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  • dan77733
    started a poll POLL: Alex Smith or Mike Singletary

    POLL: Alex Smith or Mike Singletary

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    Alex Smith
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    Mike Singletary
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    While the majority of us probably want both of them to be gone, if you had to choose one or the other to come back in 2011, which one would you pick?

    My vote goes to Alex Smith.
    Last edited by dan77733; 12-22-2010, 02:25 AM.

  • phlysac
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    "Look at me I was right" type stuff I can only assume. Or "Look at how wrong he was."

    Gotta love it.

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  • Brent
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    what's with the necro-threads?

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  • Ness
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    Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
    That is what I said
    All in all it's subjective. So it depends on the person. Kyle Orton and David Garrard are pretty average to me, but I think they're a lot better than Alex Smith.

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  • abaddon41_80
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    Originally posted by Ness View Post
    Sure if this was 1985. A quarterback that flirts around 80 in terms of rating isn't going to get it done for you consistently these days. You need to be pushing 90. To be good at least. If you're talking average, then sure if you want to state that, I could accept it. In any case, stats don't tell the entire story. Smith has played worse than his rating has indicated. Especially when a lot of his yards and touchdowns have come in garbage time.
    That is what I said

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  • Ness
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    Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
    ~225 yards per game, 30 touchdowns, 22 interceptions, 60% completion, and a 80 QB rating is pretty average
    Sure if this was 1985. A quarterback that flirts around 80 in terms of rating isn't going to get it done for you consistently these days. You need to be pushing 90. To be good at least. If you're talking average, then sure if you want to state that, I could accept it. In any case, stats don't tell the entire story. Smith has played worse than his rating has indicated. Especially when a lot of his yards and touchdowns have come in garbage time.

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  • abaddon41_80
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    Originally posted by Ness View Post
    You're right, he hasn't done anything.
    ~225 yards per game, 30 touchdowns, 22 interceptions, 60% completion, and a 80 QB rating is pretty average

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  • Ness
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    Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
    He isn't. Look at what he has done the past two years
    You're right, he hasn't done anything.

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  • Ness
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    Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
    If that was the case, this poll would have been Alex or Troy. Our debate/argument gave me the idea for the poll to see who fans would pick if they HAD to keep one or the other.

    Winning record??? WTF??? He's 3-2. Big deal. His record as a starter career wise is 4-3. You're actually using a one game lead (so to speak) as a reason why you prefer him is just insane. Alex's TD percentage is 4% while his INT percentage is at 3.4%. Troy is at 3.2% to 2.4%. Of course, if you add the .8% that Alex is ahead in TD percentage, the difference becomes only .2%. Big deal. You also fail to realize that Troy has only started in 5 games and has 126 attempts compared to Alex who has started 9 games and has 298 attempts. Obviously, if the starts and attempts were the opposite, we would be having the same conversation but in the opposite direction. I'll give Troy credit and props for the 356 yard game. As for the ball bouncing off the hands of WR's and becoming INT's isnt always on the QB. Yeah, he'll get the blame but its not always on the QB. I seriously doubt all 10 INT's are on Alex. My mind is already set just like yours is so it evens out in the end. And stop saying Madden, I dont play that piece of crap of a game.


    At least we argree in regards to Singletary.

    The Pro Bowl squad comment I made was in regards to Sing. Sing could have a Pro Bowl team and still find a way to screw it up. I never said anything about Alex being a Pro Bowler if he had a Pro Bowl squad. I do think that Alex would be better if he had better coaching though.

    Considering the mistakes that this franchise has made since 2002, I seriously doubt that keeping Alex in 2011 would be horrible and humiliating compared to the past. But whatever, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
    Well we were talking about Alex, which you believe I blamed everything on...which sparked the creation for this thread.

    Having a winning record is a big deal. If Alex Smith had a winning record you'd be all over it this season, so spare me. Alex has had more opportunities to win games this season with the same coaches, same teammates and with more experience under his belt and and his consistently failed to come through. Alex is responsible for the majority of his interceptions.

    Anyone would be better with better coaching. But Alex being better, doesn't mean he'll throw the football differently and be more accurate magically. He might have a better understanding, but his intuition may not change. And that is what matters. Like Steve Young said about accuracy, you either have it or you don't. And Alex doesn't.

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  • abaddon41_80
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    Originally posted by Ness View Post
    Well him not being good is the important part. And if he's not good consistently, then he's not good at all. If you want to believe he's "average", that's fine. I just think he's downright terrible.
    He isn't. Look at what he has done the past two years

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  • Ness
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    Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
    I don't still believe Alex can be good consistently but I believe he can be average with times when he plays great. He has proven that. And he is average.
    Well him not being good is the important part. And if he's not good consistently, then he's not good at all. If you want to believe he's "average", that's fine. I just think he's downright terrible.

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  • dan77733
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    Originally posted by Ness
    I'm willing to bet you 100 dollars that within the next five years he won't do anything significant anywhere.
    Just want to clarify - what exactly do you see as significant in regards to Alex?

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  • dan77733
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    Originally posted by Ness View Post
    And just because you deny it doesn't make it true either. The fact that this poll exists because of a discussion we had involving me and you just makes it seem you're trying to push your point further because I didn't agree with it and/or didn't say what you wanted to hear.

    Actually I have posted why I believe Troy is better, even though it seems obvious. The winning record for one. He's passed the ball just as effectively without turning it over as much (his interception percentage is a lot lower). Balls don't bounce off the hands of receivers magically into the hands of the defender, something that was a trademark of Alex. Troy gets sacked a bit more, I'll give you that. This guy has accomplished these feats without even being here in the summer for preseason and training camp. Within his first few starts he passed for over 300 yards, something that took how many seasons to do? All in all it doesn't matter because I believe you'll refute this evidence anyways and/or just plain ignore it. Seems like your mind is already made up. Whether you like it or not, not being here to learn the system and have chemistry with the players matters. It's a reality. This isn't Madden where you can just plug in whoever you please.

    I don't know why Singletary cut Davis in the first place and signed Smith. Regardless, that's irrelevant to him being at a disadvantage when coming here compared to Smith who was here all summer. I never said Alex wasn't at a disadvantage with the coaching. But as far as being here and knowing the system and having a lot more reps with the players, that is an advantage. How in the world would it not be? And you babble all you want about the fragile psyche of Alex Smith as if this can be evidence you can actually present in a court, but at the end of the day it's just one of the many pathetic excuses used for the last six seasons. The playcalling however flawed it may be doesn't excuse Alex for not being able to throw the ball effectively...as in never pump faking, throwing the ball late resulting in defenders to get a jump on it, being inaccurate resulting in receivers having balls tipped, etc.

    I already told you I don't like Singletary as the head coach and that I believe his decisions have been terrible. Just because I haven't said anything recently doesn't mean I've changed my tune. Stop making assumptions without a basis for a conclusion. Both Smith and Singletary are terrible at what they do in their own regard and need to be axed from the team for various reasons...most of which would be serious baggage that screws the reputation of the organization.

    As for Alex being able to be a Pro Bowl quarterback if he had a Pro Bowl squad, that is only speculative and not factual. You could say that about a lot of quarterbacks that busted in the NFL. Other quarterbacks have come in with inadequate coaching, a bad cast, and just an overall bad team, but still made it work. They didn't need excuses. Me talking about how terrible the other members of the team are isn't going to change my stance on Alex at all. I could do it if it'll make you feel better?

    Keeping Alex would be awful for the franchise and humiliating. That would be like the Chargers keeping Ryan Leaf until 2004...even as just a backup. It's embarrassing. It's basically sending a message everyone out there that the franchise still has confidence in it's busted quarterback...instead of doing the logical thing and admitting a mistake was made and move forward.
    If that was the case, this poll would have been Alex or Troy. Our debate/argument gave me the idea for the poll to see who fans would pick if they HAD to keep one or the other.

    Winning record??? WTF??? He's 3-2. Big deal. His record as a starter career wise is 4-3. You're actually using a one game lead (so to speak) as a reason why you prefer him is just insane. Alex's TD percentage is 4% while his INT percentage is at 3.4%. Troy is at 3.2% to 2.4%. Of course, if you add the .8% that Alex is ahead in TD percentage, the difference becomes only .2%. Big deal. You also fail to realize that Troy has only started in 5 games and has 126 attempts compared to Alex who has started 9 games and has 298 attempts. Obviously, if the starts and attempts were the opposite, we would be having the same conversation but in the opposite direction. I'll give Troy credit and props for the 356 yard game. As for the ball bouncing off the hands of WR's and becoming INT's isnt always on the QB. Yeah, he'll get the blame but its not always on the QB. I seriously doubt all 10 INT's are on Alex. My mind is already set just like yours is so it evens out in the end. And stop saying Madden, I dont play that piece of crap of a game.

    At least we argree in regards to Singletary.

    The Pro Bowl squad comment I made was in regards to Sing. Sing could have a Pro Bowl team and still find a way to screw it up. I never said anything about Alex being a Pro Bowler if he had a Pro Bowl squad. I do think that Alex would be better if he had better coaching though.

    Considering the mistakes that this franchise has made since 2002, I seriously doubt that keeping Alex in 2011 would be horrible and humiliating compared to the past. But whatever, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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  • abaddon41_80
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    I don't still believe Alex can be good consistently but I believe he can be average with times when he plays great. He has proven that. And he is average.

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  • Ness
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    Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
    I don't think he will start performing like Brees or Rivers, I never said I did. To act like it is impossible is stupid, though, because he has performed well in short bursts before. If a good coach can just find some way to harness it you never know...

    It is irrelevant whether he can be good or not, though, because he is already average while Troy sucks. A new coach would rather have an average QB than a crappy one. Alex's past will have no effect on whether or not he stays
    Then why even bring up that scenario in the discussion? It's pointless. Why would acting like it's impossible for Alex to perform like Brees or Rivers stupid? Just because you don't want to believe it?

    Both Troy and Alex suck. Let's get that straight. Alex is not average. But having this discussion is pointless like I said because you still believe Alex will be good. His past will have an effect on whether he stays or not. My $100 offer still stands.

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