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  • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
    Yes, we can blame you. I don't know why you have a hard-on for ancient players who are either unhealthy (Owens) or lost most of his speed and did NOTHING for 3 separate teams the last season he played (Moss.)

    I agree that WR needs to be upgraded, and NEEDED to be upgraded before the playoffs. However, there are lesser-known players that can offer more than these "has-beens" with name-recognition.

    Dan Snyder played this game for over a decade. There's a reason the Redskins have sucked. And it's not for the owner's willingness to pay old, washed-up players to come to his team.
    Fine, go ahead and blame me. I dont know why people have a softie just because they dont like Owens/Moss for whatever reason. Who gives a damn as long as he gives you an added chance to win a SB?

    As for Owens not being healthy and Moss losing his speed, what does either have to do with just bringing them in for a workout and meeting? And yeah, I was hoping that they would have signed either or both but it was just for the playoff run. I dont want or care about either now. I just wanted to see SF sign a WR who might at the very least be a damn good decoy and open things up for everyone else which would have been a lot better than what we saw in the playoffs.

    Lesser known players??? What lesser known players were available back in December who were better or whatever compared to Owens/Moss? Wait, I got one...Joe Hastings. Yep, that guy was awesome for us.

    As for NOW, 2012, I want DeSean Jackson, Mike Wallace, Dwayne Bowe, Vincent Jackson and Pierre Garcon in that order. DeSean Jackson and Bowe will most likely be franchised. Wallace is an RFA. That leave Vincent Jackson (who the Rams are heavily rumored to want to go after) and Garcon who could still re-sign with the Colts.

    Add in the fact that if the Cardinals sign Manning which is a definite possibility, they become a huge threat. And thats even if Manning's arm strength is only 50%.

    I just look at it this way - 2011 was a great chance to win our 6th SB and when you look at ARZ, STL and SEA, all three teams will be upgrading their team and quite honestly, im mostly worried about the Cardinals because if they do get Manning and he's just half as good as what he was, he'll still make them a legitimate SB contender and adding that is another reason why I would have went after Owens/Moss back in December after Edwards was released.

    As for Snyder, I never said that I would sign these old guys to long term deals. My intention with Moss/Owens would have been a playoff rental with the hopes of winning our 6th SB period.

    And its funny, there's rumors that the 49ers could be interested in Moss now. LOL. I dont want him now.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...atriots_021312

    Minimal rumor for Moss. The funny thing is that if we somehow sign him, I would love to read everyone's response.

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    • Originally posted by Borat View Post
      Give it a rest Dan. I think Harbaugh and Baalke have earned our trust. If they didn't feel T.O. and/or Moss was a good idea, then I 100% back that stance. Owens knee is garbage now and Moss was horrendous 2 years ago when he played for ******* 3 ******* teams in the first 8 weeks.

      Let me clue you in on something ... just because someone has speed, doesn't mean all the ills of the offense will somehow be cured.

      Let me clue you in on something else .... the Giants dropped 7 guys in coverage for most of that game. Moss would have done absolutely nothing except run deep for the majority of the first half and then quit the rest of the game when he realized that it would have been monumentally stupid for Alex to attempt to throw to him.

      But hey, let's not let stupid things like defensive strategy and ... you know ... common sense get in the way of a good bitchfest.
      I never said everything on offense would be cured but seriously, what did Swain and Hastings cure? They cured even less than nothing. And while the Giants dropped seven in coverage, VD was still able to beat them but there was no one else to help them. And you forget something - Moss/Owens would both be motivated because we were already in the playoffs and they, like us would have had a chance to win a SB.

      And while he was in his prime back in 1994, we signed CB Deion Sanders and won a SB and that was basically a half year rental but we won.

      Looking at what could happen in 2012 in regards to our schedule, our division most likely getting better, players that we may lose in FA and whatnot, we had a chance to win our 6th SB and everyone here knows the element that was missing and is what nearly everyone here wants this off-season in FA and management blew it by at the very least not trying. Dont tell me elevating hastings is trying because its nowhere close. Mind as well have signed anyone here instead because the results would have been the same - nothing.

      But fine, whatever. Get mad at me for wanting to go the extra mile and take a chance to possibly win a SB instead of standing pat and failing.

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      • Dan, Borat's point....and mines as well is that the Giants were dropping into coverage and asking Alex to make stick throws, throws into tight windows. So whether we had Moss, Owens, DJax, Jesus Christ himself, it wouldn't have mattered because Alex didnt want to risk driving the ball downfield, into coverage. I dont think it was necessarily about lack of playmakers on the outside as it was a philosphy that Alex had played with all year....dont make mistakes, take what the defense gives you. That philosphy took us all the way to the NFCCG. And if we dont turn the ball over twice, it might have actually took us to the SB. So for someone to suggest we lost the game based on WR play, or lack there of I just think is not accurate. Intially after the game, I too thought the guys on the outside had let us down, but after watching the game a couple times since, its clear that our passing concepts and how the Giants defended it, played more of a role.
        Last edited by VAfy-ya; 02-13-2012, 09:54 PM.

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        • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
          Yes, we can blame you. I don't know why you have a hard-on for ancient players who are either unhealthy (Owens) or lost most of his speed and did NOTHING for 3 separate teams the last season he played (Moss.)

          I agree that WR needs to be upgraded, and NEEDED to be upgraded before the playoffs. However, there are lesser-known players that can offer more than these "has-beens" with name-recognition.

          Dan Snyder played this game for over a decade. There's a reason the Redskins have sucked. And it's not for the owner's willingness to pay old, washed-up players to come to his team.
          Dan thinks it's 1998 again LMFAO.

          "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
          -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
          Originally posted by Borat
          Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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          • Originally posted by VAfy-ya View Post
            Dan, Borat's point....and mines as well is that the Giants were dropping into coverage and asking Alex to make stick throws, throws into tight windows. So whether we had Moss, Owens, DJax, Jesus Christ himself, it wouldn't mattered because Alex didnt want to risk driving the ball downfield, into coverage. I dont think it was necessarily about lack of playmakers on the outside as it was a philosphy that Alex had played with all year....dont make mistakes, take what the defense gives you. That philosphy took us all the way to the NFCCG. And if we dont turn the ball over twice, it might have actually took us to the SB. So for someone to suggest we lost the game based on WR play, or lack there of I just think is not accurate.
            I didnt say that we lost the game based on the lack of plays from the WR's but let's be honest, that hurt badly. As for Smith throwing into coverage, of course he's not going to throw into coverage when his receivers are Crabtree, Williams, Swain and Hastings. Come on. Sorry but I do believe that Moss/Owens would have helped a lot more than those four receivers and provide a threat other than VD who if you subtract, we get blown out by the Saints.

            And I have no problem with how Smith played but again, lets be honest. If it was a Vincent Jackson who's 6'5 230 or a Bowe or a Moss/Owens, do you still think that he would have played it safe especially at the end when you have nothing to lose anyway? I dont. I think that Smith would have taken chances. I do think that Harbaugh would have told him to take the chance if they had signed Moss/Owens because what would be the point in signing either or both if you're not going to take the chance of throwing to them down field? Thats why I think they stayed with who they had. Harbaugh didnt want to risk Smith's confidence being shot if he was to screw up. With a high profile receiver like Owens/Moss, Harbaugh would have been inclined to tell Smith to take shots downfield but I look at it this way - playing consertative using wins you one thing - nothing. I rather have seen Moss/Owens and Smith being aggressive and taking shots downfield and still lose as opposed to what happened because then, at least they took their shots...it just didnt work instead of not taking shots at all.

            But fine, whatever. I'll continue to believe and think my way. You and everyone else believe and think what you want.

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            • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
              Lesser known players??? What lesser known players were available back in December who were better or whatever compared to Owens/Moss? Wait, I got one...Joe Hastings. Yep, that guy was awesome for us.
              Hastings did exactly what a broken-hinged Owens and flat-tired Moss would've done. Absolutely nothing. At least Hastings was with the team the entire season and knew the playbook.

              What Randy Moss and Terrell Owens do you remember? Now look at the 2010 versions of them. Then tear one of their knees up, and take the speed away from the other one. Then sit them both out for an entire year.

              They're not the same players. Why not bring Jerry back?

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              • Originally posted by Caddy
                From what I've read, a portion can be requested, but I'm not 100% sure of that. I think a lot of people are still learning about the ins/outs of the new CBA.
                Found this

                Under Article 13, Section 6(b)(v) of the CBA, 'each team may carry over any remaining cap room from one year to the next by submitting written notice, signed by the owner of the team, to the league office no later than 14 days before the start of the next league year. The written notice must indicate the maximum amount of cap room that the team wishes to shift from one cap year to the next.'

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                • I'm sure Dan's right. Signing an ageing great WR at the end of their career would bring a Superbowl for sure, just like last time.



                  Championship.

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                  • At least Bruce was a mentor to some of the younger WRs in the locker room. Can't say Moss or Owens will do the same.

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                    • I like how Dan is preaching aggression over conservatism when it was Kyle Williams' aggression that cost them the most.
                      The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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                      • New topic: Should the 9ers make a run at Mike Tolbert?

                        I think he's a perfect compliment to Gore. Kind of what I thought Anthony Dixon was going to become. He's a strong redzone runner where Gore is weak. You can still mix in Hunter on 3rd downs. And hopefully keeps Gore fresher for the playoffs. Seems like a great fit to me.
                        The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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                        • Originally posted by Borat View Post
                          New topic: Should the 9ers make a run at Mike Tolbert?

                          I think he's a perfect compliment to Gore. Kind of what I thought Anthony Dixon was going to become. He's a strong redzone runner where Gore is weak. You can still mix in Hunter on 3rd downs. And hopefully keeps Gore fresher for the playoffs. Seems like a great fit to me.
                          I thought about it, but we really have bigger fish to fry in free agency. And really dont see the Chargers letting him walk with a injury-prone Matthews as your lone opiton in the backfield. Honestly it wouldnt surprise me if they franchised him.

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                          • I like Tolbert but I don't think he's worth the compensation needed to sign him. This is similar to the Hillis convo we had recently. Plus, I see Miller continuing to improve and the Niners drafting or bringing in another big back in FA to compete with Dixon, possibly taking his job.


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                            • Yeah, I really like Miller. Once he gets comfortable and just lets his physical instincts take over, watch out. You can tell he was trying not to mess up and it made him kind of robotic at times, especially out on the edge, in space. But he should be so much better next year.

                              Wouldnt surprise me if we drafted another FB who was more of a short yardage brusier instead of looking for another big back.

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                              • Nab a RB in late rounds and UDFAs. That seems to be the best route for talented, fresh legs. Especially when you're not in "need" of an every down back.

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