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  • Someone help me make sense of the Dorsey pick

    I see people making it in mocks, and I see some Rams fans contending he should be right up there on our list. But I think it would be pretty hard for this team to justify spending back-to-back first round picks on defensive tackles when there are so many other areas that need to be addressed.

    If the Rams select Dorsey, where does he fit? Does Carriker stick at nose tackle even though he's a better fit as a three-technique? Or does Carriker move outside even though he's really not much of an edge rusher? I don't think either makes much sense, which is why the Dorsey selection frustrates me a bit.

    Yes, there's a definite argument to go BPA with such a high pick, but again, can you really do that when you just spent a first rounder on a player of the same position?

    To me, if Chris Long is off the board, the Rams have three options (subject to change given the potential rise and fall of prospects over the next three months) - Jake Long, Vernon Gholston, or a trade down. I'm simply not sold on back-to-back first round DTs.

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    Well you do need a NT and a UT, and while Clifton Ryan showed promise last coming in when Glover was out, I don't know how good he would be as a starter. Adam Carriker at NT and Glenn Dorsey at UT would be nasty, you can't really handle both those guys one on one.

    I for one have Chris Long at the top of my board.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by holt_bruce81 View Post
      Well you do need a NT and a UT, and while Clifton Ryan showed promise last coming in when Glover was out, I don't know how good he would be as a starter. Adam Carriker at NT and Glenn Dorsey at UT would be nasty, you can't really handle both those guys one on one.
      I agree the combination of Carriker/Dorsey would be tough to handle, but the Rams have already acknowledged that Carriker's best position is going to be UT. Do you really move him somewhere else where he won't be as good just so you can add Dorsey to a position that honestly the Rams have already taken care of? It just does not seem ideal at all to me.

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      • #4
        why not take a beast of an edge-rusher in the first round in vernon gholston and then in the second take like pat sims to play NT
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        • #5
          Originally posted by rockio42 View Post
          why not take a beast of an edge-rusher in the first round in vernon gholston and then in the second take like pat sims to play NT
          Provided he has a good combine, Gholston should certainly be an option if Chris Long is not available. In the second round, I'd rather address OT or WR.

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          • #6
            i say we either draft Chris Long or Vernon Gholston with the #2 pick

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            • #7
              I don't know a whole lot about Gholston, but not drafting Dorsey because we already have Ryan could look very foolish in a few years. I know that ideally Ryan will continue to develop and he and Carriker will hold down the line for years to come. Chris Long is definitely number one on my Rams board because DE is definitely more of a need than DT, but I don't think I could agree with taking Gholston because he is a DE if they feel Dorsey is a significantly better player, not that the Rams have been good recently at drafting.

              I am done arguing, until somebody says something stupid.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by nfrillman View Post
                I don't know a whole lot about Gholston, but not drafting Dorsey because we already have Ryan could look very foolish in a few years.
                The point isn't that you're skipping Dorsey because of Ryan but rather because of Carriker, who seems to be the future three-technique on this team. Yes, you could move Carriker back to NT to make room for Dorsey at UT, but it would seem to me that's not an ideal use of the first-round player we already have.

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                • #9
                  It would make no sense for the Rams to draft Dorsey, and it just won't happen. The Rams will probably go BPA at DE where the value and need is greater. Gholston/Long would both be great. NT can be targeted later with Pat Sims, Marcus Harrison, Okam, Bryant, etc.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by etk View Post
                    It would make no sense for the Rams to draft Dorsey, and it just won't happen. The Rams will probably go BPA at DE where the value and need is greater. Gholston/Long would both be great. NT can be targeted later with Pat Sims, Marcus Harrison, Okam, Bryant, etc.
                    I am starting to think that if Chris Long is not available the Rams might trade down because DE is supposed to have a lot of depth this year. If they trade down in the first and pick up another 2nd or 3rd they could possibly draft a safety (Chavous is lousy), take a DE with the 2nd pick in the 2nd round, and then maybe OT with the extra 2nd rounder.

                    I am done arguing, until somebody says something stupid.

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                    • #11
                      1. Long
                      2. Gholston
                      3. Ellis

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                      • #12
                        I would love to see the Rams trade back and get an extra #2 pick. Then we could still get either a DE or S and then with the two #2 picks take a WR and OL. It looks like there is a lot of depth at DL in the top half of the 1st round so if they trade back they can still get a big DE prospect.


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rockio42 View Post
                          why not take a beast of an edge-rusher in the first round in vernon gholston and then in the second take like pat sims to play NT
                          It may be just me, but I think Pat Sims will go higher.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NGSeiler View Post
                            The point isn't that you're skipping Dorsey because of Ryan but rather because of Carriker, who seems to be the future three-technique on this team. Yes, you could move Carriker back to NT to make room for Dorsey at UT, but it would seem to me that's not an ideal use of the first-round player we already have.
                            yea you see what happened when we use two 1st round picks on DT last time (Damion Lewis & Ryan Pickett) and look how that turned out for us

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KCJ58 View Post
                              yea you see what happened when we use two 1st round picks on DT last time (Damion Lewis & Ryan Pickett) and look how that turned out for us
                              Yeah, exactly, it was straight gold. I still think they should have kept Pickett though, he is really good, unfortunately all the other DT's we drafted sucked.

                              I am done arguing, until somebody says something stupid.

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