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  • #16
    I think Andrew Luck has turned into my favorite draft-eligible quarterback this year. I also have the feeling that he's going to return to school for another year. With that in mind, here's how I feel about what the Seahawks need to address in next years draft:

    Offensive needs:

    Wideout. Mike Williams was drafted to be that kind of guy; it appears that he actually didn't completely flame out of the league a couple years ago, but whether or not he is going to show us the consistent demonstration of dominance that everyone expected of him when he was drafted is yet to be determined. Some of the issues in Seattle's passing game lie with the decline of Matt Hasselbeck, certainly. I guess what i'm getting at is that I think potentially Mike Williams could prove that wide receiver isn't a pressing need for us if he has a good season. He could turn out to be that big-bodied compliment we need opposite Deon Butler and Golden Tate. Talent-wise, that seems like a perfectly acceptable receiving corps, especially when you factor in our tight ends. Which could mean the front office directs its attention elsewhere in the first round, even if a Julio Jones or Jonathan Baldwin is available. That said, I'm a guy who is all for loading up on receivers, just for the simple fact that it makes it much easier for a QB when he's got more than one guy he can throw it up to while he crosses his fingers.

    Running Back With the acquisition of Marshawn Lynch, our backfield is no longer undersized. I actually liked Marshawn a lot when he first broke in with the Bills. I also liked that he and Justin Forsett were a terrific tandem back at Cal. I think there's potential here, like with the receiver position, for some of these newer faces to show that there aren't any glaring needs at the position. That said, like I also said above, if a guy like (well...particularly if) Mark Ingram is available when we pick, I'm going to be yelling at the TV for the 'Hawks to take him until Mr. Goodell reads the name off the card.

    Tight End Frankly, I think we're set at tight end. John Carlson has pro bowl potential, and I see Anthony McCoy as a bit of a Martellus Bennett-type backup who can come in on heavy packages and be a mismatch for a linebacker. I haven't seen enough of Cameron Morrah to be able to comment on him, really, but he seems like a decent enough player as well. If anything, I suppose the 'Hawks might be interested in a guy who can block a little better, but out of the three positions I've mentioned so far, I think tight end is by far the least unknown. I don't see the Seahawks drafting a tight end anything close to early.

    Offensive line I think it's obvious that this is place where a premium pick could be put to good use. I haven't had a chance to get too deeply into what prospects are going to be available, but just from a philosophical standpoint, I'd rather the Seahawks, given the personell they have right now, take a solid lineman in the first than Ryan Mallett. Just throwing that out there, because it's pretty easy to imagine Locker and (if he declares) Luck being gone before Mallett. Again: if it comes down to a lineman or Mallett, that's an easy choice for me. I'd rather just strengthen the point of attack and see who's available later or in the next draft than try to convince myself that Ryan Mallett is the guy who we can build a franchise around just because lots of people are talking about him and he happens to be on the board when we pick. I don't really know ho I got into this tangent while talking about our line problems, but...whatever. I think picking an offensive lineman for a team that's struggling on offense is a good move. Better than trying to plug a guy who's a little questionable into an offense that's definitely suspect as a whole.

    Quarterback Might as well expound on how I feel about our QB situation. I've never been a huge fan of Hasselbeck as a football player. I don't hate him; I've just never been more than lukewarm towards him. The 5 years the 'Hawks made the playoffs, he had an easy job; the running game was great, and he had Darrell Jackson, Bobby Engram, Nate Burleson, and Koren Robinson to throw to, among others. Now, it's not that those guys are All-Pro's, but each of them had at least one 1000-yard receiving season, which shows that Hasselback basically always had a variety of solid guys to throw to. And let's not forget that he had one of the best LG-LT tandems of all time in Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson. That's simply not the case right now, and it's not surprising in the least that Hasselbeck's play has declined. He's older and he doesn't have the weapons he used to. You can look at it as a combination of him being in a pretty favorable situation for a number of years as well as what is most likely a deteriorating skill set; I think he was a bit overrated because of the success of the teams he quarterbacked, but I don't necessarily think that the 'Hawks recent failures are as much to do with him than as the declining talent of the team itself. I don't think drafting a franchise QB is something that the 'Hawks must do this year, but I do think that it's something that they need to do very soon. I know that seems like a weird stance to have - if there had been a franchise guy there last year (I'm glad they didn't take Clausen) I would have approved of them taking a QB. But our QB situation, especially with Charlie Whitehurst in the wings, isn't one I feel is desperate. I mean, at least we aren't the Browns. I feel confident enough with Hasselbeck and Whitehurst that I would be cautious about reaching for someone I wasn't totally sold on in the first round.

    I don't really feel like going through the defense right now. I do think that taking a defensive player in the first is pretty likely, but perhaps I'll get into that later.
    Last edited by Caulibflower; 10-12-2010, 09:13 PM.

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    • #17
      If we don't move to a 3-4, we need a big-time DE first and foremost.

      If we do move to a 3-4 we need to figure out:
      a) if Dexter Davis or Chris Clemons can play OLB and start
      b) if Brandon Mebane can play NT

      So besides front seven on D, our needs are...

      1 - CB
      2 - Interior OL
      3 - WR

      and of course, we need to make a decision about Charlie Whitehurst...

      So basically, it's anyone's guess...

      Honestly, we'd be in amazing shape right now if we had taken Sanchez over Curry and never given up a 3rd round pick for Clipboard Jesus.
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      • #18
        I think we all agree that Hasselbeck is done. We need to find out what we have in Whitehurst, and if he stops us from taking a premier QB prospect, I am going to be pissed unless he turns to be amazing in his spot duty this year.

        Regardless, if there are still question marks about the QB situation, we need to take a pass rusher. Look at Brian Orakpo, thought to be too small to be an effective 4-3 DE, but he just gets to the QB. We need someone like that regardless of his whether we are in the 3-4 or the 4-3
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        • #19
          I think with the first pick we can just let the draft dictate which way to go. What i'm saying is just go BPA. If you have an AJ Green, Patrick Peterson or a Locker or a Luck there then you take one of those guys. In the second and third round you can then fill in the holes at D-line or WR.

          I think Locker trumps everything you do really, it looks like Luck is probably a lock to the Bills otherwise we could probably trade up some and take Jake. The northwest is in love with this guy and there is enough star potential there to justify taking him. If Jake Locker played for a team that could actually block and catch i think he wouldnt even be withing reach, now maybe.

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          • #20
            Here goes my defensive assessment.

            Defensive Line. I’m just going to talk about “D-line” in general, instead of tackles and ends, because it’s evident that we’re going to be using a hybrid scheme, not just “hybrid” players. I’ll talk about D-lineman when I mean, “the guys who are going to be hitting heads with the offensive line on every play and are primarily responsible for dictating the running game.” I’ll talk about pass-rushers later, because it’s becoming a different position than what I just described.

            Needless to say, we don’t have any star defensive linemen. I do think Brandon Mebane has some real potential, but I’m not sure how he’d play in a 3-4 front. Ideally, Carroll keeps enough 4-down packages in his repertoire that B.M. can keep playing his most natural position. I don’t know if he’s got what it takes to be a nose tackle. Jay Ratliff is proving that you don’t have to be 330 pounds to play nose tackle in the NFL, but he’s also 3 or 4 inches taller than Mebane. I don’t know what Mebane’s reach is, but it seems like having a guy with a relatively short wingspan in the middle of your defense, without another tackle next to him, wouldn’t be the best idea in theory. So I like Mebane, I don’t see a need to replace him, but I worry how effective he’ll be as the defense evolves. And…I was going to go through some of the other players, but after thinking about it I think it suffices to say that they’re pretty generic NFL players, and if there’s a chance to take a stud D-lineman to give other teams’ running games a hard time, we would be well justified to do so. I think it looks pretty hilarious to have Red Bryant playing DE, and he hasn’t been bad, but he just isn’t very fast off the edge, and he’s out of place in a 4-3. For 3-4 packages, I don’t have a problem with him at all. In fact, I think he’s one of our young players that could turn into a longtime starter…somewhere along the line. The fact that he can play end in a 4-3, at 330 or so, is an indication of pretty exceptional athletic ability.

            Pass-rushers. I think Chris Clemons has been a pleasant surprise to all of us. He’s got 4 sacks in 4 games, 2 each against San Diego and St. Louis. If he keeps that up, he’s going to get into the Pro Bowl discussion. He’s simply been effective. Of course, it’s always possible that he may never get another sack, but so far he’s been more of an “answer” than a “stopgap solution.” If he gets double-digit sacks for us this year, I say sign him to an extension and give him the chance to be a Seahawk for the rest of his career. My impression of him is that of an athletic player who hasn’t got to play a lot, and he’s actually only 28 right now despite having been in the NFL for 7 years. He’s still in his prime, and I don’t think he needs to be replaced. We’ve seen good things out of Dexter Davis so far, but with his size, my guess is that he’s going to make his living as a situational guy. And I don’t have a problem with that at all. I think we’ve got some good things going on with what we’ve got right now, but if we were to look for a need, I’d be looking for a guy who can play all 3 downs. Clemons and Davis are both of the “pure pass rusher” variety, and even though I like both of them, if might be a good idea if we can try to find a guy in the 265-275 pound range to really take the role of that strongside force, whether as a standup linebacker or a rush end. Oh, and I'm not even going to include Aaron Curry in this category. As nice as it would be, he just isn't a pass-rusher.

            Linebackers. You’d think this would be a strong point of the defense, but our linebacking corps has been uncomfortably average for a while. Tatupu is great, and I won’t say anything more about him. I like Hawthorne, but I don’t think he’s a guy you pass up an elite prospect for because you’re confident in him. The worst thing I’ll have to say about our linebackers is that I’m getting that sneaking suspicion that people are going to look back on Aaron Curry and think of him as a “really solid player,” but not a dominant one. And if only he hadn’t been the 4th overall pick, that would be OK. But because he was picked so high, anything less than being a Pro-Bowler is disappointing. I’m not really sure how that affects my stance on him, but… I guess I wouldn’t call linebacker a “need,” but it certainly isn’t a position that I feel we’re completely set at for the foreseeable future. I’d certainly take a talented outside ‘backer in round 2 or 3 if there was a good one available.

            Cornerback. We don’t have a shutdown cornerback. Unless you have a shutdown cornerback, you are always justified in picking a shutdown cornerback. That’s about all I have to say about this. Marcus Trufant is good, but aging. Kelly Jennings is average. Walter Thurmond III is talked about in terms of “potential” because no one knows what kind of NFL player he is yet. CB is probably my No. 1 need for the Seahawks right now.

            Strong Safety/Rover. In this hybrid defense, it appears that we’ll have this kind of player. Kam Chancellor looks pretty good in the role right now, but he definitely has more “rover” in him than “safety,” which is why he’s the backup to Laywer Milloy. I like him in that capacity, but I don’t know if he can be the starter opposite Earl Thomas. Strong Safeties don’t usually get taken in the first round, but this is another position that I’d have no problem with the ‘Hawks spending a 2nd-rounder on, need-wise.


            Free Safety. I believe I mentioned we have Earl Thomas.

            Kick Return. Leon Washington is an All-Pro. I only decided to add kick return to make the point that we no longer need to draft a guy because he “adds value in the return game,” although it certainly doesn’t hurt for a player to be versatile. I’ll let Golden Tate’s play speak for itself through the season before I say we should keep looking for a punt returner. He’s had a couple nice returns himself.

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            • #21
              So, in my opinion, the Seahawks need:

              1. Andrew Luck or Jake Locker.
              2. A top-flight cornerback.
              3. Offensive linemen.
              4. Defensive linemen.
              5. A safety to start opposite Earl Thomas.

              I'm a guy who likes to take the best player available in the first round or two, and then address needs. Like I said before, I'd be just fine with taking one of the top wideouts in the first, even though I don't think it's one of our top needs. If one of those two QBs is still on the board when we make our first pick, I think you have to make the call to draft him. So beyond the obvious need for a new QB or offensive playmaker, those are the 5 positions that I think need to be fortified in the offseason.

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              • #22
                The position that i was most worried about for us in the beginning of the season was de but im beginning to think our biggest need is cb, besides qb. Trufant is a good cb but he will never get back to his '07 form. Jennings is average and thurmond is a rookie so the jurys out on him. You can create a pass rush without a great pass rushing de, but you cant really make a corner better without always giving him safety help

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by HawkEye30 View Post
                  The position that i was most worried about for us in the beginning of the season was de but im beginning to think our biggest need is cb, besides qb. Trufant is a good cb but he will never get back to his '07 form. Jennings is average and thurmond is a rookie so the jurys out on him. You can create a pass rush without a great pass rushing de, but you cant really make a corner better without always giving him safety help
                  CB definitely needs to be addressed. Our pass defense has been pretty abysmal this year. Our much improved run d and pass rush has been able to help hide the problem, but if we play a good passing team who can protect their QB we're going to get torn apart.

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                  • #24
                    Luckily there are two stud CB's that can be had at the top to middle of the draft. I find it highly unlikely that two teams are going to need a CB in the top 10, leading to one to fall to us.

                    I personally don't care if it's Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara (what is up with the names at Nebraska???) they are both complete studs and could be lockdown corners for years.

                    Of course there is also that Dowling kid from Virginia who could be a solid late 1st round pick.
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                    • #25
                      Seeing Stanley Havili in Scott's Hot Prospects list reminded me that the 'Hawks really haven't had much at that position since Mack Strong left. I've liked Havili ever since he came to USC, and he fits in this offense. Hard not to like a fullback who blocks hard and catches well. He can run, too. I'd spend a mid-round pick on him for sure.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by summond822 View Post
                        Luckily there are two stud CB's that can be had at the top to middle of the draft. I find it highly unlikely that two teams are going to need a CB in the top 10, leading to one to fall to us.

                        I personally don't care if it's Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara (what is up with the names at Nebraska???) they are both complete studs and could be lockdown corners for years.

                        Of course there is also that Dowling kid from Virginia who could be a solid late 1st round pick.
                        My big board would probably look like this at the top:

                        Locker
                        Luck
                        Peterson
                        Akamura
                        A.J. Green
                        Julio Jones

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                        • #27
                          Alright this has kinda been dead for awhile. So if you could have anyone in this draft, who would it be? Regardless of where we are picking, basically who gives ya a woody in this draft?

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                          • #28
                            Andrew Luck obviously. Then:
                            A.J. Green
                            Prince Amukamara/Patrick Peterson
                            Da'Quon Bowers
                            Robert Quinn (if his off the field stuff doesn't translate to onfield)
                            Jake Locker
                            Justin Blackmon
                            Robert Kerrigan
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                            • #29
                              Positional needs:

                              1. Quarterback- Hasselbeck has been terrible. He has no ability to extend plays. If pressure gets to him, he either makes a terrible throw or else falls down. He needs to go. I have no confidence in Charlie Whitehurst, either. The few times he's been on the field, he looks scared to throw the football. Seattle needs to get on the ball and draft a quarterback. Luck'll be gone, Locker might be on the board. If Cam Newton is on the board when Seattle picks... I say take him. Maybe even over Locker, although I think it'll end up being one or the other on draft day; I don't think they'll both be on the board in the 10-range.

                              2. Cornerback-Our secondary is bad. We need a guy who can cover anyone. The End.

                              3. Wideout- I like the talent we've got, but I don't think we've got a "number one" on the roster. BMW provides some nice size out there, but he's still dropping some passes and lacks deep speed. Tate and Butler are guys I like, but they're both pretty small. If we could pick up AJ Green or another of the top wideouts, I'd be ok with that. This is a deep class, so I think receiver would be a good option in the second round, going on need.


                              We lost Unger early on this season, and Okung missed a bunch of time. So that's two of our best lineman out of action for substantial stretches of the season. I'm a fan of loading up on offensive linemen, but don't really consider it a "need" as of now. We just need our line to stay healthy. Following that thought, I don't think running back is an area which requires attention, either. Marshawn and Justin Forsett are a nice 1-2; they just had very little room to run this year. They both ran hard, but defenses were getting to them too fast.

                              And everyone and their grandmother is mocking us a defensive end. I am going to be pissed if we take a defensive end with our first pick. We do not need a defensive end. Our defense was adequate at getting to the passer this year. Not elite by any means, but not terrible. The coaching staff did a good job of being creative and using pressure packages. The problems we're having this year have almost everything to do with our offense being abysmal. They aren't giving the defense a chance to rest. Offense should be first priority in this draft.

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                              • #30
                                Oh, and I meant to mention Red Bryant's injury. I think the way our defense tanked after his injury shows we've got a pretty good player in him, too. It shows a lack of depth, but you don't use the 10th pick of the draft for depth. If the 'Hawks pick D-line, they ought to take a disruptive tackle, perhaps Nick Fairley.
                                Last edited by Caulibflower; 01-01-2011, 11:33 PM.

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