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  • Originally posted by 49ersfan_87 View Post

    The Culliver pick is one i'm down on. Feels like Reggie Smith all over again. He does have some interesting tools though, so who knows.
    My take on the Culliver pick is that he is our version of Prince. If you compare Amarakura's and Culliver's Combine numbers they're almost identical(Culliver had the faster 40, 10 yard split, Prince a better broad jump). But Culliver, has added value as a kick returner. Now Culliver only played CB his senior year. He played FS and WR before that. He is a project but he has the elite physical gifts with which to work from. You don't draft prospects for who they are now but for what they can become. He has the same physical gifts and athleticism as a guy who was supposed to be a top 10 pick. During Baalke's post game presser, he stated we worked out Culliver before the draft. Im sure they were impressed with what they saw. He doesn't have the same film as Prince but that's where the coaching comes in. Baalke is banking on Donatell to turn him into Prince. Baalke also said he would be in competition right away for the nickelback position. It's a apparent they see something in Culliver that they like. Just my 2 cents...

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    • Originally posted by VAfy-ya View Post
      My take on the Culliver pick is that he is our version of Prince. If you compare Amarakura's and Culliver's Combine numbers they're almost identical(Culliver had the faster 40, 10 yard split, Prince a better broad jump). But Culliver, has added value as a kick returner. Now Culliver only played CB his senior year. He played FS and WR before that. He is a project but he has the elite physical gifts with which to work from. You don't draft prospects for who they are now but for what they can become. He has the same physical gifts and athleticism as a guy who was supposed to be a top 10 pick. During Baalke's post game presser, he stated we worked out Culliver before the draft. Im sure they were impressed with what they saw. He doesn't have the same film as Prince but that's where the coaching comes in. Baalke is banking on Donatell to turn him into Prince. Baalke also said he would be in competition right away for the nickelback position. It's a apparent they see something in Culliver that they like. Just my 2 cents...
      Get your rationality out of here, can't you see that's not alllowed?

      ;)

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      • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post

        The CK pick is a wait and see what happens kind of thing. I just hope that if he doesnt start week one in 2011, they dont throw him in mid-season like they did with Alex back in 2005. Either you start week one or take at least a year before starting him. I hate that in the middle of the season crap.
        I can say without hesitation that its slim to none that CK sees the field his rookie season. He's not WCO ready, and needs to hone his mechanics and footwork to be effective enough to run this offense. And with the shortened off-season, it just doesn't look good for him to see significant minutes this year. Sure anything is possible, but him seeing the field this year would mean we have nothing to play for as the season wears on.....not good. Harbaugh wants to win now and that's one of the reason he was adamant about Alex returning. I know that doesn't make sense for some....winning and Alex in the same sentence, but Harbaugh has a legitimate point.

        Here's a great read on CK, Alex and the prospects of both next season...
        http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/...-in-the-draft/
        Last edited by VAfy-ya; 05-03-2011, 03:45 PM.

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        • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
          Get your rationality out of here, can't you see that's not alllowed?

          ;)
          LOL! I do apologize, forgive me sir...

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          • The guys Im really interested to see are Jones, Johnson, and Miller. Miller because when I watched him at the Combine, he had the best feet of all the DL/LB I saw. In the backpedal drill, he defintely had the smoothest transition and I was surprised by how well his hips were. All this tells me he definitely has some ability to be a FB. Everyone wanted us to take Marecic, but Miller is stronger, faster, and more athletic if you look at their agility numbers. It will be interesting to see if he can make the conversion.

            I want to see Johnson because he has all the tools to push Morgan as the #2 WR. As much as like Morgan, he is inconsistent and has mental laspes at the most inopportune time. Sing and Sullivan loved the guy but I want to see what a new pair of eyes sees. And he can also give us a viable guy in the slot as opposed to Ginn's brick hands. I still have high hopes for Kyle Williams. Eager to see if he can stay healthy next year and gets to show his stuff. I understand we will move Crabs to the slot....alot. But Johnson gives us a guy I think is very capable there, as well as on the outside. He gives us alot of options.

            Jones intrigues me because he is looked at as a ST guy but the way our secondary has looked, he could bring some added speed to our nickel and dime packages. Great triangle numbers and could surprise ppl if he puts in the work and develops. He sure was impressive in TCU's bowl game. But lack of production at the college level could mean he is just another body on STs.

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            • I think that we can throw away the depth chart that we are used to. With a completely new coaching staff, there are no more coach favorites on both sides of the ball.

              There are players that have been on the team for a few years now that probably will get cut. I just can't wait to see some guys in there playing who deserve more than their starters.

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              • Originally posted by edgrenade View Post
                I just can't wait to see some guys in there playing who deserve more than their starters.
                Like who?

                Excluding Rachal because everyone knows he shouldnt be a starter.

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                • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                  Like who?

                  Excluding Rachal because everyone knows he shouldnt be a starter.
                  Yes, Rachal is one, but the OLBs, DBs, and maybe Josh Morgan.

                  What I am trying to say is that with a completely new coaching staff, no one's job is safe

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                  • Crabtree had better man up for one. I'd love to hear a report of a CK fastball splitting his head open the first time he goes on a shopping spree when he should be hitting his play book. Sissy should be in an mma camp right now, not
                    DKNY.

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                    • So does any know if the team has started mini camps or just private work outs yet?It sucks that the rookies are gonna have a hard time trying to get practices in still.I still can't wait and see who is going to be starting for us sadly most likely Smith.But maybe the new staff can get to man up.

                      I'm also excitied to see what our new play book on offense play book is gonna be like hopefully it opens the ball down field etc.I haven't been around the net much since moving to MT Rainer.

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                      • no teams are allowed to hold camps or practice of any kind.

                        some players like Larry Fitzgerald are running their own camps though

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                        • Something else about the Culliver pick I wanted to add. This pick reminds me alot of Holmgren's TJ Ward pick from a year ago. A guy who was looked at as a big reach, who alot scouts had major concerns about at the next level. Ward went on to have a pretty solid rookie year for the Browns so it just goes to show that if you like a player's fit in your scheme, you take him even though the value may not be there.

                          My only real surprise with the pick is that Harbaalke said they saw him as a slot DB. I understand he's fast and super athletic, but he's also a big DB and a willing tackler who could excel on the outside. Now maybe they were saying that as a means to bring him along slowly, but I wouldn't rule against the kid on the outside. The guy played FS for two years and had no problem coming up being aggressive and making hits and breaking on the ball. Interesting to see if he ultimately moves to safety, ala Reggie Smith. Though I NEVER saw Reggie Smith as a viable option as a CB at the pro level.
                          Last edited by VAfy-ya; 05-06-2011, 05:08 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by VAfy-ya View Post
                            Something else about the Culliver pick I wanted to add. This pick reminds me alot of Holmgren's TJ Ward pick from a year ago. A guy who was looked at as a big reach, who alot scouts had major concerns about at the next level. Ward went on to have a pretty solid rookie year for the Browns so it just goes to show that if you like a player's fit in your scheme, you take him even though the value may not be there.

                            My only real surprise with the pick is that Harbaalke said they saw him as a slot DB. I understand he's fast and super athletic, but he's also a big DB and a willing tackler who could excel on the outside. Now maybe they were saying that as a means to bring him along slowly, but I wouldn't rule against the kid on the outside. The guy played FS for two years and had no problem coming up being aggressive and making hits and breaking on the ball. Interesting to see if he ultimately moves to safety, ala Reggie Smith. Though I NEVER saw Reggie Smith as a viable option as CB at the pro level.
                            Good stuff. Your last few posts on Culliver make me feel a bit better about him lol. Besides the Ward comparison, it kind of reminds me of Sam Shields- he put up some good numbers at the combine or his pro-day, can't remember which, and he was coached up by Dom Capers and Joe Whitt Jr. Fangio is a Capers disicple and Donatell has a good track record as a Secondary coach so best-case scenario maybe they can get a Sam Shields type impact out of Culliver.
                            Last edited by 49ersfan_87; 05-06-2011, 04:11 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by VAfy-ya View Post
                              Something else about the Culliver pick I wanted to add. This pick reminds me alot of Holmgren's TJ Ward pick from a year ago. A guy who was looked at as a big reach, who alot scouts had major concerns about at the next level. Ward went on to have a pretty solid rookie year for the Browns so it just goes to show that if you like a player's fit in your scheme, you take him even though the value may not be there.

                              My only real surprise with the pick is that Harbaalke said they saw him as a slot DB. I understand he's fast and super athletic, but he's also a big DB and a willing tackler who could excel on the outside. Now maybe they were saying that as a means to bring him along slowly, but I wouldn't rule against the kid on the outside. The guy played FS for two years and had no problem coming up being aggressive and making hits and breaking on the ball. Interesting to see if he ultimately moves to safety, ala Reggie Smith. Though I NEVER saw Reggie Smith as a viable option as CB at the pro level.
                              Just the quickest way to get him on the field. Could he win a job on the outside this year? Sure, I don't see why not - but it's almost a guarantee to say he'll be on the field as the 3rd corner from day 1.

                              The only way this changes is if we go grab a corner in FA, but even then I still see him in the nickel.
                              Originally posted by Babylon
                              It's called Karma for all the years with Montana and Young.

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                              • Originally posted by 49ersfan_87 View Post
                                Good stuff. Your last few posts on Culliver make me feel a bit better about him lol. Besides the Ward comparison, it kind of reminds me of Sam Shields- he put up some good numbers at the combine or his pro-day, can't remember which, and he was coached up by Dom Capers and Joe Whitt Jr. Fangio is a Capers disicple and Donatell has a good track record as a Secondary coach so best-case scenario maybe they can get a Sam Shields type impact out of Culliver.
                                SMH.....I really REALLY wanted Sam Shields last year. He was much like Culliver. Came to college as a heralded prep WR and switched to defense so he was raw heading into the pro ranks. But he was so athletic and and had insane recovery speed and short-area quickness. Smooth, fluid hips. But teams were scared because he wasn't very physical and lacked instincts, especially off the ball. But he was the perfect slot gut to me....Dre Bly 2.0....bigger, faster, stronger. Signs on as a UDFA with the Packers and they turn him into one of the better nickelbacks in the league.....and the rich get richer. And Im afraid the same is going to happen with Rashad Carmichael this year. He's not as big as we like our CB's but almost perfect fit over the slot. Has great technique, stays low in his beckpedal and the best hips in this year's draft class. Another guy I think will fill a huge role for a team as a rookie. But back to our own players....

                                I will give Baalke credit as I think he found a diamond in the rough in Phillip Adams. That kid has above average instincts and quickness. Great burst to the ball and just looks like he "gets it". If you were looking at his triangle numbers you wouldn't think much was there but from the little I saw of him last year, I was impressed. Suffered that horrific broken ankle though. Dont really know what's going on with that and how's he's recovering but I hope he makes it back on the field soon because the kid has some real promise.

                                And king2am, you right. Probably just the easiest way to get him on the field without throwing too much info onto a young kid still learning his way. I just can't wait to see what Donatell can do with these guys. I respect him as coach and I think he will get more out of the unit than Vance Joseph and Johnnie Lynn ever did.

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