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  • Here's the deal.

    If the Rams draft Suh #1, and Chris Long finally matures into an upper tier pass-rusher (more likely with Suh in the line - elite players make other players around them better), and they grab Michael Vick from the Eagles... let's say we assume Steven Jackson is still putting up elite numbers next year ... The Rams have a legit dual running threat on offense, and a potentially top 10 defense if Suh and Long pan out. I don't know about the secondary, but the line should be really strong.

    I could easily see a 10-6 or 11-5 season and a potential playoff appearance given this situation.

    If they decide to draft Clausen or Bradford with the #1 spot, and pass on Suh, the defensive line will be average at best, and the rookie QB will undoutedly struggle his first year with no real decent wideouts to throw to. Another 1-15, 2-14 season. 6-10 at best, imho. Then again, two, three years from now, if that QB isn't a bust, you might get that 10-6/11-5 season later on down the road, BUT that is all dependant upon that QB not busting, and further drafting to solidify the team down the road.

    If I were the GM, and I wanted to get people in the stadium by getting a winning season for the first time in a long while, I go the Vick/Suh route. The future potential of the Bradford/Clausen route undoubtedly has a higher potential ceiling, but it also has a serious potential to extend the record of losing seasons for even longer, much longer.

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    • I just don't see that quick of a turnaround happening, but especially if Vick is involved. I don't have very much faith in Vick as a legitimate starter in this league at this point.

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      • i don't get people connecting Vick to the Rams, he wouldn't fit our offense we would have to change it to fit in, I get that we need a QB, but Vick as our QB? he just spent the 2 last years in jail basically now we want him to be our starter just because he played a couple of down for the Eagles, if were gonna get a veteran QB to replace Bulger, please don't pick up Vick. I don't see him working in St. Louis, I'd rather pick up Chad Pennington or Jon Kinta for that matter than Vick

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        • Originally posted by KCJ58 View Post
          i don't get people connecting Vick to the Rams, he wouldn't fit our offense we would have to change it to fit in, I get that we need a QB, but Vick as our QB? he just spent the 2 last years in jail basically now we want him to be our starter just because he played a couple of down for the Eagles, if were gonna get a veteran QB to replace Bulger, please don't pick up Vick. I don't see him working in St. Louis, I'd rather pick up Chad Pennington or Jon Kinta for that matter than Vick
          Devaney was with him in Atlanta. Spags is great friends with Andy Reid. Devaney visited Michael in prison. Rams want to be a run-1st offense and build things around Steven Jackson.

          I mean do you really not get the connection?

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          • Some combine updates!

            Here's a snippet of Devaney's presser at the combine. Link gets you the full article, and Wagoner's draft blog has more comments from Devaney:

            With a new rumor popping up every day and speculation swirling around the Rams’ choice at the top of the draft, it seems the focus has shifted to a debate of philosophy. Do the Rams go for one of the top two quarterbacks or do they opt for one of the two difference makers to plant in the middle of their defensive line for the next decade?

            It’s a decision that’s still a ways off but the picture is at least starting to get some clarity. And while conventional knowledge says the quarterback will always win out over the defensive tackle or any position for that matter, Devaney says it’s not that simple if the tackles are considered the superior players.

            “You can’t force the issue,” Devaney said. “At some point, we need to address the quarterback situation. We are still doing that. It’s on going. We have Marc still under contract; he’s still on the Rams. You have to go through free agency. We have to see what guys are going to be out there, the status of the draft class and then make a decision. If it gets down to it and we think the defensive tackles, these two kids are far and away the highest graded players and they are the best players in the draft, we can’t force it and say ‘Hey, we have got to get a quarterback’ and draft way down on your value. But that’s what we are trying to figure out right now.”
            http://www.stlouisrams.com/article/78218/


            Also of note are the following two Tweets. The first from National Football Post's Wes Bunting:

            Oklahoma TE Jermain Gresham says he's 100% and that he met with the entire Rams offensive coaching staff for a film session last night
            22 minutes ago via web
            ...and the second from Greg Rosenthal:

            Rob Gronkowski said the Rams told him they were taking a tight end. He won't work out until late March.
            3:11 PM Feb 25th via Seesmic

            Thoughts on Gresham if he slips to the top of the second round? I think he'd be an outstanding pick there. The Rams may also be able to get a solid prospect at the top of the third as well, depending on how things shake out.

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            • Continuining the offseason roster process, the Rams are making one-year qualifying offers to all eight of their exclusive rights free agents: DE C.J. Ah You, CB Quincy Butler, RB Kenneth Darby, LB Larry Grant, WR Jordan Kent, OT Ryan McKee, S David Roach, and LB David Vobora.
              http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzon...ve-rights-fas/

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              • Burwell's take on the Suh vs. Bradford debate that's probably going to rage on right up until the draft. He brings up some interesting points...

                http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/spo...0?OpenDocument

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                • Looks like Alex Barron is "officially" on the market...

                  INDIANAPOLIS — The process of making tender offers to the Rams' 13 restricted
                  free agents has taken an unusual twist for offensive tackle Alex Barron, a move
                  that can only be interpreted as the club is dangling him as trade bait.

                  Under league rules, the Rams must pay Barron 110 percent of his 2009 salary, or
                  $2.73 million in 2010. That's a dollar amount that entitles the Rams to a
                  first-round draft pick as compensation if they decided not to match any outside
                  offer.

                  But here comes the curveball: Although they have to pay Barron at a first-round
                  level, they don't have to ask for first-round draft pick compensation.

                  And they're not.

                  According to multiple league sources, the Rams informed Barron's agents Sunday
                  night that they will be asking for only second-round draft pick compensation
                  when they turn their tender offers into the league office later this week.

                  In essence, the Rams are throwing out a fishing line to the rest of the league,
                  with Barron as the trade bait.

                  It's another deep year for offensive tackles in the draft. Early indications
                  point to Jason Smith, the No. 2 overall pick in last year's draft, moving to
                  left tackle next season. Some of the Rams' best right tackles since the team
                  moved to St. Louis were middle-round picks. Ryan Tucker was a fourth-rounder;
                  Fred Miller, a fifth-rounder.
                  http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/spo...5?OpenDocument

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                  • Originally posted by NGSeiler View Post
                    Looks like Alex Barron is "officially" on the market...



                    http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/spo...5?OpenDocument
                    good riddance, maybe this means a guy like Ducasse at the top of the 2nd or Vladheer in the 3rd
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                    • Originally posted by rockio42 View Post
                      good riddance, maybe this means a guy like Ducasse at the top of the 2nd or Vladheer in the 3rd
                      Trade Barron who is a proven nfl player, a very SOLID tackle who you know will be in the starting line up every sunday.......and replace him with Ducasse or Vladheer? two players who need LOTS of work even to be a starter at the next level?

                      That makes complete sense.

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                      • Originally posted by holt_bruce81 View Post
                        Trade Barron who is a proven nfl player, a very SOLID tackle who you know will be in the starting line up every sunday.......and replace him with Ducasse or Vladheer? two players who need LOTS of work even to be a starter at the next level?

                        That makes complete sense.
                        I'm saying it'll be a good trade for a 3rd or 4th rounder considering we probably won't re-sign him and getting a young guy in their now is better long-term for the team
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                        • So I have been doing a lot of research and reading lots of articles. Checked out the combine some. I have come to a few conclusions, based on what I hve read this year as well as players from the past...

                          1) I don't like Bruce Campbell. He tore it up at the combine, I know. He has the body of a huge TE and the speed and agility to go with it. I think this one is as much in my gut as it is with what everyone is saying about him not having 1st round tape to watch. It is also my opinion that guys with his body type and low body fat are not built to withstand the pounding on the line and I believe he will be very prone to injury.

                          A few other guys that are on my DO NOT DRAFT list: Dez Bryant (attitude), Carlos Dunlap (laziness), and Toby Gerhart (reminds me of Brian Leonard).

                          I'm gonna throw out a couple of ideas for the draft now...

                          1) Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma.
                          This was tough to call over Ndamakong Suh. My deciding factor? Despite a 2009 season that fell apart in Oklahoma, McCoy is much more accustomed to winning, and the Rams desperately need winners.

                          2) Daryl Washington, LB, TCU. Great lateral speed, instincts, can smell the ball a mile away. Would be a great playmaker beside Laurinitis. If he is not available then I like Maurice Pouncey, C, Florida; John Jerry, OG, from Ole Miss; or Charles Brown, OT, from USC.

                          3) Dennis Pitta, TE, BYU. I chose this guy for the Rams' 3rd round pick weeks ago and I'm sticking with it. I really like Pitta and I think he has the talent to catch 50 balls a year for 600 yards and half a dozen scores. He has deceptive speed and runs fluid routes. He is also better at blocking than given credit for and will be a great teammate. I also like Ed Dickson, TE, from Oregon. If both are gone take best available offensive lineman.

                          4) Javier Arenas, CB, Alabama. He's too small and he ran in the low 4.5's at the combine, which may allow him to slide to #97. I believe he will be a great nickel corner at the next level and will be an immediate impact player in the return game.

                          5) If we take Washington in 2nd: Matt Tenant, C, Boston College. Another lunchpail lineman from a long line of BC maulers. I also like Tony Washington, OT, Abilene Christian; and Marshall Newhouse, OT, from TCU; or Chris Scott, G/T, from Tennessee. If we take a lineman in the 2nd: George Selvie, OLB, S. Florida.

                          6) Bill Stull, QB, Pittsburgh. I think Stull is a sleeper and could be a stud down the road with proper grooming.

                          7) Jeremy Williams, WR, Tulane or Freddie Barnes, WR, Bowling Green. Both are reliable receivers who will not burn anyone but catch everything and run good routes. I also like Pat Paschall, RB, N. Dakota St.

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                          • Originally posted by stlouisfan37 View Post
                            So I have been doing a lot of research and reading lots of articles. Checked out the combine some. I have come to a few conclusions, based on what I hve read this year as well as players from the past...

                            1) I don't like Bruce Campbell. He tore it up at the combine, I know. He has the body of a huge TE and the speed and agility to go with it. I think this one is as much in my gut as it is with what everyone is saying about him not having 1st round tape to watch. It is also my opinion that guys with his body type and low body fat are not built to withstand the pounding on the line and I believe he will be very prone to injury.

                            A few other guys that are on my DO NOT DRAFT list: Dez Bryant (attitude), Carlos Dunlap (laziness), and Toby Gerhart (reminds me of Brian Leonard).

                            I'm gonna throw out a couple of ideas for the draft now...

                            1) Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma.
                            This was tough to call over Ndamakong Suh. My deciding factor? Despite a 2009 season that fell apart in Oklahoma, McCoy is much more accustomed to winning, and the Rams desperately need winners.

                            2) Daryl Washington, LB, TCU. Great lateral speed, instincts, can smell the ball a mile away. Would be a great playmaker beside Laurinitis. If he is not available then I like Maurice Pouncey, C, Florida; John Jerry, OG, from Ole Miss; or Charles Brown, OT, from USC.

                            3) Dennis Pitta, TE, BYU. I chose this guy for the Rams' 3rd round pick weeks ago and I'm sticking with it. I really like Pitta and I think he has the talent to catch 50 balls a year for 600 yards and half a dozen scores. He has deceptive speed and runs fluid routes. He is also better at blocking than given credit for and will be a great teammate. I also like Ed Dickson, TE, from Oregon. If both are gone take best available offensive lineman.

                            4) Javier Arenas, CB, Alabama. He's too small and he ran in the low 4.5's at the combine, which may allow him to slide to #97. I believe he will be a great nickel corner at the next level and will be an immediate impact player in the return game.

                            5) If we take Washington in 2nd: Matt Tenant, C, Boston College. Another lunchpail lineman from a long line of BC maulers. I also like Tony Washington, OT, Abilene Christian; and Marshall Newhouse, OT, from TCU; or Chris Scott, G/T, from Tennessee. If we take a lineman in the 2nd: George Selvie, OLB, S. Florida.

                            6) Bill Stull, QB, Pittsburgh. I think Stull is a sleeper and could be a stud down the road with proper grooming.

                            7) Jeremy Williams, WR, Tulane or Freddie Barnes, WR, Bowling Green. Both are reliable receivers who will not burn anyone but catch everything and run good routes. I also like Pat Paschall, RB, N. Dakota St.
                            Sam Bradford #1!!!!!!!!!!!

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                            • I don't like Bradford enough to pass on such great DT's. I would be much more inclined to agree with you if we were talking about Jake Locker.

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                              • Okay, so I have already expressed that I don't like the idea of taking Bradford at #1. I feel the same way about Clausen, or any QB in this draft class for that matter. However, I decided for the sake of argument, to go ahead and fill in what I would do with the rest of our draft if that were to happen.

                                2) Brian Price, DT, UCLA. There's no denying we need better play from the defensive line so we can get off the field once in a while. I would love it if Terrence Cody or Dan Williams would fall this far, but I don't think they will. Jared Odrick may be a pick here as well.

                                3) Dennis Pitta, TE, BYU. I really hope we take this guy. He should be available here in a draft that is deep with TE talent, and I think he would be a perfect fit.

                                4) George Selvie, DE, South Florida. No college prospect has ever reminded me more of Leonard Little. Let's just hope he is a safer driver.

                                5) Best lineman available. Possibilities include Tony Washington, OT, Abilene Christian; Matt Tenant, C, Boston College (I love BC interior linemen); Marshall Newhouse, OT, TCU; Doug Palmer, OG, East Carolina.

                                6) Donald Butler, ILB, Washington. This guy is a bit smallish for an ILB, but I believe he can play all three LB spots and has a non-stop motor. Would get a lot more attention if he were at a stronger program.

                                7) Michael Smith, RB, Arkansas. Could be a great complement to Steven Jackson.

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