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    Re-sign/Let Go

    Alex Smith- let go
    Troy Smith-let go
    David Baas-re-sign 3/15
    Aubrayo Franklin- re sign 4/26
    Ray McDonald-re sign 2/3
    Manny Lawson-let go
    Takeo Spikes-1/5
    Dashon Goldson-let go
    Brian Westbrook-let go
    Moran Norris-let go
    re-sign Barry Sims 1/1

    Free Agency

    Sign OG Davin Joseph to 5/35
    Sign WR Braylon Edwards to 3/24
    Sign RB Darren Sproles to 4/15
    Sign S Dawan Landry to 3/16


    Draft

    Trade 4th round(no 18 in round) to Bengals for QB Carson Palmer.
    Trade 1st(7th overall) to San Diego for 1st rounder(18th overall and 3rd rounder(82nd overall)

    1st round(18)- Aldon Smith, OLB Missouri, 6'5 260

    The most important part component of a successful 3-4 defense is the ability to get pass rush form the OLB spots. Smith brings that ability to the 9ers. Freakish athlete with an impressive quickness and suddenness, Smith becomes an instant starter from day 1.

    Here's a vid on Smith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSG8E...eature=related

    2nd Round(45)- Brandon Burton, CB Utah, 6' 185

    Burton is a solid cornerback with decent size, good speed and quick hips. Accelerates quickly and and has good technique in coverage. Needs to work on support in the run game. Here's a vid of him vs Jonathan Baldwin of Pitt.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY5elGqb7Zc

    3rd Round(76)-Pat Devlin, QB Delware, 6'4 220

    Harbaugh gets his quarterback in Devlin as a sleeper. Devlin is a quarterback who will need some adjustment coming from the spread, but his uncanny accuracy and lightning quick release will pay off for him. Has a decent arm and can make all the throws. Needs to work on pocket presence and his sense of when to get rid of it. Here's a vid of him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkPzmE0__7A

    3rd round(82)-Brooks Reed, OLB Arizona 6'3 262
    Reed has been tearing the senior bowl up and has potential as a rusher in a 3-4. Little bit on the optimistic side that he'll be available this late at 82 but hey, stranger things have happened. Has a relentles smotor and will give the defense an attitude that it is lacking.

    4th(107) Stanley Havili, FB USC 6'1 225
    Harbaugh drafts a former Pac 10 foe in havili to be his WCO fullback. Havili is an instant matchup problem with his speed and ability to catch out of the backfield.

    5th(138) Sione Fua, NT Stanford 6'2 306
    Harbaugh gets at least one of his old players to add valuable depth to the defensive line

    6th(169) Jordan White WR, Western Michigan, 6'1 215
    Remember Arnaz Battle? This looks to be a reincarnation, minus the college QB experiment. Great toughness and ability to break tackles, while also displaying good body control and tough grabs in traffic. Lacks deep speed. Perfect guy for the slot in the NFL and a good value pick. Here's a vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhk7P_PCDOI

    6th(185) Allen Bradford, RB USC 5'11 235
    Bradford is an intriguing guy in the later rounds with his power runing style and his quick feet with his body type. Has an acceleration and a different gear when shooting through the hole. Doesn't have any experience catching the football and is sloppy in pass protection. Here's a vid
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfcSvZ5akTc

    7th(201) Greg McElroy, QB Alabama 6'3 225

    Draft Pat Devlin's future backup.


    Cut/restructure
    Cut Chilo Rachal
    Cut Parys Haralson
    Restructure Nate Clements
    Cut David Carr

    Depth Chart

    QB
    Palmer
    Devlin
    McElRoy

    HB
    Gore
    Sproles
    Dixon
    Bradford(PS)

    FB
    Havili


    WR
    Crabtree
    Edwards
    Morgan
    Ginn
    White
    Williams

    TE
    Davis
    Walker
    Byham

    LT
    Staley
    Barry Sims

    LG
    Iupati
    Wragge

    C
    Baas
    Heittman

    RG
    Joseph
    Snyder

    RT
    Davis
    Boone

    LDT
    Soap
    McDonald

    NT
    Franklin
    Jean-Francois
    Fua

    RDT
    Smith
    Evans

    SAM
    Brooks
    Reed

    TED
    Spikes
    Bowman

    MIKE
    Willis
    Krstic

    WILL
    Al. Smith
    Gibson

    CB
    Spencer
    Burton
    Clements
    Brown
    Adams

    FS
    R. Smith
    Taylor

    SS
    Landry
    Mays

    K
    Nedney

    P
    Andy Lee

    LS
    Brian Jennings

  • #2
    Release / Trade / Let Leave -

    QB Troy Smith
    QB David Carr
    FB Moran Norris
    OG Chilo Rachal
    DE Ray McDonald
    ILB Takeo Spikes
    CB Nate Clements
    CB Shawntae Spencer
    FS Dashon Goldson
    K Joe Nedney

    Re-sign -

    QB Alex Smith
    RB Brian Westbrook
    C David Baas
    OT Barry Sims
    OLB Manny Lawson
    K Jeff Reed

    Franchise -

    NT Aubrayo Franklin

    Free Agency (if available) -

    QB Matt Hasselbeck (veteran backup)
    OG Logan Mankins
    OLB LaMarr Woodley
    ILB David Harris
    CB Richard Marshall
    FS O.J. Atogwe

    Highly unlikely that Mankins, Woodley and Harris will hit UFA but if any of them do (especially Mankins), I would definitely go all out for them.

    Draft -

    1) CB Patrick Peterson, CB Prince Amukamara, QB Jake Locker, WR A.J. Green and OLB Von Miller are my top five as of right now but free agency will play a huge part in who we'll draftin the first round.

    I would definitely use mid round draft picks on NT Sione Fua and FB Owen Marecic with the hope that Marecic can be our starting FB and that Fua will be a role player and replacement for Franklin in 2012.

    Back to QB wise, I think the smartest bet is to re-sign Alex Smith because he'll be cheap, given a clean slate under Harbaugh and trading away a draft pick plus pay a lot of money for a veteran like McNabb or Palmer is just something I wouldnt do. Future wise, if both top CB's are gone by 7, I draft Locker to hopefully be our franchise QB. Worse case scenario is that we wait until next year's draft and since some people here would have given up a future first rounder plus a second and a third rounder for Luck this year, I would probably just give up the entire 2012 draft for him but keep all my future draft picks but thats also based on what happens this off-season in regards to QB and other positions. If by some miracle, we can get Mankins, Marshall and Atogwe with a possible pass rushing OLB in round two, Peterson/Prince at 7, Bowman to replace Spikes and the draft Fua, Marecic as well as a backup 3-4 DE and another backup ILB and CB, I think going into 2012, the only position that we would need would once again be QB and I figure that if all other positions are filled for at least the next five or so years, sacrificing an entire draft for Luck wouldnt hurt us at all if thats the only starting position that we need.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
      Release / Trade / Let Leave -

      QB Troy Smith
      QB David Carr
      FB Moran Norris
      OG Chilo Rachal
      DE Ray McDonald
      ILB Takeo Spikes
      CB Nate Clements
      CB Shawntae Spencer
      FS Dashon Goldson
      K Joe Nedney

      Re-sign -

      QB Alex Smith
      RB Brian Westbrook
      C David Baas
      OT Barry Sims
      OLB Manny Lawson
      K Jeff Reed

      Franchise -

      NT Aubrayo Franklin

      Free Agency (if available) -

      QB Matt Hasselbeck (veteran backup)
      OG Logan Mankins
      OLB LaMarr Woodley
      ILB David Harris
      CB Richard Marshall
      FS O.J. Atogwe

      Highly unlikely that Mankins, Woodley and Harris will hit UFA but if any of them do (especially Mankins), I would definitely go all out for them.

      Draft -

      1) CB Patrick Peterson, CB Prince Amukamara, QB Jake Locker, WR A.J. Green and OLB Von Miller are my top five as of right now but free agency will play a huge part in who we'll draftin the first round.

      I would definitely use mid round draft picks on NT Sione Fua and FB Owen Marecic with the hope that Marecic can be our starting FB and that Fua will be a role player and replacement for Franklin in 2012.

      Back to QB wise, I think the smartest bet is to re-sign Alex Smith because he'll be cheap, given a clean slate under Harbaugh and trading away a draft pick plus pay a lot of money for a veteran like McNabb or Palmer is just something I wouldnt do. Future wise, if both top CB's are gone by 7, I draft Locker to hopefully be our franchise QB. Worse case scenario is that we wait until next year's draft and since some people here would have given up a future first rounder plus a second and a third rounder for Luck this year, I would probably just give up the entire 2012 draft for him but keep all my future draft picks but thats also based on what happens this off-season in regards to QB and other positions. If by some miracle, we can get Mankins, Marshall and Atogwe with a possible pass rushing OLB in round two, Peterson/Prince at 7, Bowman to replace Spikes and the draft Fua, Marecic as well as a backup 3-4 DE and another backup ILB and CB, I think going into 2012, the only position that we would need would once again be QB and I figure that if all other positions are filled for at least the next five or so years, sacrificing an entire draft for Luck wouldnt hurt us at all if thats the only starting position that we need.
      The Alexcuse era is OVER.... Bringing him back would keep us in mediocrity.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PatrickWillis View Post
        The Alexcuse era is OVER.... Bringing him back would keep us in mediocrity.
        I think he means for Alex to hold down the fort for a year or two, or less, while we find a QBOTF. Palmer is not much better than Alex right now, if at all, anyway.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
          I think he means for Alex to hold down the fort for a year or two, or less, while we find a QBOTF. Palmer is not much better than Alex right now, if at all, anyway.
          I don't disagree that Alex isn't [I]significantly[I] worse than Palmer, but we've had 6 years of Alexcuse and I'm just tired of him. A change of scenery for both parties would do wonders.

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          • #6
            ^^^^^

            Exactly. Just a one year deal until we would go after Luck. We're in no man's land right now. Trading for a veteran QB like McNabb ($12m) or Palmer ($10m) would be nuts in terms of contract, salary and trade compensation. A 4th rounder for Broncos QB Kyle Orton, Buccaneers Josh Johnson, Eagles Kevin Kolb or Packers Matt Flynn would be good but at the same time, I think that Flynn has the best chance at being a long term franchise QB. Johnson has barely if at all even played, Kolb isnt much if any better than Alex and Orton is a UFA in 2012 and is due to earn $8.379m in 2011 including a $1.5m roster bonus according to Rotoworld.com. To me, thats too much money for one year.

            Flynn would only cost $550,000 and is a UFA in 2012 but at that cheap of a price also makes it more likely the Packers will keep him. Johnson would cost $597,000 and would also be an UFA in 2012 but I consider him t be in the same regard as Flynn. Kolb would cost $1.392m and will also be an UFA in 2012. I consider all of them to be in the same area. A cheap backup for the team that they're currently with. Johnson would be the best bet because his value is low and would be the cheapest to get without any long term guarantees.

            It should be interesting to say the least. But looking at the team, it all depends on what happens in UFA and in regards to Alex, Troy and David going into the Draft. There could always be a draft day trade too but at the same time, I would much rather see them trade for one of the above QB's in March instead of late April so that player would have more time to learn and get adjusted.

            My fantasy starters for 2011 as of right now would look like this -

            QB - Alex Smith (one year only because like I said, I would go all out for Luck which is why I care more about solving other positions now instead of later)
            RB - Gore
            FB - Marecic (R)
            WR - Crabtree, Morgan
            TE - Davis
            LT - Staley
            LG - Iupati
            C - Baas
            RG - Mankins (will probably be franchised but if he hits UFA, I 100% go after him first and foremost. 5 years/$35m no problem here)
            RT - Davis

            DE - Smith
            NT - Franklin (franchise tag)
            DE - Sopoaga
            OLB - Lawson (re-signed)
            ILB - Willis
            ILB - Bowman (I would love David Harris and think that there's a chance he could hit UFA depending on what the Jets do with Cromartie, Holmes, Edwards and others. If he does, I would definitely go after him)
            OLB - This is really the only spot that im not sure about. Would love Woodley (as im sure everyone here does) but its highly unlikely. A pass rushing OLB in the 2nd makes the most sense especially with Haralson being average and Brooks better suited as a situational pass rusher who'll also be an UFA in 2012)
            CB - Marshall (UFA), Peterson/Prince (R, I honestly think that unless Marshall re-signs with CAR, he'll test out the market. My plan would be this, I offer him a 5 year/$35m contract which if anything would overpay him but if im able to sign him, I release Clements while still having Spencer. If im able to draft Peterson/Prince, Spencer gets released the next day. The money that Clements is scheduled to make the next years is only $2m less than what Marshall would get paid over five years so it basically evens out. Spencer is at $4m or something like that so while Peterson/Prince at 7 would cost more, he's also far younger and has a much bigger upside)
            SS - Mays
            FS - Atogwe (UFA, if the Rams dont pick up the $8m option bonus, he'll become an UFA and while he'll be 30 in June which is older than I would prefer, he'll be pretty cheap, a playmaker that we've needed for a long time, an upgrade over Goldson and the veteran of the secondary)
            K - Reed (re-signed)
            P - Lee

            When you think about it, the position we need the most (QB) is just like 2005 all over again - the weakest that's available in the Draft or via trade/free agency and with that being the case, I would much rather solve other needed positions in order to go after Luck in 2012 and not worry about sacrificing the entire draft to get him because every other starting position would be filled and we would still have some quality backup depth which is why I also go after a 3-4 DE, an ILB and another CB in the draft starting third round and on. Add in Fua and Marecic and I think that would cover our picks for this year.

            For 2012, according to ninercaphell.com, below are our free agents -

            QB David Carr (would be gone now)
            RB Frank Gore
            FB Moran Norris (see Carr)
            WR Josh Morgan (re-sign, if demands are too high, bye bye)
            WR Ted Ginn (re-sign, cheap)
            WR Dominique Zeigler (re-sign, cheaper)
            TE Colin Cloherty (gone)
            C Eric Heitmann (gone)
            OG Adam Snyder (re-sign)
            OG Chilo Rachal (gone)
            OT Alex Boone (re-sign, cheap)
            DE Isaac Sopoaga (see Morgan)
            OLB Ahmad Brooks (see Sopoaga)
            OLB Keaton Kristick (gone)
            ILB Alex Joseph (gone)
            CB Tramaine Brock (cheap abckup depth, if not, gone)
            SS Reggie Smith (re-sign, cheap)
            FS Chris Maragos (gone)
            FS C.J. Spillman (gone)
            K Joe Nedney (would already be gone since I would choose Reed over him)

            Would also have to include Alex Smith since I would have him for 2011 under a one year deal but he would be gone too so it wouldnt matter.

            Top tier free agent would obviously be Gore with others like Morgan, Ginn, Zeigler, Snyder, Sopoaga, Brooks and Smith being second to third tier free agents. Gore would be a must re-sign. Snyder would be second on my list. Morgan would depend on contract demands. Sopoaga would be the same and if too much, would let walk since I would have drafted his potential replacement a year earlier (2011 3rd rounder). Zeigler would be cheap to keep followed by Ginn since he's not worth a lot of money. Brooks would depend on how he improves in 2011. He's still just a situational pass rusher. If his contract demands arent high, would keep, if not, bye bye. Smith should be a cheap backup to sign.

            When you think about it, going into 2012, the only major free agent would be Gore. Going into an off-season with only one major free agent is pretty good and while Morgan and Sopoaga are starters, they're replaceable.

            And yeah, I know that everyone is going to tell me to stop playing ESPN NFL 2K5 but thats what my long term plan would be. To solve a lot of the secondary weaknesses this off-season while focusing on Luck in 2012 as well as Gore.

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            • #7
              Bama's QB doesn't scream starter to me from day one . Palmer is staying in Cincy . I like Edwards pick up for WR . Devlin didn't show any signs of good QB backing in his east / west game except for mobility . I also like how you guys address the whole defense thing but we still need a LONG TERM QB not a stop gap . Stop trying to pick up guys who are later rounds and spend a 2nd or first round on a QB on Stanzi , Dalton or Locker and just be done with it .Then go later rounds in a WR and Defense . Love all the effort tho .

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tebowfan85 View Post
                Bama's QB doesn't scream starter to me from day one . Palmer is staying in Cincy . I like Edwards pick up for WR . Devlin didn't show any signs of good QB backing in his east / west game except for mobility . I also like how you guys address the whole defense thing but we still need a LONG TERM QB not a stop gap . Stop trying to pick up guys who are later rounds and spend a 2nd or first round on a QB on Stanzi , Dalton or Locker and just be done with it .Then go later rounds in a WR and Defense . Love all the effort tho .
                1 game, and an all star game with unfamilar receivers at that, does not make a QB. Devlin has a lightning quick release and is deadly accurate. There will be an adjustment period with him taking snaps under center and learning a pro-style offense, but the upside is there.

                I like Dalton and Stanzi, but I like Devlin a bit more than them. Locker is all athlete and will not be a successful QB in the NFL.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PatrickWillis View Post
                  I don't disagree that Alex isn't [I]significantly[I] worse than Palmer, but we've had 6 years of Alexcuse and I'm just tired of him. A change of scenery for both parties would do wonders.
                  I won't argue with you on the "Alexcuse" moniker or the so-called 6 years, it has been done to death, but I don't see why everyone thinks it would be such a big deal if he stays. As long as the coaching staff makes it clear that he is just a temporary starter I don't think the fans will care all that much, except maybe fans who irrationally hate Alex like Ness ;).
                  Last edited by abaddon41_80; 01-28-2011, 06:23 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                    Release / Trade / Let Leave -

                    Back to QB wise, I think the smartest bet is to re-sign Alex Smith because he'll be cheap, given a clean slate under Harbaugh
                    Non-Alex hater here, but Alex Smith in a 49ers uniform next year is not a clean slate for him or the team. This is all played out. New HC. New philosphy. He needs to go. For his sake and for ours. I dont think Alex will want to stay anyways...

                    You seem to have hitched your wagon to the hope that we'll somehow be able to draft Andrew Luck next year. As I've said before, you better be hoping we finish with the worst record in the league next year or its not gonna happen.

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                    • #11
                      There's no way we're getting Andrew Luck, period. It's time to move on. I absolutely love him but it's not realistic, especially after the new CBA where rookies will be cheap. Unless we're picking in the top 5, the price for him would be astronomical. I'm talking like 3 first rounds picks as the starting price with a lot more added on. Even if we traded from #7 to #1 like where we are now it would have been like three 1sts or 2 1sts and 2nds just as the starting point.

                      I guess if Harbaugh doesn't improve the team at all we have a shot but even if he is just merely competent, the team is going to have to improve and knock us out of consideration.

                      Matt Barkley is in next year's draft too and I don't think he's that far behind Luck as a prospect. Maybe he'll slip a little, but I doubt that much.

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                      • #12
                        I just want a QB who can compete enough for us to at least get into the playoffs dang it.Either be threw the draft of FA.We have all of the other talent in key positions.But we need to find some how.I still don't Devlin shown any positive out that East/West game sorry .We need a QB with a little bit more age and experience.Like I said before I like Dalton or Stanzi in round two both QB 's had a good senior bowl week,

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tebowfan85 View Post
                          I just want a QB who can compete enough for us to at least get into the playoffs dang it.Either be threw the draft of FA.We have all of the other talent in key positions.But we need to find some how.I still don't Devlin shown any positive out that East/West game sorry .We need a QB with a little bit more age and experience.Like I said before I like Dalton or Stanzi in round two both QB 's had a good senior bowl week,
                          So you're going to judge a QB based on 1 game with receivers he doesn't have timing with? Outstanding. Maybe we should just trade for Tim Tebow? That guy is SOLID!

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                          • #14
                            Carson Palmer for a 4th? Explain how this improves the Bengals. Mike Brown isn't gonna trade him cuz he's a distraction. He could give a rats ass about chemistry.

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                            • #15
                              I think it would be a lofty expectation to think Lamar Woodley would leave the Steelers to come here.I think Tamba Hali is a much more realistic target.Also not a fan really, of any of the first round QB options. I would rather draft a guy in round 3-4 and possible grab a guy like Senica Wallace via free agency.Although we all must remember that without a CBA in place there will be no trades or FA period.Thus the way the draft will pan out could be severally impacted.

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