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    Schefter said a few days ago that Gholston may be looked at as the best defensive player in the draft, and that the Rams took him out to dinner the night before his Pro Day workout (source).

    Also, according to ESPN's Matt Mosley, "I know for a fact that the Rams are in love with Ohio State DE/LB Vernon Gholston, but not enough to take him here." His latest projection has the Rams taking Jake Long (source).

    Frankly, if the Rams view Gholston as the best defender in this class, I don't think second overall is too high to take him.

  • #2
    I also think he would be a great selection at #2.

    But, with Atlanta needing help on Offense and the Raiders looking at McFadden why not trade back to 5 with the K.C. Chiefs who need a LT and still get Gholston and then they could also pick up another pick.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by freebirdsrams02 View Post
      I also think he would be a great selection at #2.

      But, with Atlanta needing help on Offense and the Raiders looking at McFadden why not trade back to 5 with the K.C. Chiefs who need a LT and still get Gholston and then they could also pick up another pick.
      I'd love to do that, but of course its hard to trade down. Gholston has amazing strength so it would work out.

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      • #4
        Well my opinion is that even if you are high on a player it's still not a good pick if you could have gotten him later. Now if a trade doesn't materialize and we are stuck at 2 then just go ahead and take whoever is highest on your board, even if mock's have him going in the 5-10 range. I still think they should take Chris Long over Gholston if he is available.

        I am done arguing, until somebody says something stupid.

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        • #5
          Chris Long should be on top of the board, no doubt. But in a case where he is gone I think Gholston should be 2nd on that list. So we take him at the 2nd pick or trade back and take him later we will see. Trading with K.C. could be a big trade in our favor. Atlanta needs and so does K.C. so if we use that as a barganing chip we could get a lot from K.C. to move ahead of Atlanta. Atlanta took a DE last year a would not take Gholston. The Raiders could but they need more help else where and would not pass on McFadden or Dorsey. Even if we do trade back and Gholston somehow comes off the board along with both Longs and say McFadden, then we take Dorsey at 5 and still get another pick from K.C. But the Jets sitting at 6 also want Gholston so the only trade would come from K.C. or below. But trading with Atlanta would prove anything and I don't see the Raiders moving up for anything.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by freebirdsrams02 View Post
            But, with Atlanta needing help on Offense and the Raiders looking at McFadden why not trade back to 5 with the K.C. Chiefs who need a LT and still get Gholston and then they could also pick up another pick.
            No guarantee he makes it by Oakland. Kelly is moving inside to tackle and Burgess turns 30 in August. They could use the edge youth and talent.

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            • #7
              The Rams big board should be.......

              1. Chris Long
              2. Vernon Gholston
              3. Glenn Dorsey
              4. Jake Long

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              • #8
                Originally posted by holt_bruce81 View Post
                The Rams big board should be.......

                1. Chris Long
                2. Vernon Gholston
                3. Glenn Dorsey
                4. Jake Long
                My take...


                1. Chris Long
                2a. Vernon Gholston
                2b. Jake Long





                3. Glenn Dorsey

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                • #9
                  With DE and OT being very deep in this draft would it matter to anyone if we went OT in the first and DE in the second or DE in the first and OT in the second as long as we filled those two needs.


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                  • #10
                    my Big Board is

                    1. Chris Long
                    2. Vernon Gholston

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                    • #11
                      Vernon!!!

                      C. Long & Gholston are extremely close on my board, but I've been somebody who's been to VG.

                      If he's not worth the #2 overall in this draft....who is?

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                      • #12
                        if they could work out a trade with KC to trade down to five and then take gholston that would be great, but if they can't I wouldn't mind seeing him go at two because he is the best pure passrusher in the draft in my opinion

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                        • #13
                          The Rams need impact players. Lord knows they lack playmakers. Gholston is a high risk or high reward player. Long is a bit undersized, has the heart of a lion though and you have to love that. Long is more polished, but I worry about him getting mauled by NFL sized linemen. Gholston has a very rare combination of size, strength and speed. If your 3-13 and have a defense with ZERO playmakers ( witherspoon might be the lone exception ) in your front seven, you take Gholston and pray he works out.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hessel View Post
                            The Rams need impact players. Lord knows they lack playmakers. Gholston is a high risk or high reward player. Long is a bit undersized, has the heart of a lion though and you have to love that. Long is more polished, but I worry about him getting mauled by NFL sized linemen. Gholston has a very rare combination of size, strength and speed. If your 3-13 and have a defense with ZERO playmakers ( witherspoon might be the lone exception ) in your front seven, you take Gholston and pray he works out.
                            Ummm, allow me to say, "What???" I agree that Gholston is a high risk high reward player. That is about the point where you lose me. Long is undersized? He is listed at 6'3" 270 lbs. Gholston is listed at 6'3" 266 lbs. I think I know who I would nominate as a potential candidate to be mauled by NFL linemen between those two, and it's not Long. Gholston does have a great combination of size, strength, and speed, but so does Long. Gholston ran a 4.67 and Long ran a 4.75, that isn't much of a difference. Long is good against the pass and the run, while Gholston has been knocked for his run stopping inability. I can't find individual defensive stats anywhere, but I am also pretty sure that most of Gholston's sacks came in 3 or 4 games, meaning he just beat the crap out of a few people, while the others stopped him. I would also contend that Atogwe qualifies as a playmaker. Basically I think if they take Gholston at #2 they are reaching for him. He was never even considered an option that high until after the combine, so I just want to know what he did there that wasn't visable on his tapes that warrants him moving up that high. With that being said, if Chris Long is gone, I think Gholston is probably the best pick at 2, possibly Jake Long, and I'm not liking the idea of Dorsey because we would have 5 DT's.
                            Last edited by nfrillman; 04-12-2008, 10:12 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by nfrillman View Post
                              Ummm, allow me to say, "What???" I agree that Gholston is a high risk high reward player. That is about the point where you lose me. Long is undersized? He is listed at 6'3" 270 lbs. Gholston is listed at 6'3" 266 lbs. I think I know who I would nominate as a potential candidate to be mauled by NFL linemen between those two, and it's not Long. Gholston does have a great combination of size, strength, and speed, but so does Long. Gholston ran a 4.67 and Long ran a 4.75, that isn't much of a difference. Long is good against the pass and the run, while Gholston has been knocked for his run stopping inability. I can't find individual defensive stats anywhere, but I am also pretty sure that most of Gholston's sacks came in 3 or 4 games, meaning he just beat the crap out of a few people, while the others stopped him. I would also contend that Atogwe qualifies as a playmaker. Basically I think if they take Gholston at #2 they are reaching for him. He was never even considered an option that high until after the combine, so I just want to know what he did there that wasn't visable on his tapes that warrants him moving up that high. With that being said, if Chris Long is gone, I think Gholston is probably the best pick at 2, possibly Jake Long, and I'm not liking the idea of Dorsey because we would have 5 DT's.
                              If Chris Long is gone, I want Jake Long or Glenn Dorsey. I don't want Gholston unless we trade down to 5 or 6.

                              When you watch a DE at the combine the most important drills for a DE are 10 yard splits, bench, 20-yard shuttle and 3-cone drill.

                              10 yard splits:
                              Gholston: 1.53
                              Long: 1.53

                              Bench:
                              Gholston: 37
                              Long: did not participate

                              20-yard shuttle:
                              Gholston: 4.40
                              Long: 4.21

                              3-cone drill:
                              Gholston: 7.12
                              Long: 7.02

                              Chris Long had a better shuttle, 10 yard split and 3-cone than Mario Williams. Long had a Better shuttle and better 10 yard than Kearse. And Long had the same 10-yard split a better 3-cone and better shuttle then Patrick Willis.

                              Chris Long is a great athlete, gives you 110% every snap, and has the best technique for a defensive end.

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