? Funny how all fans of any team seem to bash a guy when he leaves no matter how he played. Atogwe reuniting with Haslett and being the veteran safety next to Landry is a good move for them. I'm not looking forward to seeing Mays and Smith as the starting safeties in 2011 but whatever.

                And just because Mayock believes in Gabbert doesnt mean Harbaugh does and years later, things change. Just because Harbaugh recruited Gabbert out of HS doesnt mean he still feels the same way or will see what he saw years ago. One thing is for sure, if Peterson, Prince, Miller or Green are still available at 7 and we draft a QB, im going to be pissed.

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                • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                  Badly. They need two starting safeties and a CB. Newman has declined and Jenkins is coming off a horrible season but Jenkins will only be 26 and still has two years left on his rookie deal. Like I told my friend who's a Cowboys fan, Jenkins regressed but at the same time, so did the entire team. Its not like DAL was awesome and he was the weak link. Every player on that team played bad. Besides, Jenkins is too young and talented to give up on in my opinion. Hell, I would take him for Clements in a heartbeat. If DAL was smart, they would move Newman to FS, draft Peterson or Prince to start opposite Jenkins and all they would need is a SS. Their secondary is worse than ours because they have no SS or FS.

                  So yeah, im worried they trade up with CLE to get Peterson. I'm just hoping that if they trade up with CLE to get Peterson (or Prince) that the other is still on the board at 7.
                  I see your point now,but still I hope one of them will be there. Either way i feel we will be in good shape draft-wise. even though PP would be perfect. Prolly shouldnt put all our eggs in a basket.
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                  • Dan, why the **** would you trade up for Allen Bailey? If we wanted a physical speciman that has no burst off the line, we would have just kept your favorite player, Kentwan Balmer. LOL.
                    The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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                    • Originally posted by Borat View Post
                      Dan, why the **** would you trade up for Allen Bailey? If we wanted a physical speciman that has no burst off the line, we would have just kept your favorite player, Kentwan Balmer. LOL.
                      I think he's a better prospect than Balmer was and unlike Balmer, Bailey's work ethic is far superior. And remember, DE's in a 3-4 are far different than DE's in a 4-3. In a 3-4, the DE's are mainly meant to engulf and contain the OL. Anything more is a bonus. DE's in the 4-3 are meant to be pass rushers and then play against the run. Huge difference in value between 3-4 DE's and 4-3 DE's.

                      Just because I suggested it doesnt mean I would do it. Honestly, im hoping he falls to us in the second round so he can replace Sopoaga since he'll be an UFA in 2012. Would only trade back into the first round if I wanted a player who wouldnt make it to us in the second and was worth trading up for. I listed Bailey as a suggestion. Whether or not I would actually trade back into the first round to draft him is 50/50 at best. It would be one of those things that I wouldnt make a decision on until that actual time.

                      I'm still hoping for Peterson or Prince at 7 so trying to trade down wouldnt happen unless both are gone as well as Green and Miller and probably Bowers too. If it was up to me and was able to trade down into the teens, I would most likely try to get one of the other CB's, mainly Brandon Harris and then trade back into the first round for OG Mike Pouncey. That would be my ideal scenario.

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                      • Dan, you are obsessed with free agents.

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                        • I don't like Brandon Harris either. Dan pick some better prospects lol.
                          The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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                          • Originally posted by Brent View Post
                            Dan, you are obsessed with free agents.
                            I'm not obsessed with all free agents. Only ones I think would be an upgrade over who we currently have. The only player that I want every year who's an UFA is T.O. but since he's my favorite player and an ex-49er, can you really blame me?

                            Originally posted by Borat View Post
                            I don't like Brandon Harris either. Dan pick some better prospects lol.
                            UGH. How about Jimmy Smith or Aaron Williams? Do you like either of them or do I still have to choose better prospects?

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                            • I like Aaron Williams

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                              • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post

                                UGH. How about Jimmy Smith or Aaron Williams? Do you like either of them or do I still have to choose better prospects?
                                Yep, I'm cool with both those. Well done.

                                After watching Michael Floyd rape Brandon Harris in the bowl game, I just can't stomach the thought of counting on him in the SF secondary. We need an impact DB and I just don't think Harris fits the bill.
                                The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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