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  • Originally posted by thediggler3030 View Post
    First Mock of the year, tell me what ya think!

    PS I've heard we will get a third 7th as a comp pick, so I included it!

    1. Patrick Peterson, LSU, CB
    2. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada, QB
    3. Chris Carter, Fresno St., OLB
    4. Kendrick Ellis, Hampton, NT
    4. Deunta Williams, UNC, FS
    5. Dwayne Harris, ECU, WR
    6. Richard Sherman, Stanford, CB
    6. Derek Hall, Stanford, OT
    7. Anthony Sherman, UConn., FB
    7. Nic Grigsby, Arizona, RB
    7. Mario Addison, Troy, OLB
    Other then CK is round two I dunno, I would rather have Ponder who seem to be getting more buzz for a WCO style then any one else or Dalton in the third.Either way I'll be fine as long as out QB is not Gabbert or Newton.All the other picks are nice specially PP going to be a blessingif we land him.The Safety pick I like as well, I wouldn't mind Black instead.Overall nice job. Two OLB tho ?

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    • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
      One longtime scout projects the top four draftable quarterbacks as Newton, Gabbert, TCU's Andy Dalton and Florida State's Christian Ponder. Considering the 49ers' desperate straits, it might be wise to use the seventh overall pick on any of those four.

      Hmmmm, use the 7th overall draft pick on any of these four???

      NO ******* WAY!!!!!

      If Baalke/Harbaugh drafts ANY QB at 7 with Peterson, Prince, Miller and Green available, im going to be one pissed off 49ers fan (as usual). If all four are gone, I try to trade down and acquire some extra draft picks but im pretty sure that at least one of the four will be on the board at 7, if not at least two or more.
      A.J. Green over Gabbert or Newton Dan?!?! Really, SMH. I think the more ludicrous part of Cam Inman's article is that advocates taking Ponder or Dalton at pick 7. Double SMH.

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      • Sorry WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? But I'm with Dan on this one here.If Green is the only on their at number 7 besides our other guys then we go DE unless Quinn is gone too.We still need a big guy at WR.Crabtree can't do it by him self ,think of it Green could work in the one spot and Crabs could turn into a great slot guy.With Green in their we could easily drop balls into or any where near and bam TD 95% of the time.Depending on how far we throw it ha.I still wouldn't take any QB at 7!!

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        • Originally posted by 49erNation85 View Post
          Other then CK is round two I dunno, I would rather have Ponder who seem to be getting more buzz for a WCO style then any one else or Dalton in the third.Either way I'll be fine as long as out QB is not Gabbert or Newton.All the other picks are nice specially PP going to be a blessingif we land him.The Safety pick I like as well, I wouldn't mind Black instead.Overall nice job. Two OLB tho ?
          I'm not willing to assume Ponder will be there at 45. This is a weak QB classes and he has had the best offseason by far. Kaepernick has huge upside. He is somewhat accurate, and is just as explosive as Newton. Give him a year or two to develop and he could be the franchise QB we need. I'm willing to roll the dice. I would rather have him than Dalton.

          I see nothing wrong with drafting two OLB's, not like we have done a great job of finding passrushers. I wouldn't be upset if we drafted 3 passrushers lol.

          I'm looking at the Williams pick like O'Brien Schoffield last year. He could be a great talent that is dropping cause of a late injury. I'm drafting the player and not the position with him. Black could be had MUCH later I think.

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          • The only issue I have with Kaepernick is his windup in a short offense game, especially if 3 step drops become a major part of the offensive scheme. If he can shorten his release, I'd be happy with him.

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            • Originally posted by Verloren View Post
              The only issue I have with Kaepernick is his windup in a short offense game, especially if 3 step drops become a major part of the offensive scheme. If he can shorten his release, I'd be happy with him.
              I hear ya, he isn't the perfect prospect. I think we need to realize we aren't in a good spot to find that "QB of the future" though.

              Gabbert and Newton might be gone by the time we select, and are just as risky, scheme and accuracy.

              Ponder, Mallett and Locker should be gone by 45, and also have their own flaws, durability and accuracy.

              I expect no matter who we select at QB this year, there will be things they need to work on.

              Overall though, I think Kaepernick brings the most bang for his buck, in the context of where we would select him and his upside vs. risk.

              Of course, if Ponder is "the guy," I have no issue with them trading up for him. I just hate mocking trades.
              Last edited by thediggler3030; 03-20-2011, 11:22 AM.

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              • What on the football field does Mallet really have besides mobliity?I would still take him over all the other QB in round two over others IMO.If he fail to us or trade up to begging like the NE spot or Buffalo.

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                • Originally posted by 49erNation85 View Post
                  What on the football field does Mallet really have besides mobliity?I would still take him over all the other QB in round two over others IMO.If he fail to us or trade up to begging like the NE spot or Buffalo.
                  Are you trying to say Mallett lacks mobility?

                  I wouldn't be disappointed with him, but its not just his mobility, its more that he falls apart when facing a passrush. There is a difference between lacking mobility and lacking pocket presence and poise when facing a stiff passrush.

                  I would rather have Kaepernick than Mallett.

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                  • Originally posted by thediggler3030 View Post
                    I would rather have Kaepernick than Mallett.
                    Agreed, if Harbaugh had a private workout with CK and not Mallett. obviously theres a reason or something he knows we dont.
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                    • OK I wasn't sure if it was pocket thing or mobility.But I think that would come in time too though in game experience or coaching etc.I think with the right staff Mallet could be the next Bleddsoe to our Montanan if we land him in round two.That is a big IF though to say the least possible though.The reason why I like Mallet is because of his drop back and ability to read defense and check downs already.He has that part of the game down already and arm strength is above average and so is accuracy.

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                      • Originally posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? View Post
                        A.J. Green over Gabbert or Newton Dan?!?! Really, SMH. I think the more ludicrous part of Cam Inman's article is that advocates taking Ponder or Dalton at pick 7. Double SMH.
                        HELL YEAH!!! Newton seems like Vince Young part two who was Michael Vick part two. Well, Falcons version of Vick. Plus, I can see that guy and his father causing problems. I dont want that guy period.

                        Gabbert is better and prefer him over Newton but I still wouldnt draft him at 7. None of these QB's are worth the 7th overall draft pick and personally, the longer the "lockout" lasts, the more reasons there are NOT to draft or trade for a QB because that guy wont have enough time to learn the system and I dont want the guy to be thrown in like Alex was back in 2005. He was rushed into the starting lineup. Dont want that to happen again.

                        Green is a far superior talent and athlete than those two QB's and would be a steal with the 7th overall draft pick. Is Green a need? NO. Would Green be a luxury? YES. I would draft Green if Peterson and Prince are gone. If Miller is there at 7 with Green, I try to trade down for someone who wants Green (WSH maybe?) and still try to get Miller while gaining an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder. If only Green is there at 7, I try to trade down in order to gain an extra 2nd or 3rd depending on the team that wants to move up to draft him but in no way, shape or form would I just give him away.

                        And in all honestly, I would have no problem drafting Green if the other three are gone because Crabtree is more of a possession receiver and could use a player like Green to push him to work harder since he wouldnt automatically be the number one WR. Worse case scenario, draft Green and trade Crabtree in a year if he doesnt improve. Would most likely gain a late first rounder for him and including our own first rounder in 2012, we would be able to trade up for a QB if needed.

                        As for QB, im still hoping to acquire Flynn for a 3rd and Josh Johnson for a 5th. Worse case scenario, I re-sign Alex for a year, let him play the entire year (unless he gets injured), re-build other positions like NT, OLB, CB, FS and RG and wait for a franchise QB in 2012. If anything, 2012 could be better because guys like Flynn, Kolb, Orton and Johnson will all be UFA's if they dont get traded this off-season. And none of them will be franchised in 2012 so the only way they dont hit the market in a year is if they re-sign with their current team. I can guarantee that Orton and Kolb would be 100% gone in a year while Flynn and Johnson are 50/50 but them two depends on if they want to be a starter/compete to be a starter or if they're content with being a backup in GB and TB respectively.

                        Hiring a new HC, OC and DC in an off season that could be eliminated or more likely very short isnt going to help us whatsoever. Add in the fact that it seems like we could lose Baas, Franklin, Lawson, Spikes, Goldson and possibly Clements and we're an average team at best with or with out a "franchise" QB because that guy isnt going to have enough time to make an impact for us in 2011 anyway.

                        And NO, I wouldnt trade away anything more than a 3rd rounder for Flynn or a 5th for Johnson. It would be a take it or leave it deal. As for Kolb, he sucks and isnt worth a third in my opinion let alone two second rounder or God forbid, a first rounder. I have seen that guy play and seen his stats. He's the overrated QB of 2011. No thanks to Kolb who thinks that he's better than what he is - an average couldnt even beat out an ex-con concussion prone QB period. Anything higher than a 3rd for Kolb, I will run a muck. And in no way, shape or form would I trade away my 7th overall draft pick for any QB this year whatsoever especially when Peterson, Prince, Green and even Miller easily surpass any QB that we would acquire via trade in regards to skill, talent, potential and upside.

                        Of course, this is just my own personal opinion.

                        Originally posted by 49erNation85 View Post
                        Sorry WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? But I'm with Dan on this one here.If Green is the only on their at number 7 besides our other guys then we go DE unless Quinn is gone too.We still need a big guy at WR.Crabtree can't do it by him self ,think of it Green could work in the one spot and Crabs could turn into a great slot guy.With Green in their we could easily drop balls into or any where near and bam TD 95% of the time.Depending on how far we throw it ha.I still wouldn't take any QB at 7!!
                        Quinn??? Hell no. Why anyone thinks he's worth a top ten draft pick after being out a year due to a suspension mind you and will be rusty, out of shape and condition especially with a short to limited to no off-season whatsoever is beyond me. We draft Quinn over Green, I will be pissed off.

                        Crabtree is definitely a starter but he's more of a possession receiver and doesnt have the work ethic thats required to be a number one receiver in SF. Rice had the best worth ethic of them all and love him or hate him, Owens was right behind him. If Crabtree cant follow them, he doesnt deserve to be the number one receiver plus Green would push him to work harder and with Morgan being an UFA in 2012, we could let him walk without having to worry about replacing him.

                        My top five for the draft are as follows -

                        1) CB Patrick Peterson
                        2) WR A.J. Green
                        3) CB Prince Amukamara
                        4) OLB Von Miller
                        5) QB Jake Locker

                        The first four are the ONLY players I would draft at 7. If all are gone, I try to trade down with a team who may want to jump in front of TEN if Dareus/Fairley fall to 7. Locker is the ONLY QB I would draft in the first round but even then, it would be after trading down at least twice to where he's drafted in the late teens at best.

                        I have Green second because I think he's the second best player in this damn draft but I would draft Prince over him because we need a CB more than we need a WR but if both CB's are gone, I would try to trade down with a team who could definitely use Green (WSH) but I wouldnt just give him away. I better be offered a damn good deal in return because if not, I draft Green myself and move on.

                        As for Miller, I think he'll go to ARZ but if he falls to us at 7 with Green there as well, I try to trade down with WSH because they need a WR badly and then draft Miller at 10. I wouldnt go past HOU though because if Miller drops to them and there's no Prince or PP, he'll most likely be their pick since they're going back to the 3-4 defense.

                        Of course, before the draft actually happens, im hoping that these morons get a deal done and there will at least be two weeks of free agency before the draft.

                        Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

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                        • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                          My top five for the draft are as follows -

                          1) CB Patrick Peterson
                          2) WR A.J. Green
                          3) CB Prince Amukamara
                          4) OLB Von Miller
                          5) QB Jake Locker

                          The first four are the ONLY players I would draft at 7.
                          You wouldnt take your 5th highest rated guy at 7? Then where are the two or more people you would select before him?

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                          • Originally posted by Brent View Post
                            You wouldnt take your 5th highest rated guy at 7? Then where are the two or more people you would select before him?
                            He's the 5th player on my wants list but I still wouldnt draft him at 7 because I dont think any QB is worth the 7th overall draft pick. I would try to trade down because I know that I could most likely still get Locker in the teens or twenties while still getting extra draft picks.

                            As for the other two players I would maybe draft would be Bowers and Dareus but dont really care for either one to be honest with you.

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                            • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                              He's the 5th player on my wants list but I still wouldnt draft him at 7 because I dont think any QB is worth the 7th overall draft pick. I would try to trade down because I know that I could most likely still get Locker in the teens or twenties while still getting extra draft picks.

                              As for the other two players I would maybe draft would be Bowers and Dareus but dont really care for either one to be honest with you.
                              But...

                              What if Peterson, Amukamara, Miller, and Green are all gone by 7 - and nobody wants to trade (parting with picks without a CBA doesn't seem like a good idea right now)?

                              Bowers is likely just a 4-3 end, Dareus on the other hand would be an elite 3-4 lineman, so that one makes sense.
                              Originally posted by Babylon
                              It's called Karma for all the years with Montana and Young.

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                              • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                                He's the 5th player on my wants list but I still wouldnt draft him at 7 because I dont think any QB is worth the 7th overall draft pick. I would try to trade down because I know that I could most likely still get Locker in the teens or twenties while still getting extra draft picks.
                                Teams don't trade down, teams trade up. If no team is willing to move up, what do you do? Take someone you don't rate as high? I just want to understand your logic on this, Dan.

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