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  • My Money Is On Crabtree at #4

    Call it a hunch, call it wishful thinking, call it whatever you'd like.

    If you connect the dots, all trails lead to us getting Crabs in the near future.

    Peter King and Gil Brandt have both stated that we will either select Sanchez or Crabtree.

    I have reason to believe the interest in Sanchez is a smokescreen.

    My reason: I want Crabtree.

    Seriously, check out this article and think how it relates to what we've been doing...

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09...s&confirm=true

    My rationale for TR keeping the interest in Crabtree a secret? Simple. If he didn't, the Browns would simply call up the Chiefs, forfeit a 2nd or 3rd and leapfrog us, select Crab, trade Edwards for more picks, and go about their draft still with a bunch of picks and many options. By presenting the illusion that we're looking at Sanchez, KC can't find a trading partner at #3 because everyone thinks Crab is going to fall.

    Ruskell put a video on NFL.com and in it they never once spoke about WRs. He's had everyone in for a visit EXCEPT Crabtree. He went to the UGA pro day. He's playing everyone. I'm telling you- he's playing everyone.

    Crabtree will be the pick. You heard it here first.

    If I am wrong, then please buy me a Sanchez jersey to cheer me up.
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    i think it will be either curry or crabtree, and i say curry only because of hill not having a deal worked out yet and if we dont get a deal worked out with him we go from lb as one of our strengths to now one of our weaknesses, and as far as sanchez i think it is smokescreen because if you think about it the rumors started when the browns were thinking of getting rid of quinn and mangini wanting his "own guy" so maybe he was trying to get denver to move up to four so the browns couldnt get him, just a thought idk haha

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    • #3
      As you said, Crabtree hasn't been in for a visit, but Sanchez, Curry, and Beanie Wells all have been. Crabtree has scheduled visits with 4 teams, but not with the Seahawks. I seriously doubt that they aren't going to visit the person that they are going to select, and so far I have not been able to find any articles reporting Crabtree and the Seahawks meeting. I've looked, believe me. But all I've found is speculation saying that the Seahawks should take Crabtree and why he's such a good fit and on and on.

      The thing that I look at though, is Crabtree mentally prepared for the NFL? I don't think he is, and recently I've heard questions about his character. We all know Ruskell's aversion to bringing in guys with character concerns.

      Curry would be nice, but LB's don't protect your franchise QB, and our LB's haven't gotten to opposing team's QB's lately, so you have t question how wise of a decision it would be to take someone who may not be the best long term solution for the team.

      Personally, I think they need to take Monroe. He can replace Wahle at LG immediately, and then we don't have to worry about Locklear sliding over to LT. It would be a huge mistake. Locklear is not a LT of the caliber of Walter Jones, and he will never be. They need a franchise LT for the future.

      The question the Seahawks have to ask themselves when they are picking is, draft to win now, future be damned (Crabtree or Curry, because LB and WR are not positions that take teams to the Super Bowl, see the Cardinals and San Francisco) or assume you have enough talent to win now and future proof the team (Monroe or Sanchez).

      I personally believe that they have to future proof this team, because I honestly expect Hasselbeck and Jones to both end the season of the IR. Back's and knee's are things that seem to never fully recover unless your young. Neither of them are. Hasselbeck is the one I'm more worried about, because once you have a bad back, it never truly recovers, I know, I've seen my parents who both have bad backs. Just one wrong move and he could be out for a long time.

      Am I the only one who believes that they are seriously thinking about drafting Wells?
      Last edited by summond822; 04-21-2009, 12:34 PM.
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      • #4
        I think they will select Sanchez over Crabtree if they have a choice, but I think they don't need either player....especially with the kind of money they will have to pay to a potential non starter and injured player.

        Sanchez would'nt see playing time for 2 years possibly and the Hawks already have big money tied to Housh and Branch and they have Burleson as the 3rd WR. No room to pay big money to a rookie at the WR spot.


        The Hawks picking Crabtree would be dumber than them picking Sanchez....
        Last edited by Dark Knight01; 04-21-2009, 03:36 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dark Knight01 View Post
          I think they will select Sanchez over Crabtree if they have a choice, but I think they don't need either player....especially with the kind of money they will have to pay to a potential non starter and injured player.

          Sanchez would'nt see playing time for 2 years possibly and the Hawks already have big money tied to Housh and Branch and they have Burleson as the 3rd WR. No room to pay big money to a rookie at the WR spot.


          The Hawks picking Crabtree would be dumber than them picking Sanchez....
          Locklear and Jones are both making LT money. Hasselbeck is making 5.25 million and something like 6 million next year and we will have to pay Sanchez more than Matt Ryan money to sit on the bench for two years. Then of course we have a lot of money tied up in our receivers. Whoever we pick it's going to look bad financially, so it's a moot point in my opinion.

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          • #6
            I feel like you guys gotta hope that KC passes on Curry then because for that kind of money, you better be getting a starter from Day 1...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by cdf_2108 View Post
              I feel like you guys gotta hope that KC passes on Curry then because for that kind of money, you better be getting a starter from Day 1...
              Sorry, but no. Did you see how far having the best 4-3 linebacking core in the NFL got us last year?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by summond822 View Post
                As you said, Crabtree hasn't been in for a visit, but Sanchez, Curry, and Beanie Wells all have been. Crabtree has scheduled visits with 4 teams, but not with the Seahawks. I seriously doubt that they aren't going to visit the person that they are going to select, and so far I have not been able to find any articles reporting Crabtree and the Seahawks meeting. I've looked, believe me. But all I've found is speculation saying that the Seahawks should take Crabtree and why he's such a good fit and on and on.
                You obviously didn't read the great article linked in my initial post.

                I'll post it again: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09...s&confirm=true

                Most teams use their 30 "official" visits for posturing and smokescreening. I believe Ruskell is completely in on this charade.
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                • #9
                  More Crab-smoke from the NY Daily News:

                  It could also mean they’re suddenly buying the increased chatter that the Seattle Seahawks could take Crabtree at 4 — a very strong possibility, I was told from an NFL source — leaving the Browns with the guy they’re reportedly “in love” with.
                  http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/gia...nicks-mas.html
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by gpngc View Post
                    You obviously didn't read the great article linked in my initial post.

                    I'll post it again: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09...s&confirm=true

                    Most teams use their 30 "official" visits for posturing and smokescreening. I believe Ruskell is completely in on this charade.
                    Your link didn't work for me there, is it the piece by Kirwin? Cause if it is, one of the key pieces in that article is "prospects suddenly had their visits cancelled." As far as I know, Crabtree never had a visit scheduled with the Hawks, let alone one canceled.

                    Also, the Seahawks had dinner with Sanchez in LA, so if there is definately some interest there.

                    I'm personally far more concerned about Crabtree's mental make-up right now. There are numerous people who have questioned whether or not he has the work ethic to be a great WR in the NFL.

                    Also, since every single position that they have the option of picking makes no financial sense at all because of the money they have tied up in other positions, with the exception of running back (I think I have paranoia concerning Beanie Wells to the Seahawks...). You gotta go LT. If Monroe is good enough, he will play from day one, probably on the interior at LG.

                    At the end of the day, Locklear is not a LT! I do not want to see this team have another relapse from losing Walter Jones, like we did with Steve Hutchison. They do not have the talent on the roster to adequately replace Jones, so drafting Monroe is at the top of my board.
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                    • #11
                      The gist of the article is that official visits and dinners with prospects are all about posturing and planting seeds of deceit. Kelly Jennings said the Seahawks showed little interest in him after he was drafted. TR has never had any of his high draft picks in for visits previously. Of course it's a bit different at #4, but the point is we've done everything to show that we're NOT thinking about Crabtree and we ARE thinking about Sanchez. It just fits so perfectly with the concept of the article. You pointing out that we've visited with Sanchez and have never had Crab in is just adding to argument that this article may be completely relevant to our situation as it pertains to Crab.

                      These are the three main points:

                      1. Don't visit the guy you really want, visit a few players you have little interest in and send people speculating about your plans.
                      A number of players have told me they had a visit cancelled. Freeman told me his visit to the Jets was cancelled because they had all the information they needed on him. Does that mean they have lost interest in him or that they don't want to draw attention to him?
                      We've had Curry and Wells in for visits. We've made it obnoxiously obvious that we're interested in a QB (Staff at UGA/USC pro day, multiple meetings with Sanchez, leaks about interest in Sanchez, Ruskell alluding to the fact that we're OK with Sanchez's character in an interview).

                      2. Get a solid young veteran extended a day or two before the draft to end any interest in a player from the same position.
                      One year we extended running back Adrian Murrell about an hour before the draft when everyone believed we would be taking a running back at the top of the second round. Once we got Murrell signed to a four-year extension, our interest in another back went away. We were serious about taking a back and we let it be known in the media (which may have convinced Murrell to lock down a deal).
                      I mean we haven't done this, but the Housh signing is similar to this...

                      3. Have the head coach go to a pro day or have a late private workout with a candidate.
                      This kind of news spreads like wildfire, and the natural conclusion is that there's real interest. The Broncos are hosting Sanchez this week, and now the speculation is that the Broncos are going to take him. They might fall in love with the USC quarterback, but they might just be gathering information about Sanchez for a future date or maybe they really like Freeman.

                      Ruskell at the pro days.

                      Seriously, Crabtree's MENTAL MAKE-UP? What? Who's questioning it? I don't even want an answer.

                      Monroe is good enough, he will play from day one, probably on the interior at LG.
                      Monroe cannot play guard and would not be a good fit at RT. He's not an ideal RT because while a very good pass protector, he's not a strong run blocker. He's not a good ZBS RT because he doesn't get to the second level. If, in the off chance we took him, he'd probably be put at RT, Lock moved inside as an overpaid OG, and our run-blocking would suffer immediately.

                      At the end of the day, Locklear is not a LT!
                      You don't know that. And the Seahawks disagree with you. That's why they paid him big $- to be the heir apparent to Walter Jones. You don't pay S. Locklear that kind of money to play guard. Ruskell explained this a few days ago. Plus, Lock played LT at NC State and has never been a liability as a pass protector.
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                      • #12
                        We did meet with Crabtree
                        http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/seah...0375#more40375

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cicero View Post
                          Thanks for posting that Cicero, other than media posturing, I haven't been able to find anything reliable on Crabtree. Course, Crabtree returning kicks if just asking for an epic fail...

                          What is up with Crabtree saying that he can run under a 4.4 all the time...does he think people actually believe that?

                          gpngc: Doesn't it also say to leak stuff to the media so that everyone thinks your interested in a player and then take someone who they have showed no interest in? So, shouldn't you be taking all of this increased media attention around Crabtree with a grain of salt?

                          The point of extending a veteran before the draft is so that you don't have to take a player at that position.

                          People are questioning why Crabtree, who's only question was his speed, wasn't prepared to run a 40 at the combine. It was the only queston mark on his resume and he wasn't prepared. He managed to get a legitamate excuse, but if he wouldn't have had the foot injury, he probably would have taken a lot more heat for not running. You have to question his work ethic if he wasn't getting ready for really the only thing people wanted to see from him.

                          Last thing on Crabtree, where would he play? We do not have a need for a top tier WR. We have a very, very good WR core, all we need is depth. We also have a lot of money tied up in that position. Burleson and Branch have a couple of years left on their deal, and are expected to be back to full strength this season. Unless you cut one of them to get Crabtree in the line up, or run 4 WR sets, he is not going to be seeing the field very often. We already have 3 guys who compliment each other really well. Housh (possession), Branch (YAC), and Burleson (playmaker) are going to do fine, so I really have trouble believing the Seahawks take Crabtree.

                          Also, you said yourself, teams ignore the player that they are most interested in. The Seahawks met with Jason Smith at the combine and haven't talked to him since. Not sure on Eugene Monroe, but Smith definitely applies to your theory on Crabtree.

                          If an offensive linemen is good enough, they will find a place for him, simple as that. If Monroe is their pick, he will play immediately. Last year, everyone said that Jake Long couldn't play LT, look at what he did in his first year in Miami. If they want Monroe to play G, he will play G. One thing they may do on draft day, they may try to trade Locklear on draft day.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cicero View Post
                            Beat me to it but heres another one from nfl, check the bottom of the page


                            http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09...s&confirm=true

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                            • #15
                              gpngc: Doesn't it also say to leak stuff to the media so that everyone thinks your interested in a player and then take someone who they have showed no interest in? So, shouldn't you be taking all of this increased media attention around Crabtree with a grain of salt?
                              Our interest in Crabtree has been FAR more subtle than our interest in Sanchez. Us Crab proponents had to dig. And it hasn't been consistent at all. King and Brandt just brought it up this week.

                              You have to question his work ethic if he wasn't getting ready for really the only thing people wanted to see from him.
                              A) He was coming off an injury so couldn't work out until the 11th hour.
                              B) He worked out with the stress fracture and didn't even know it. Playing through the injury. That's decent work ethic. You don't just wake up one day and become a great WR to score 40 TDs in your first two years a wide receiver at the FBS level. His work ethic is fine. The kid is a flat-out special athlete (Bob Knight recruited him to play PG). He's not Mike Williams.

                              Last thing on Crabtree, where would he play? We do not have a need for a top tier WR. We have a very, very good WR core, all we need is depth. We also have a lot of money tied up in that position. Burleson and Branch have a couple of years left on their deal, and are expected to be back to full strength this season. Unless you cut one of them to get Crabtree in the line up, or run 4 WR sets, he is not going to be seeing the field very often. We already have 3 guys who compliment each other really well. Housh (possession), Branch (YAC), and Burleson (playmaker) are going to do fine, so I really have trouble believing the Seahawks take Crabtree.
                              This is your only legitimate argument against selecting Crab at #4. But you go on to say "Monroe will play." I say "Crab will play". It's much easier to put a natural flanker in the slot than a natural LT at RG. And I still think there's a chance we release Branch. I was one of the few who alluded to us getting rid of JP earlier in the offseason. It's still possible. PLUS- where's he gonna play THIS YEAR? Again- that's a decent point. But you're outlook is so short-sighted. All our WRs are old, injury-prone, or terrible. That is a fact. Crab may not be the best pick for THIS SEASON. But our #4 pick definitely won't be best for THIS SEASON because of the long-term financial commitment you want someone who's going to be an impact player for the FUTURE. QB or Crab is that. If we really wanted the guy to help us the most THIS SEASON, we'd go with a RB or Alex Mack and pay them 60+ mil. They'd step in right away and help the team more than Sanchez or Crab would, but that's just not a good decision for the long-term health of your franchise.

                              Also, you said yourself, teams ignore the player that they are most interested in. The Seahawks met with Jason Smith at the combine and haven't talked to him since. Not sure on Eugene Monroe, but Smith definitely applies to your theory on Crabtree.
                              You're correct. And if the Rams do take Monroe over Smith, I'll concede that there's a lot better chance that we'll go OT at #4. But in all likelihood, Smith is going #2 which makes your point moot.

                              If they want Monroe to play G, he will play G. One thing they may do on draft day, they may try to trade Locklear on draft day.
                              They are not stupid enough to want Monroe to play guard. You said in this thread that "Locklear isn't a LT!". That's not true because he has all the characteristics of a LT, is a proven professional and actually played LT. Eugene Monroe ISN'T a ZBS OG (or RT I'd argue)! is what I'm going to emphatically say. I'll concede that "you don't know that" is an acceptable rebuttal to my opinion because I've never seen him play guard but the projection is simply not pretty based on his strengths and weaknesses.

                              Locklear JUST signed a long-term extension and is coming off an injury so there is 0 chance he is traded.
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