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  • Originally posted by GMoney View Post

    Question to those against choosing Sanchez: What is your QB solution for 2010 or 2011?
    I'm all for drafting Stafford or Sanchez, if either is available. That aside, I believe that most of the other fans on here will tell you that A. They believe Shaun Hill will have success and still be our starting QB then, B. Alex Smith will turn his career around and be the QB we hoped he would be when we drafted him, C. If Hill and Smith fail next year, lets go ahead and draft our QB of the future then.

    I have no hopes of B. happening. I have a little bit of hope of A. happening. And I will be pissed if C. happens because that would still be "wasting" a 1st round pick (as some call it) that we will have to sit whichever QB would be available and then our core of young talent is all 3 to 4 years older by that time. Not many QBs come in and start from day 1 and have great NFL careers. For those that would rather draft a guy in rounds 4, 5, or 6 and have him sit the bench, the success rates of those guys isnt very good either.

    I doubt Stafford is available at 10. If Sanchez is, I grab him. Sit him a year behind Hill. Start him in 2010. Solidify the QB position. Then I'd worry about finding a RT, FS, or NT. Which I'm pretty sure there is a greater chance of finding a successful NFL player at those positions after round 1, then there is of finding a successful QB after round 1.

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    • Agreed. Agreed. and Agreed.

      As a 49er fan the LAST thing I want to happen is C.

      P.S. you are going to have every anti-QB advodcate on this board bringing out the 'look at Brady, Montana and Cassell' comments for your success rate of late round QB argument. Predictable.
      Last edited by GMoney; 02-13-2009, 12:07 AM.

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      • The more i think about it, Sanchez is there at 10 we take him. We can fill the other positions later in the draft. an OT like Loadholt in the 2nd, a FS 3rd or whatever. As far as the brady, montana and cassel thing that is completely different. Brady was drafted by a team with a franchise qb, Bledsoe and started after being in the system and Bledsoe going down with an injury, and guess what else, Cassel did the same thing.
        Montana was different. Walsh made a calculated risk. Walsh wanted him all along, and he fit the kind of offense that Walsh was creating. He was not stereotypical which is why he lasted on the board as long as he did. If montana had come out after the advent of the WCO montana would not last to the third. Joe is the prototypical WCO QB and now a days would be drafted accordingly
        “Every play, every down, every series, every meeting — like it’s your last.” Jerry Kramer

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        • Originally posted by GMoney View Post

          P.S. you are going to have every anti-QB advodcate on this board bringing out the 'look at Brady, Montana and Cassell' comments for your success rate of late round QB argument. Predictable.
          Nah, there are a lot of good, intelligent 49ers fans on this site. Some of us just disagree on which direction we should go when it comes to how our QB situation should play out.

          I cant say that they are wrong in wanting to give Shaun Hill his fair shot of being our QB, but I just dont see him being able to be successful over a 16 game schedule. Thats all just based on a "feeling" I have about him. Nothing else. I cant really argue about his record during games that he has started for us.

          I can say that I have no hope of Alex Smith being able to turn his career around at this point.

          On the other hand, I wont be upset, puke, punch something, or want to commit suicide if we happen to draft a position other than QB at #10. We need help on the O-line and we need help rushing the passer. We need anyone else at FS other than Roman. No stud at FS to take at 10 though.

          I honestly dont believe we will draft a QB at 10. I trust the powers that be will make the correct choices, and then I will probably have to have this same argument next year.

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          • Originally posted by GMoney View Post
            Shaun Hill is a big boy and has been around the league as a 3rd stringer. I don't think you are going to hurt his ego too easily.

            The reason you take Sanchez now is because he can be a FRANCHISE QB. Is a guy we take in the 4th or 5th (Harrell and the like) really ever going to be any better than Shaun Hill - NO, they won't so why bother.

            Thats like saying we can fix our FS problems with a 7th rounder.

            'Developmental Guys' are 'developmental' for a reason. You hope you can one day 'develop' them into some kind of contributor. You don't ever expect to base your franchise around these guys.

            If you aren't taking a QB that can be an upgrade on Hill and Smith. Don't even waste your time taking one.

            Question to those against choosing Sanchez: What is your QB solution for 2010 or 2011?
            totally agree here.

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            • Yeah, let's take a guy with 16 career college starts and let him sit and watch 16 to 32 more games from the sidelines. Great use of that #10 pick. Hey GMoney, how predictable was that statement?
              The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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              • If one more new Niner fan pops up advocating we draft a QB at ten I am going to find a small child and punch it right in the suck hole.
                Originally posted by 49erNation85
                I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.

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                • Originally posted by GMoney View Post
                  I do not believe the 49ers can pass up the opporunity to take a franchise QB at pick 10 if Sanchez is still sitting there. It would be irresponsible to do so.
                  God I'm so sick of this argument. Than go tell the Cheifs fans to take Sanchez. Or the Jaguars, or the Rams, or the Seahawks, or the Bengals.

                  First, what the hell is a "franchise QB"? One that is paid a lot? One that wins? one that is drafted high? Give me a standard of some sort.

                  Just remember, Alex Smith was a "franchise QB" once as well. We couldn't afford to pass that one up either right?

                  No one busts more often than a "franchise QB" and they honestly aren't required for a team to win either. That's why i don't want one.

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                  • Originally posted by thediggler3030 View Post
                    God I'm so sick of this argument. Than go tell the Cheifs fans to take Sanchez. Or the Jaguars, or the Rams, or the Seahawks, or the Bengals.
                    Totally agree. I'm sick of having the 'golden rule' chanted at me, if it's true then Sanchez is gone by our pick.

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                    • Originally posted by king2am View Post
                      You are right. It's unlikely that we are able to fill every single hole.

                      So with that in mind, why in the world would you want to spend a pick on a player that will not contribute this year, or next year? What's the difference between Sanchez, whom you'd like to groom for two or three years, and developmental guy that you can get in the later rounds? You're going to sit them both for the same amount of time, but you're going to pay one of them significantly less money.

                      Not to mention that there will be an Everette Brown, or B.J Raji staring you in the face at #10, guys that could come in and start right away at positions of need. And I am a HUGE fan of getting Loadholt in the second. But as someone already pointed out, banking on someone lasting till your second pick is a calculated risk. In your scenario it's very possible that we draft Sanchez and MISS Loadholt in the second. Now we have passed on an elite defensive talent, and missed our RT option in the second round. I'm perfectly fine with taking the risk on missing Loadholt in the second, but if i'm doing that i'm going to make damn sure that I get a contributor in the first round. And that is NOT Sanchez.

                      Not to mention, that all Shaun Hill has done is win. Why slap him in the face with a first round QB? It's much more practical to grab someone late, and put playmakers on our roster that are going to start day one.




                      *** Side note, this is Orakpo's highlight vid off of youtube. And after watching it, i'm convinced Everette Brown is THE guy we want if we go the passrusher route. I hope Orakpo goes early. If you watch this, he is a one move guy. Brown is definitely more polished in my opinion.

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZTelDHwUwY
                      It seems as if Orakpo just uses his athleticism to get by tackles which we all know won't work as well with the big boys.

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                      • What exactly defines a "franchise QB"? I mean there has to be something tangible because everyone that thinks the 49ers are going to draft Sanchez obviously knows that he is a "franchise QB"

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                        • Originally posted by king2am View Post
                          You are right. It's unlikely that we are able to fill every single hole.

                          *** Side note, this is Orakpo's highlight vid off of youtube. And after watching it, i'm convinced Everette Brown is THE guy we want if we go the passrusher route. I hope Orakpo goes early. If you watch this, he is a one move guy. Brown is definitely more polished in my opinion.

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZTelDHwUwY
                          Thanks for posting the vid. It shows me a couple things:

                          1) Orakpo is a speedy cat who i somewhat of a one trick pony. He does have great athletic ability sand will do well as a 3/4 OLB in the NFL. He may just not be a star. Personally, if you look at highlight videos, Dan Cody was just as impressive to me but he ended up being a bust. I included a vid below that doesn't do him too much justice, but many of you whom follow the draft process remember some of his QB mashing sacks where he flew in seemingly from nowhere.

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqLxEyZrLGY

                          2) More importantly, if my first point is true about Orakpo, then those of you on this "Loadholt in the 2nd" bandwagon need to jump off. Did you see how many times he absolutely got tooled by an undersized, athletic DE (Orakpo) in just the Texas game? WOW! Scary. IMO he has prototype size but no lateral movement and would do no better than Snyder for us next year at RT.

                          If the Niners Draft and obtain a couple FA's, it's very possible that they could fill all their wholes in the offseason, or at least the most glaring ones (OT, Pass Rush, NT, FS, QBOTF, RB2).


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                          Operation Pile Up Draft Picks for Re-Build: In progress, with much work to be done


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                          • anyone who's name isn't alex smith.
                            why not use a high draft pick on bradford next season? other qb's in next year like jevean snead, colt mcoy, or tim heller from western michigan are going to be there next year. there is no need or hurry. hill is a solid guy, let him play.

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                            • I'm on record for not being huge on Sanchez and I feel that overdrafting him at 10 and letting him develop for the next 1-2 years would not have a huge edge over drafting one of the many more polished (3-4 year starters) that will be available in the 1st Round next year.


                              #thestruggleisreal with Tomsula in as HC after the "Harbacle"
                              Operation Pile Up Draft Picks for Re-Build: In progress, with much work to be done


                              "He who thinks he knows it all has the most to learn"

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                              • Originally posted by GMoney View Post
                                Shaun Hill is a big boy and has been around the league as a 3rd stringer. I don't think you are going to hurt his ego too easily.

                                The reason you take Sanchez now is because he can be a FRANCHISE QB. Is a guy we take in the 4th or 5th (Harrell and the like) really ever going to be any better than Shaun Hill - NO, they won't so why bother.

                                Thats like saying we can fix our FS problems with a 7th rounder.

                                'Developmental Guys' are 'developmental' for a reason. You hope you can one day 'develop' them into some kind of contributor. You don't ever expect to base your franchise around these guys.

                                If you aren't taking a QB that can be an upgrade on Hill and Smith. Don't even waste your time taking one.

                                Question to those against choosing Sanchez: What is your QB solution for 2010 or 2011?
                                Sanchez could be a franchise quarterback. I am not disagreeing with you.

                                Many believed that Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Cade McCown, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman.... You get my point.

                                Why risk the 10th overall pick, and pay that kind of money, to a guy who's had a handful of collegiate starts and plays at the position that has a high rate for busts.

                                And your thought that we shouldn't draft a quarterback unless he's going to be the best one on our roster is absurd. So is saying "i know there are great examples that prove me wrong, but ... don't use them against me" oops, you worded it as "P.S. you are going to have every anti-QB advodcate on this board bringing out the 'look at Brady, Montana and Cassell' comments for your success rate of late round QB argument. Predictable."

                                Sound the same to me.

                                But to be fair, I won't use Brady, Montana, or Cassel.

                                Marc Bulger
                                David Garrard
                                Jake Delhomme
                                Matt Hasselbeck
                                Jeff Garcia
                                Matt Schaub
                                Kurt Warner
                                Trent Edwards

                                You can absolutely draft a quarterback not in the first round, and still get a quality guy.

                                There is an article you should read: http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...bust_than.html
                                The author, J.M. Pressley looked at quarterbacks drafted from 1985-2005.

                                Long story short, after reading that, you can't tell me drafting a quarterback in the first round is the best option.

                                Especially for our team. A team that is going to be a run the ball, stop the run type of team.

                                What is MY plan to address the quarterback situation? Simple. It goes like so: Alex Smith restructures his contract and stays with the team. We draft a quarterback in April to bring in and learn the system from Jimmy Raye and Johnson. Alex and Shaun compete in training camp and a starter is named sooner rather than later.

                                For the next two seasons we would have stability at the position with the same three guys on the roster, and we would have a fair chance to evaluate Alex vs. Shaun, and see how our rook has developed.

                                I'm sure your scenario is very similar. The problem is you are not leaving room for the possibility that Sanchez will bust. And as this Pressley guy shows, it's more likely Sanchez is Tim Couch, than Matt Ryan.
                                Last edited by king2am; 02-13-2009, 12:39 PM. Reason: correcting a year
                                Originally posted by Babylon
                                It's called Karma for all the years with Montana and Young.

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