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  • You can see the zone they are playing.

    The play.

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/st-louis-r...sack-7-yd-loss

    Goodwin and Snyder got abused on the stunt. Snyder's feet end up due south 7 yards from the LOS.

    They send nobody at Potty cause he is a beast.

    Anthony Davis blocks nobody.

    Same old. Same old.

    Smith was guessing the 1 safety was gonna key on Crab and he was right.
    The other safety is who he needed to manipulate. He looks to of done a decent job of playing both Vernon and Swain.

    With the UTTER FAIL of the protection Smith had little chance to make a play.
    Rams had 7 guys around the field patrolling.
    We had pass 3 options + 1 when Dixon leaked out after a fake and delay.

    An INT due to going Full Favre leaves the Rams in really good position with 3:40 and 2 Timeouts.

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    • Alex Smith was sacked 44 times, the most times in the NFL. The 9ers also were 30th in passes attempted. Ouch.

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      • Originally posted by hawkeye123 View Post
        Alex Smith was sacked 44 times, the most times in the NFL. The 9ers also were 30th in passes attempted. Ouch.
        Weird breaking down the sack distributions through the weeks. The Arizona and Baltimore games were brutal to watch.

        Weeks 1-3 (3 games): 11 sacks
        Weeks 4-11 (7 games): 10 sacks
        Weeks 12-14 (3 games): 18 sacks
        Weeks 15-17 (3 games): 5 sacks

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        • Originally posted by ViperVisor View Post
          You can see the zone they are playing.

          The play.

          http://www.nfl.com/videos/st-louis-r...sack-7-yd-loss

          Goodwin and Snyder got abused on the stunt. Snyder's feet end up due south 7 yards from the LOS.

          They send nobody at Potty cause he is a beast.

          Anthony Davis blocks nobody.

          Same old. Same old.

          Smith was guessing the 1 safety was gonna key on Crab and he was right.
          The other safety is who he needed to manipulate. He looks to of done a decent job of playing both Vernon and Swain.

          With the UTTER FAIL of the protection Smith had little chance to make a play.
          Rams had 7 guys around the field patrolling.
          We had pass 3 options + 1 when Dixon leaked out after a fake and delay.

          An INT due to going Full Favre leaves the Rams in really good position with 3:40 and 2 Timeouts.
          Well Anthony Davis can't anticipate Smith's rollouts. When Smith leaves the pocket the pass protection is up in the air. Smith should have stood in the face of the rush and threw the ball. Goodwin wasn't blocking that great on the play, but not every single linemen is going to stonewall every defender on every play. Like I said earlier he was going to pull the trigger, but he hesitated and started rolling out to his right because he got scared.

          The other safety was playing Vernon Davis, but he wasn't going to get to Davis in time if the ball is thrown to him accurately. Davis was still open in the zone for a completion. An accurate quarterback with good decision making makes that throw and probably completes it.

          Alex doesn't have the greatest offensive line, but some of the best quarterbacks in NFL history didn't have All Pro lines year after year. And it's not like he's going through what Archie Manning did or whatever. If Alex needs everything to work for him PERFECTLY on every down, he's not going to be a good quarterback. Good quarterbacks make something out of nothing.

          And if you are going to take a sack, you should probably stay in the pocket on that play. Rolling out right to try and make a play has failed for Smith 90% of the time in his career. It's just not a strong part of his game.

          Hopefully next year, Alex plays better in terms of his decision making. Hopefully the line also plays better.
          Last edited by Ness; 01-04-2012, 04:13 AM.

          "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
          -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
          Originally posted by Borat
          Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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          • Originally posted by Ness View Post
            Greg Cossell talking **** again. Apparently the 49ers are pretenders. I really hate this guy.



            http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/02/c...ng-pretending/
            And the second fewest third down passes.
            And yet you want to blame Smith for the problems on third down?

            As for the sack he took against the Rams you can clearly see what happened in the video. Davis was the first read and he wasn't open because the linebacker dropped back into a zone right in front of him. Smith saw that and quickly looked at Swain and Crabtree and saw that neither was open. By the time Davis cleared the linebacker and got open Smith was already running away from the pressure
            Last edited by abaddon41_80; 01-04-2012, 10:01 AM.

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            • I"m happy Alex took that sack. Would've been dumb to do otherwise.

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              • Originally posted by Ness View Post
                Here it is. Michael Crabtree was doubled on the other side. Swain was left in one on one coverage on that play. Vernon Davis was open in a zone and Smith could have darted it to him.



                Instead, this is what happened:



                I think I would have taken the one on one coverage with Swain or tried to dart it to Vernon Davis. Alex looked he was going to pull the trigger to Vernon, but when he got pressured he panicked and rolled to his right for a sack.
                That's excatly what you don't do. The smart play is to take the sack. Not to try and place the ball over a dropping LB and in front of a ball-hawking safety. Your asking for something bad to happen. That's why he hesitated.....he knew it wasn't worth the gamble. That's not a routine throw. Requires the right amount of touch but has to have enough velocity to get it there quickly. If the LB gets enough depth and quickly gets a hand up, thats a batted ball up for grabs. If the safety closes quickly and meets VD just as the ball is arriving, could be another potential tipped ball or a incompletion which stops the clock. And you defintely don't throw the ball up to our 4th string WR in a one-on-one situation. Again, your asking for something bad to happen. He did the right thing. Take the sack, burn some clock. Let our defense(which is the strength of the team as you have pointed out) close it out. Maybe if we were down a score, you'd have a point but trying to preserve a lead late in the 4th quarter, you dont just toss up passes, hoping guys make plays on the ball. Every time Alex does that, it seems his receivers fail him, more often than not. So like I said.....show me a receiver running free? You can't because there wasn't one. This clearly illustrates that fact.
                Last edited by VAfy-ya; 01-04-2012, 09:59 AM.

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                • This is why the NFL needs to release the all 22 film. It always feels like we are breaking down the Zapruder film with the screen shots.

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                  • Crap!!! Just read on PFT that Greg Roman is interested in the head coaching position at Penn State. This sucks.

                    Every time we have some continuity and consistency, it goes down the drain. Hope Roman stays with Harbaugh.

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                    • Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
                      And yet you want to blame Smith for the problems on third down?

                      As for the sack he took against the Rams you can clearly see what happened in the video. Davis was the first read and he wasn't open because the linebacker dropped back into a zone right in front of him. Smith saw that and quickly looked at Swain and Crabtree and saw that neither was open. By the time Davis cleared the linebacker and got open Smith was already running away from the pressure
                      Smith is a part of the problem on third down when they pass, yes. I don't have the numbers in front of me when he does pass on third down, but I'm willing to be they aren't that great.

                      Vernon Davis initially ran a post route. The linebacker wouldn't have had the leverage to make a play. And the safety dropping down was too far off and wouldn't have made it in time if Alex gunned it when he was supposed to. He was going to throw, then put his hand down because Goodwin backed into him.

                      "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                      -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                      Originally posted by Borat
                      Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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                      • Originally posted by VAfy-ya View Post
                        That's excatly what you don't do. The smart play is to take the sack. Not to try and place the ball over a dropping LB and in front of a ball-hawking safety. Your asking for something bad to happen. That's why he hesitated.....he knew it wasn't worth the gamble. That's not a routine throw. Requires the right amount of touch but has to have enough velocity to get it there quickly. If the LB gets enough depth and quickly gets a hand up, thats a batted ball up for grabs. If the safety closes quickly and meets VD just as the ball is arriving, could be another potential tipped ball or a incompletion which stops the clock. And you defintely don't throw the ball up to our 4th string WR in a one-on-one situation. Again, your asking for something bad to happen. He did the right thing. Take the sack, burn some clock. Let our defense(which is the strength of the team as you have pointed out) close it out. Maybe if we were down a score, you'd have a point but trying to preserve a lead late in the 4th quarter, you dont just toss up passes, hoping guys make plays on the ball. Every time Alex does that, it seems his receivers fail him, more often than not. So like I said.....show me a receiver running free? You can't because there wasn't one. This clearly illustrates that fact.
                        See post above.

                        "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                        -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                        Originally posted by Borat
                        Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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                        • Originally posted by Ness View Post
                          See post above.
                          So, AGAIN.....if your saying Goodwin backed into him, then your admitting that the window of opportunity to make that throw closed, correct? Which means, AGAIN there was no receiver running free that would have been a sure pitch and catch, correct? Im not trying to give you hard time Ness, honestly. I just would like to know what your defintion of "running free" is because to me it means a wide open receiver. And there were no wide open receivers on that play.

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                          • Originally posted by VAfy-ya View Post
                            So, AGAIN.....if your saying Goodwin backed into him, then your admitting that the window of opportunity to make that throw closed, correct? Which means, AGAIN there was no receiver running free that would have been a sure pitch and catch, correct? Im not trying to give you hard time Ness, honestly. I just would like to know what your defintion of "running free" is because to me it means a wide open receiver. And there were no wide open receivers on that play.
                            I disagree. I think Davis was wide open for an instant. And it looked like Smith was going to gun it to him, but then hesitated and ran right. I think he should have made the throw in the face of the rush.

                            Maybe he thought the defender plowing Goodwin would have knocked it down or something. That's a possibility.

                            "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                            -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                            Originally posted by Borat
                            Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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                            • Originally posted by Ness View Post
                              I disagree. I think Davis was wide open for an instant. And it looked like Smith was going to gun it to him, but then hesitated and ran right. I think he should have made the throw in the face of the rush.

                              Maybe he thought the defender plowing Goodwin would have knocked it down or something. That's a possibility.
                              Fair enough I guess. I have to wait and review the play later but NO, I dont want him making that throw in the face of the rush. That's what the old Alex would have done and something bad would have probably happened. Then you'd probably be in here saying Alex should have taken better care of the ball and he cost us the game with yet another bad throw. And even if Davis was open for instant, it still wasnt a safe throw IMO, which is why he hesitated. Its not like he was sitting in the zone, waving Alex down because he was uncovered.

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                              • I remember a certain poster who blamed Alex for dropped balls because he threw a "laser" and they're too hard to catch. I digress.


                                Originally posted by Ness View Post
                                Davis was wide open for an instant.
                                Originally posted by Ness View Post
                                if Alex gunned it
                                So Ness...

                                Alex would've had to "gun it" to Vernon Davis in the "instant" that he was open???

                                So he'd have to throw a perfectly accurate ball at an extremely high velocity, into a small window of space only open for a small amount of time???

                                Yep, sounds like it was simple, and clearly his fault for taking the sack.
                                Last edited by phlysac; 01-04-2012, 05:04 PM.

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