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  • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
    But he also doesn't consider Quinn as a potential 3-4 OLB.

    I agree with the growing assesment that Mayock both has difficulty with and doesn't like projecting 4-3 DE's to 3-4 OLB.
    Plus take into account that both Lawson and Haralson were 4-3 DE's in college and how well has that worked out? Why try the same thing yet again?

    Originally posted by Madirishman View Post
    I'm still hoping Peterson will fall but I can easily see him transitioning and being an All-Pro FS in a few years; perhaps like a bigger version of Antrel Rolle.

    Prince does appear to be the second best CB available and has more the prototype size to play CB, however the big knock on him (which Mayock and others have noted) is that he didn't play his best games against elite competition, getting burned on a handful of occasions by NFL-caliber WR talent. Some evaluators think he actually is the best CB in the Draft. Quinn has great pass rushing skills, but him being a 4/3 DE is probably an ideal scenario. Him as a 3/4 OLB is risky (See: Lawson, Manny) as he is a great athlete but questions remain if he will be able to drop and cover in space.

    It's a tough call between Quinn and Prince at 7, but I would lean toward Prince at this point, as I feel that the risk is less and there is overall less depth at the position later in the draft; a position that the Niners need to invest a couple of this year's draft picks in IMO.

    If they do pass on a CB in the first round, then I would like them to target CB Brandon Harris (Miami) in the second. He apparently has a bit of a 'tude but he competes for the ball, has great balance and showed arguable the best mobility/footwork at the combine. Other players from "the U" have had attitudes as well coming out, but many have been hits because they are just passionate about the game.
    I would easily draft Prince over Quinn. I dont even have to think about it. Personally, I have CB, NT, RG, DE and even ILB ahead of OLB because it appears that we would draft a 4-3 college DE and hope that he can make the transition to be a dominant pass rusher as an OLB in the 3-4. Based on Lawson and Haralson, I wouldnt hold my breath.

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    • In general, im still hoping Peterson falls to 7 which I think is a possibility unless a team trades up to get him. Prince reaching 7 is almost a guarantee. So, even if I couldnt get Peterson, I would definitely draft Prince at 7 over everyone else. If both CB's are gone, Green would be next on my list. If he's gone too, I try to trade down and get an extra draft pick.

      My ideal scenario if Peterson/Prince/Green are gone by 7 would be to trade down twice, draft Pouncey to play RG and then trade back into the first round for a CB or NT. Plus, I would still have a second and third rounder or two thirds.

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      • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
        Plus take into account that both Lawson and Haralson were 4-3 DE's in college and how well has that worked out? Why try the same thing yet again?.
        I read your previous post, and we seem to essentially agree - I still have Prince at #2 on my board.

        However, because Lawson and Haralson have failed does not mean it can't be done successfully. You can't pigeon hole an organization or a position group like that Dan.

        The guys that would be coaching Quinn, are first time 49er coaches - they have nothing to do with the failed transitions of previous years. Are you telling me Dick Lebeau is the only guy that can do this?

        I know you like traditions and you rarely look past them, but not only is it possible to convert these guys to linebacker - it's really not that much different than what they were doing before.

        In Manusky's scheme? Yeah, pretty difficult. But in Dom Caper's scheme (Fangio's for us)? Not so much. Frank Zombo, got a sack in the super bowl, played a lot of 3-4 linebacker for the Packers this year with all of the injuries - Graduated from Central Michigan University where he was a hard working, blue collar, high motor defensive end - but not a world beater, and that's in the MAC.

        Robert Quinn would rush the passer, just like he did at DE 75-80% of the time. I dont think that conversion is too difficult. Now, this does mean there's a higher priority on corners, like Amukamara (C. Woodson) so you have the ability to send these guys. Which, like i stated before, a good cover guy, in this scheme allows you to send a lot of folks, and I think our guys can do that - so do you.

        But because our franchise has failed with Haralson and Lawson in converting them to linebackers has NO bearing on whether or not Robert Quinn would be successful in the bay area. You understand that right?
        Originally posted by Babylon
        It's called Karma for all the years with Montana and Young.

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        • http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post...patrick-willis

          More Willis love ^
          Originally posted by Babylon
          It's called Karma for all the years with Montana and Young.

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          • I understand that king but I still wouldnt draft yet another 4-3 DE and hope he can make the transition to a 3-4 OLB especially Quinn since by the time the season starts, it'll be almost 20 months since he last played. To me, thats way too much of a risk and a gamble. Granted, every player is 50/50 but I would much rather play percentages and draft Prince instead of Quinn because he has a better chance of being a franchise CB for us.

            As for GB, they got very lucky two years ago wen they were able to draft Raji and Matthews in the first round. They basically got their franchise NT and franchise pass rushing OLB in one day. We've been looking for that OLB for six years and are still looking. We had our NT for the last two years and will need to find another one.

            Unlike PIT, BAL, NE, DAL, GB and even the Jets, we havent been as lucky or as fortunate in regards to building a damn good 3-4 defense which is why I wish they would have gone back to the 4-3. We have more needs in the 3-4 compared to the 4-3. CB is a huge need either way and I value CB more than I do OLB. Personally, I have CB, NT, RG, DE, FS and even ILB before OLB because every player that we would draft to be an OLB in the 3-4 would have to make the transition from DE and I just dont like the percentages of that being a success.

            Now, if we were running a 4-3 and needed a pass rushing DE and both CB's were gone, I might consider Quinn but since that's not the case, its mute.

            Oh well, 16 more days to go until we find out. :)

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            • we need a freakin' pass rusher, i'm not too concerned about the 4-3/3-4 stuff when it comes to Quinn, the guy is plenty athletic.

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              • If the Niners are nervous about the risk/reward on taking Quinn at 7, then there seems to be guys at the 3/4 OLB position they could look to target in each round, especially if they want to roll the dice. Many of the guys on this list have multiple years starting and are team captains.

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                • SO has the 49ers worked out any more QB yet before the draft?I'm still hoping for Locker,Mallet or Ponder my top 3 guys.

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                  • Originally posted by binary
                    we need a freakin' pass rusher, i'm not too concerned about the 4-3/3-4 stuff when it comes to Quinn, the guy is plenty athletic.
                    Lawson is athletic too and most here dont want to retain him. I personally dont see the difference between him and Quinn. I would only draft Quinn as a last resort/only option kind of thing.

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                    • Originally posted by 49erNation85 View Post
                      SO has the 49ers worked out any more QB yet before the draft?I'm still hoping for Locker,Mallet or Ponder my top 3 guys.
                      Locker - Only interested if Harbaugh thinks he can fix his accuracy issues.

                      Mallet- Sucked under pressure, attitude ?'s, maybe if he's still around in the 7th as a gamble. Emotionally unstable i.e. Ryan Leaf.

                      Ponder-Would like in the late first or second rnd.

                      Curious what QB they are going to pick and I'm sure that Harbaugh has his guy picked out. Still think 2011, if and when the season starts, we will not have a rookie starting at QB.

                      Starting to think that we might sign Alex Smith, which I am not opposed to based on options that are out there. The kid is just 26 years old still and would like to see how Harbaugh would use him.

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                      • Originally posted by 49erNation85 View Post
                        SO has the 49ers worked out any more QB yet before the draft?I'm still hoping for Locker,Mallet or Ponder my top 3 guys.
                        From what I've been reading I'm guessing that you guys have to suffer through alex smith for another year and then harbaugh is praying to get luck next year. Personally I think that would be best for your team

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                        • We better not have to suffer another horrible season.Though if they would have plaid A.Smith the whole year we might of won more games and made it.I'm kind with you guys on picking some one like Ponder , Dalton or Stanzi and groom them while Smith gets another to chance to see if he is good under a new coaching staff.Sadly with out FA we can't go and get another vet.

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                          • Dan, if teams stopped drafting 4-3 DE's to play 3-4 OLB there wouldn't be many 3-4 OLB's.

                            The position they played in college has almost NOTHING to do with their physical attributes and how that translates to the NFL level.

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                            • Hey guys...Texans fan here....I signed up for a forum mock and picked the 49ers...so far this is who I have taken..

                              1. Prince Amukamura, CB, Nebraska
                              2. Christian Ponder, QB, Florida St

                              What do you think of the first 2 picks? Who do you guys like in rds 3 and later? What are your target needs?

                              Thanks

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                              • Originally posted by Dunta_23 View Post
                                Hey guys...Texans fan here....I signed up for a forum mock and picked the 49ers...so far this is who I have taken..

                                1. Prince Amukamura, CB, Nebraska
                                2. Christian Ponder, QB, Florida St

                                What do you think of the first 2 picks? Who do you guys like in rds 3 and later? What are your target needs?

                                Thanks
                                Highly acceptable selections. Of course I don't know who was available.

                                Your number one priority will be to address a rush linebacker for our 3-4 scheme.

                                CB, QB, and OLB are the biggest needs.

                                Following that you should possibly address NT, RB, OG, another CB, S, perhaps another QB, TE, DE, etc. Use your best judgment and browse the various comments from 49ers fans in this and the mock draft forum.

                                Good luck.

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