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  • Bring back Stevie Johnson and Desean Jackson to the bay!


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    • I can't decide what's worse Ness complaining all season about the Niners winning, or Dan being Dan.
      Originally posted by 49erNation85
      I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.

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      • Originally posted by Menardo75 View Post
        I can't decide what's worse Ness complaining all season about the Niners winning, or Dan being Dan.
        Dan being Dan. Look, I've decided for you.

        "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
        -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
        Originally posted by Borat
        Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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        • By the way, big name FA receivers usually flop. Brandon Marshall has been okay for the Dolphins though. But he seems to be more so an exception to the rule.

          "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
          -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
          Originally posted by Borat
          Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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          • Originally posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? View Post
            C'mon Dan if they return to their form from 2 years ago? The following WR's could potentially hit the market this March:

            Vincent Jackson
            Wes Welker
            Dwayne Bowe
            Marques Colston
            Stevie Johnson
            Desean Jackson
            Mario Manningham
            Laurant Robinson
            Mike Wallace
            Brandon Lloyd
            Reggie Wayne
            Pierre Garcon

            And we are talking about trying to sign past their primes Randy Moss and Terrell Owens.
            First, me wanting either or both of them was just for the playoff run with the hopes of sneaking out with a 6th SB championship and thats it. I have no interest in either Owens or Moss.

            Second, as for that list of receivers, majority of them wont even hit FA. Vincent Jackson is the most likely but at 29, he's not worth the long term huge amount of money contract. A three year deal with money up front but thats it. Welker will be 31 in May, is a slot receiver and not what we need period. Bowe is my third choice but I dont see KC letting him hit the market.

            Colston is a wildcard because while I do think that he'll hit the open market, I dont think that he's worth a long term contract. He'll be 29 in June and is basically another Vincent Jackson in terms of where they are. I do think that Colston is an excellent receiver but at the same time, he's been playing with Brees, a four or five star OL, in a dome, on turf and is just one of the Saints many weapons. Would offer him the same type of deal as Vincent Jackson. Wouldnt complain if we sign him but im hoping for a younger receiver who we can sign to a five year or longer deal.

            Steve Johnson would be good too as he's younger than I originally thought. Would prefer Johnson over Jackson and Colston since he'll be 26 in July but he drops a lot of passes and his concentration isnt always there. DeSean Jackson is my number one choice but I think that he'll be franchised. Manningham is decent but not worth number one receiver money. We need a receiver who as he's signing his contract, he automatically becomes our number one receiver on the depth chart. Manningham isnt that guy. Robinson will most likely stay in DAL and even if he doesnt, I have no interest in him whatsoever.

            Wallace is the second guy on my list and people can say whatever they want about Brown being better in PIT. He's not and if Wallace leaves, everyone will see that. The reason why Brown does good in PIT is because of Wallace. Wallace's speed and deep threat ability often requires a corner and a safety and when you add in Miller in the middle, that leaves Brown (and Sanders) open or with one on one coverage. Wallace is EXACTLY what our offense needs. We have the dominant playmaking up the middle TE, the possession receiver and the slot receiver. Whats missing is the speed receiver on the outside who can take away coverage from all the other receivers. People here say that Wallace can only run two routes....well, he's done pretty ******* good running only two routes averaging 57 receptions, 1068 yards, an 18.7 average and 8 touchdowns. The 30th overall draft pick for Wallace is a STEAL for US. He easily becomes our number one receiver, isnt a rookie who's going to need a season or two or three to make an impact, can start opposite Crabtree from day one, is healthy, young, huge upside and potential and is said to be a team guy. Seriously, what more could you ask for? Quite honestly, once DeSean gets franchised, Wallace becomes number one on my list. Also, I rather trade away the 30th pick for an already established receiver. Draft that TE/WR Fleener in the second and bam, done.

            No thanks to Lloyd. Wayne is 33 and not worth the investment or anything whatsoever to us. Garcon is 4th on my wish list and only ahead of Vincent Jackson because he'll be three years younger and is worth a five year deal. Wouldnt cost as much as others will. Whether or not he can automatically become our number one receiver remains to be seen though.

            Originally posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? View Post
            I'm probably the only one but I agree with you Dan. If the 49ers were able to create a deal big enough to force Steelers to move Wallace for a 1st, I would jump at that trade. He is only 25 and one of the top deep threats in the game. He would be the perfect guy to pair with Crabtree. 49ers would be giving up a late first round pick for a proven player.
            Exactly. If we had a top ten draft pick, its a different story but for the 30th overall draft pick, Wallace is a steal. And if we tender Grant at the second round level and some team signes him which I think is a great possibility, we'll have two second round draft picks and our third rounder. Could always package two of them to move back into the first if needed. If we dont get a second rounder for Grant, he stays as the backup to Willis/Bowman which is fine by me.

            Only reason why I have Wallace second behind DeSean is because DeSean is scheduled to be an UFA and would require no draft pick compensation. Once Philly franchises DeSean, Wallace becomes my number one receiver on my list.

            Also, when you look at your list above, the only receivers that I actually think will be UFA's will be Colston, Johnson, Vincent Jackson, Manningham, Wayne, Lloyd and Garcon. Thinking about it more, I would prefer Johnson out of these seven guys. I wouldnt even contact Manningham, Wayne and Lloyd. Garcon would be a backup choice because I dont think that he could be a number one receiver. Jackson and Colston would be good but I wouldnt offer either of them more than a three year deal because its too risky. Johnson is younger and can be offered a five year deal.

            When you look at what could happen, Wallace may seem like the best and smartest choice. PIT will be in the same situation next year with Brown and Sanders. They held on to too many veterans for too long and its costing them now. But hey, I would have no problem trading away my 30th overall draft pick and giving Wallace a five year deal with the most money in 2012 so the Steelers cant match it and take him off their hands.

            In terms of cap room, we'll have about $30m. Goldson will be $6.2m if franchised or around that anyway. Smith would be $8m or so a year as I wouldnt go past $8m a season for him but I would add incentives that could pass $8m but thats the only way I would pay him more than $8m a season.

            Brooks is the guy im worried about and dont want to see him leave. Everyone here and everything I read says that Aldon Smith will be a starter in 2012 and thats great. Thats what I want to see. Just one problem. I would much rather pay Brooks $8m a year and have him and Smith start with Haralson coming off the bench because quite honestly, Brooks/Smith > Haralson/Smith easily.

            After them three, I would re-sign Snyder to keep my starting OL intact and re-sign the special teamers. I let Rogers walk among others. Release Spencer and sign CB/S Jason Allen who I rather have over Carr. Carr will cost way too much money if he hits the open market and I rather see Culliver/Brown start at CB and quite honestly, WR is our number one need and should be our number one priority in free agency.

            I'm just hoping that we can re-sign Smith, Brooks and Goldson going into free agency and I'll be a happy camper.

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            • Originally posted by VAfy-ya View Post
              Its not worth the price to sign a guy who is esentially here to run one route. Thats not how samrt franchises operate. Again, what Wallace provides we can draft two players for for half the price. And Phlysac is right, Brown is a better WR. Maybe not as straight line fast but just as quick and explosive and has no problem going over the middle.
              Subtract Wallace and his ability to draw double coverage (and Miller) and Brown becomes average at best. If Wallace leaves, Brown's stats will decline because he wont be able to produce as good as he did this past season. As for Wallace running only one route, when its the one route that our offense is missing, I dont think that it matters since having him and his speed will open up everything for all the other receivers. As for drafting, there's a difference. What does everyone here usually say? It takes three years for a rookie receiver to make an impact? Sorry, I dont want to wait three ******* years. Team has a chance to do something that will help the team and they should. Wallace has already established himself where as two rookies will be what? 3rd, 4th or lower on the depth chart? Wallace automatically becomes our number one receiver and provides us with exactly what our offense needs the most.

              Originally posted by Brent View Post
              let teams without a chance of winning waste money on FAs.

              in this NFL, you have to draft well, and if you turn to FA, you either bring in guys that have long lasting impact (Justin Smith), cheap starters (Carlos, Whitner), or use it to fill depth (Costanzo)
              Justin Smith wasnt a cheap signing and was already established. Whitner was a great signing as was Rogers but Rogers isnt worth re-signing because of his age. Would much rather use that money towards Wallace or a young WR that we actually need. As for drafting players, guys we drafted last April did well with Smith and Hunter being the best two but they werent starters. They were situation based type players.

              I'm not looking to sign a billion free agents. Just an already established playmaking receiver. I dont think thats asking a lot.

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              • I actually don't think we'll make a big splash in FA for a WR. You look at the history of WR FA signings and a lot of them don't really live up to their impact for one reason or another.

                To solve the WR problem this offseason...wouldn't be surprised if we re-sign Morgan, Ginn (more for returns), sign someone like Garcon to a reasonable deal, and draft a couple of WR's in the draft (say Kendall Wright R1, Tommy Streeter/Stephen Hill in R3/R4). Before you say this isn't enough...keep in mind all the quality starters we got in FA last year on cheap deals. I think our quality coaching is the X-factor...we just didn't have anyone worthy at WR after Morgan went down..except for Crabs of course. The big money is going to go to our guys.

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                • Originally posted by Menardo75 View Post
                  I can't decide what's worse Ness complaining all season about the Niners winning, or Dan being Dan.
                  Originally posted by Ness View Post
                  Dan being Dan. Look, I've decided for you.
                  Awesome!!! I prefer to be the most hated pissed off SOB on the ******* planet so if me bitching, moaning and groaning just in the hopes of winning a 6th SB is worse, fine by me.

                  Originally posted by Ness View Post
                  By the way, big name FA receivers usually flop. Brandon Marshall has been okay for the Dolphins though. But he seems to be more so an exception to the rule.
                  Marshall doesnt exactly have an explosive offense around him either. I dont remember Moss flopping when he was traded to NE and re-signed by them a year later. I dont remember T.O. flopping in Philly or DAL or even BUF and CIN as he did far better than the guy who replaced him in DAL did.

                  It has nothing to do with big name FA receivers. It has to do with picking the right one and if the team is truly good at scouting, interviewing, assessing, etc., then they will sign the right one, period.

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                  • Originally posted by Menardo75 View Post
                    I can't decide what's worse Ness complaining all season about the Niners winning, or Dan being Dan.
                    Dan being Dan is my favorite. Just wait till we reach that dead period after free agency and weeks before the draft.

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                    • Originally posted by 49ersfan_87 View Post
                      I actually don't think we'll make a big splash in FA for a WR. You look at the history of WR FA signings and a lot of them don't really live up to their impact for one reason or another.

                      To solve the WR problem this offseason...wouldn't be surprised if we re-sign Morgan, Ginn (more for returns), sign someone like Garcon to a reasonable deal, and draft a couple of WR's in the draft (say Kendall Wright R1, Tommy Streeter/Stephen Hill in R3/R4). Before you say this isn't enough...keep in mind all the quality starters we got in FA last year on cheap deals. I think our quality coaching is the X-factor...we just didn't have anyone worthy at WR after Morgan went down..except for Crabs of course. The big money is going to go to our guys.
                      If big name free agent WR's dont live up to the contract is because they dont fit in or because the player doesnt care. Its all about picking the right guy.

                      I would let Morgan leave, re-sign Ginn (for returns like you said), keep Crabtree and Williams as our second and slot (third) receiver respectively. I dont see any receiver we draft will be able to start day one and thats what we need. A receiver who can start day one and automatically become our number one receiver because Crabtree will never ever be our number one receiver period.

                      Garcon is solid but he's not a number one receiver. He's just another number two and we already have that in Crabtree. Plus, Garcon isnt going to demand double coverage like a DeSean/Vincent Jackson, Bowe or Wallace would.

                      If we can sign a playmaking WR and draft Fleener. We're set on offense for years to come. All we would have to do is find the future behind Gore.

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                      • I do not disagree with that high priced WR's in years past have failed. But the class of WR's that is about to hit the market is probably the deepest in the past 10 years. Take a look at the past 5 years of the UFA WR's that have gotten big deals and it was mostly because of a thin market.
                        http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=1...pid=16&yr=2012

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                        • Originally posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? View Post
                          I do not disagree with that high priced WR's in years past have failed. But the class of WR's that is about to hit the market is probably the deepest in the past 10 years. Take a look at the past 5 years of the UFA WR's that have gotten big deals and it was mostly because of a thin market.
                          http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=1...pid=16&yr=2012
                          WOW!!! They have Wallace ranked number one overall despite being an RFA. That says it all right there. I'll be happy with any one of the top five and Colston is the only one I wouldnt mind from 6-10.

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                          • Dan, I've seen every single Steelers game of Mike Wallace's career, and I can promise you that he is elite at one thing and pretty bad at everything else, and many Steelers fans have grown frustrated with him.

                            I wouldn't hate Wallace coming here, but at the price he would command, I would hope he would be able to contribute more than a Ted Ginn plus hands minus return skills.

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                            • Originally posted by 49ersfan_87 View Post
                              I actually don't think we'll make a big splash in FA for a WR. You look at the history of WR FA signings and a lot of them don't really live up to their impact for one reason or another.

                              To solve the WR problem this offseason...wouldn't be surprised if we re-sign Morgan, Ginn (more for returns), sign someone like Garcon to a reasonable deal, and draft a couple of WR's in the draft (say Kendall Wright R1, Tommy Streeter/Stephen Hill in R3/R4). Before you say this isn't enough...keep in mind all the quality starters we got in FA last year on cheap deals. I think our quality coaching is the X-factor...we just didn't have anyone worthy at WR after Morgan went down..except for Crabs of course. The big money is going to go to our guys.
                              The Colts are petty much set on keeping Garcon and Mathis. I'd be surprised if Garcon even tests the market, unless he just doesn't want to be a Colt anymore.

                              "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                              -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                              Originally posted by Borat
                              Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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                              • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                                Marshall doesnt exactly have an explosive offense around him either. I dont remember Moss flopping when he was traded to NE and re-signed by them a year later. I dont remember T.O. flopping in Philly or DAL or even BUF and CIN as he did far better than the guy who replaced him in DAL did.

                                It has nothing to do with big name FA receivers. It has to do with picking the right one and if the team is truly good at scouting, interviewing, assessing, etc., then they will sign the right one, period.
                                Moss flopped when he went to Oakland. He had Tom Brady in New England. That is why he was successful. He later flopped in Tennessee and Minnesota.

                                Owens was not as good in Cincinnati and Buffalo because of the quarterback situation there either. And Miles Austin made letting Owens go actually look smart. They clearly didn't need him, and they still don't to this day. Because Romo is a good passer.

                                We don't need guys like Owens or Moss, bordering on line of retirement on this team. There are plenty of FA receivers this year that are younger, and that are just as explosive, if not better at this point in time.

                                All in all this is pointless because Owens and Moss aren't coming here. So you should just stop talking about it.

                                "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                                -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                                Originally posted by Borat
                                Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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