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  • #91
    I agree with everything you guys have said about running back. Very disappointing we didn't upgrade.

    What are your thoughts about our linebackers? IMO this was arguably our biggest weakness heading into the draft. Significant upgrades on both sides of James would have been nice. I don't really see where we made any attempt to fill those voids.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by tfry View Post
      I agree with everything you guys have said about running back. Very disappointing we didn't upgrade.

      What are your thoughts about our linebackers? IMO this was arguably our biggest weakness heading into the draft. Significant upgrades on both sides of James would have been nice. I don't really see where we made any attempt to fill those voids.
      I know Spags and Devaney are higher on Josh Hull than a lot of fans are, and I think Jabara Williams comes in and competes for the starting weak-side linebacker spot.

      I trust Spags, He knows what players fit his system the best.

      As for the backup Running back situation, come on people why are you that surprised? Devaney says the same "oh yeah it's definitely a priority this offseason" every offseason, people make threads about the Rams finally getting a backup runningback and at the end of every offseason we still have Steven Jackson and nothing.

      I love the Draft. Robert Quinn was arguably the steal of the draft, him and Chris Long in a few years is going to be a deadly combo. Lance Kendricks is a great receiving Tight End, I Questioned the pick when I first heard it but then after thinking about it, Bradford uses his Tight ends a ton why not upgrade over Billy Bajema and Illinois Mike? Imagine the mismatches Fendi and Lance could give teams in a few years, I know I'm getting way ahead of myself here because who knows how Fendi is going to progress but if he does progress well, in a year or two you have Two great athletic Tight ends who can stretch the field and a great blocking Tight End in Illinois Mike.

      The two receivers the Rams drafted aren't #1 guys and the Rams receiving core isn't anything to get to excited about but with Sam Bradford, he makes the Receivers better than what they should be. Reading throughout the forum over the past few months Greg Salas was pretty much on everyones "steal list" no fear over the middle, plays with heart, has great hands, good route runner. If these guys are smart enough to learn and understand a playbook, they will be successful with Sam Bradford throwing them the ball. Elite players raise the game of everyone around them and Bradford is elite.

      I question the Maikel Baker pick, but there I think your just looking or potential and players that can make your special teams better than what they are.

      Robert Quinn - Starter

      Lance Kendricks - Starter

      Austin Pettis - 3rd or 4th receiver

      Greg Salas - 3rd or 4th receiver

      Jermale Hines - Starter

      Mikail Baker - Practice Squad

      Jabara Williams - Starter

      Jonathan Nelson - Practice Squad

      Am I to high on our draft? maybe. But I trust Spags and Devaney. Bill Devaney has done a great job since being the General Manager of the Rams. Since 2008 19 of his draft picks are on the 53 man roster and 9 of them are starters.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by holt_bruce81 View Post
        I trust Spags, He knows what players fit his system the best.
        I still remember him benching Fletcher for Kevin Dockery.

        ;)

        To move the subject on from the draft, which former NYG defensive player is coming over when FA starts?

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        • #94
          Originally posted by holt_bruce81 View Post
          Lance Kendricks is a great receiving Tight End, I Questioned the pick when I first heard it but then after thinking about it, Bradford uses his Tight ends a ton why not upgrade over Billy Bajema and Illinois Mike? Imagine the mismatches Fendi and Lance could give teams in a few years, I know I'm getting way ahead of myself here because who knows how Fendi is going to progress but if he does progress well, in a year or two you have Two great athletic Tight ends who can stretch the field and a great blocking Tight End in Illinois Mike.

          The two receivers the Rams drafted aren't #1 guys and the Rams receiving core isn't anything to get to excited about but with Sam Bradford, he makes the Receivers better than what they should be. Reading throughout the forum over the past few months Greg Salas was pretty much on everyones "steal list" no fear over the middle, plays with heart, has great hands, good route runner. If these guys are smart enough to learn and understand a playbook, they will be successful with Sam Bradford throwing them the ball. Elite players raise the game of everyone around them and Bradford is elite.
          I agree TE was a needed area, but there was a lot better talent on the board when we drafted Kendricks. DT had some great prospects and we really could have got a steal at that point in the draft. A round later we passed on Mason Foster to get another WR4. Hopefully we can spend some cash in free agency to help fill a few of these holes. The way I see it, we have glarring weaknesses at Weakside LB, SS LB, Safety, Guard, and Running back. We could also use some depth at DT and CB.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by holt_bruce81 View Post
            Jermale Hines - Starter
            Wouldn't count on this one, though I like his potential to fill the Stewart role from last year and line up in nickel packages as a LB/S hybrid.


            Originally posted by Beano View Post
            To move the subject on from the draft, which former NYG defensive player is coming over when FA starts?
            DT Barry Cofield.


            Originally posted by tfry View Post
            I agree TE was a needed area, but there was a lot better talent on the board when we drafted Kendricks.
            The Rams obviously disagreed. Only time will tell who is right. I think we need to remember that opinions certainly differ on prospects, and what we may consider a good value, others may not. Especially if they don't fit the role the team is looking for.

            To use Mason Foster as an example, I'd say many if not most fans pegged him as a second round prospect. He went a full round later and reportedly is being considered a Tampa 2 MLB rather than an OLB. So clearly there was some disparity in how fans valued/viewed him versus how the NFL valued/viewed him.

            Also, some would have argued that Mardy Gilyard was one of the best talents on the board when the Rams picked in the fourth round last year, and we're still waiting for that to pay off.

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            • #96
              http://www.101espn.com/category/hbal...-Rams%27-Goal/

              It would probably be a surprise for some to discover that only five NFL teams had more red-zone trips than the Rams' 56 in 2010: New England, 67; New Orleans, 61; San Diego, 59; and Atlanta and Philadelphia, 58. Indianapolis also had 56. Of those six teams, all but San Diego made the playoffs and the Chargers were 9-7. Those six teams combined for a 67-29 record.

              The Saints ranked lowest of those teams in red-zone touchdown percentage (20th), but they still scored 31 touchdowns, which was more than the 27 total touchdowns the Rams scored all season.

              The Patriots scored 42 red-zone touchdowns, the Colts 38, Falcons 35, Chargers 33 and Eagles 31.

              Meanwhile, the Rams' red-zone touchdown production was downright ugly. Their 35.7 percent success rate was better than only Carolina (30.3). No other team was under 40 percent. Their 20 red-zone touchdowns topped only five teams: Buffalo and Cleveland, 19; Miami, 18; Arizona, 16 and Carolina, 10. All those teams had significantly fewer red-zone trips.

              Consider that 72.1 percent of the rushing or passing touchdowns scored in the NFL last season came in the red zone. Of the 751 total passing touchdowns, 191 (25.4 percent) were scored by tight ends and 155 of those 191 (81.1 percent) came in the red zone.

              Yes, it's nice to have outside speed in your receiving corps. But that doesn't help much when the field constricts inside the 20. Red-zone improvement was a huge need for the Rams, and they believe the addition of Kendricks, as well as big wide receivers Austin Pettis and Greg Salas has helped fill it.

              They certainly have more of a chance to do that than any running back.

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              • #97
                Undrafted Free Agent RB's

                There are a few undrafted free agent running backs that fit the scatback mold we are looking for.

                Noel Devine 5-9, 170 West Virginia.
                Derrick Locke 5-9, 190 Kentucky
                Donald Buckram 5-10, 195 UTEP

                I didn't see much of Devine or Locke, and Buckram was injured much of his senior year, which no doubt hurt his stock. However, I saw Buckram a couple times his junior year and he was very explosive. He was in the top 5 in the nation in rushing and scored 18 td's. He is also a very good receiver out of the backfield, and had 3 receiving td's that year, including a 72-yarder. His speed is listed in the 4.4 range, but it doesn't look like he was invited to the combine.

                Any thoughts?

                Also, I have read an article or two that suggests the Rams are very high on Darren Sproles. I wonder how the rest of you feel about this? I have mixed feelings. A couple of years ago I would have jumped all over him, but now I am not sure. With LT out of the mix last year he had a fantastic opportunity to grab the reins, but he wasn't any more productive and never did win the starting job. I also am of the opinion that being a return specialist is a young player's job, and his numbers in that department will likely decline the closer he gets to 30. The one thing I do really like about him is his production in the passing game, where his numbers have steadily increased over the course of his career.

                Is there any chance we go after a guy like DeAngelo Williams, or will he be way too expensive?

                Just some thoughts as we (hopefully) head into free agency.

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                • #98
                  One of the things I really like about this rebuilding project is that they aren't trying to build Rome in a day. They recognize the necessity of always moving forward and keeping things in perspective. I look at the 49ers as a perfect example. When Mike Nolan inherited that team in 2005 they had completely deteriorated talentwise. Free agents had left, players had gotten old and retired, coaches had moved on to new places, and they had horrible salaryu cap issues. I remember reading an article at some point that talked about them still having cap hits for players like Rice and Young, who hadn't played there in 6 or 7 years. It was time to rebuild with youth and get their books straight so they could once again be a contender.

                  So they attacked the problem through the draft, and only added inexpensive free agents where they had to. They made a lot of draft day trades which brought additional picks.

                  By 2007 they had what the analysts were calling one of the most talented teams in the league, and their record was improving. The only problem was, they had young guys teaching young guys and no veteran leadership, a new offensive coordinator every year to right the ship, and it all boiled down to them having all the talent in the world but no one knowing how to win because they had all joined up together at the same time.

                  So while we fans look at this team and see how many holes have gone unfilled, I don't see that as such a bad thing. These first couple of drafts have not been real sexy, but I think we have put key pieces in place that will help build a strong foundation.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by stlouisfan37 View Post
                    One of the things I really like about this rebuilding project is that they aren't trying to build Rome in a day. They recognize the necessity of always moving forward and keeping things in perspective. I look at the 49ers as a perfect example. When Mike Nolan inherited that team in 2005 they had completely deteriorated talentwise. Free agents had left, players had gotten old and retired, coaches had moved on to new places, and they had horrible salaryu cap issues. I remember reading an article at some point that talked about them still having cap hits for players like Rice and Young, who hadn't played there in 6 or 7 years. It was time to rebuild with youth and get their books straight so they could once again be a contender.

                    So they attacked the problem through the draft, and only added inexpensive free agents where they had to. They made a lot of draft day trades which brought additional picks.

                    By 2007 they had what the analysts were calling one of the most talented teams in the league, and their record was improving. The only problem was, they had young guys teaching young guys and no veteran leadership, a new offensive coordinator every year to right the ship, and it all boiled down to them having all the talent in the world but no one knowing how to win because they had all joined up together at the same time.

                    So while we fans look at this team and see how many holes have gone unfilled, I don't see that as such a bad thing. These first couple of drafts have not been real sexy, but I think we have put key pieces in place that will help build a strong foundation.
                    I agree with the assumption that Sproles will lose some of his return ability and to me that's his greatest stregth. Price permitted, I love to see us grab Ahmad Bradshaw. I think he would really help take the load off of Sjax.
                    A couple less expensive names I would like to see us go after as a third down back: Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams, Brian Westbrook.

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                    • Originally posted by stlouisfan37 View Post
                      There are a few undrafted free agent running backs that fit the scatback mold we are looking for.
                      We as in fans or we as in the Rams? Because if you look at all of the running backs who came in for pre-draft visits with the Rams, they did not fit the scatback mold. The only running back Spags/Devaney has drafted so far was Chris Ogbonnaya, who was 6'0" and 220 pounds. There were rumblings that the Rams were interested in Darren Sproles at one point, but I'm wondering if their mindset regarding the type of depth they want at running back is different than what most fans would pursue.


                      Originally posted by tfry View Post
                      I agree with the assumption that Sproles will lose some of his return ability and to me that's his greatest stregth. Price permitted, I love to see us grab Ahmad Bradshaw. I think he would really help take the load off of Sjax.
                      Bradshaw is intriguing, but at 25 years old coming off of a season where he carried the ball 270+ times, do you think he'll want to come to a team to be a back-up/situational guy? I'm not so sure.

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                      • If the team is going to sign a mid-level back I would much rather see the team sign Joseph Addai than Sproles or Cadillac. He's a good pass protector, decent hands, and a more diverse runner than either player. He has injury concerns, but certainly not as much as a 30 speed back or one with multiple knee injuries. That being said, I would still rather to the money go towards addressing the DT and OLB positions, running backs are becoming a dime a dozen position in the 3rd/4th round, no reason to spend money on a back that is likely going to deteriorate two years into the deal.

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                        • Originally posted by NGSeiler View Post
                          Bradshaw is intriguing, but at 25 years old coming off of a season where he carried the ball 270+ times, do you think he'll want to come to a team to be a back-up/situational guy? I'm not so sure.
                          Good point, but there isn't a large market for running backs out there and Bradshaw will never be a "Carry the Load" type of back IMO. He and Jackson could each help prolong their careers a year or two by splitting carries. A 60/40 split with Jackson and Bradshaw would not be a bad thing.

                          As it stands, if Jackson goes down (Which is highly likely) we are in a lot of trouble in the backfield.

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                          • Any thoughts on players the Rams might let go to get rid of when training camp finally starts.


                            Sig made by Falcon from E Oakland

                            "Spread'em and Shread'em"

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                            • Originally posted by tfry View Post
                              Good point, but there isn't a large market for running backs out there and Bradshaw will never be a "Carry the Load" type of back IMO. He and Jackson could each help prolong their careers a year or two by splitting carries. A 60/40 split with Jackson and Bradshaw would not be a bad thing.

                              As it stands, if Jackson goes down (Which is highly likely) we are in a lot of trouble in the backfield.
                              Bradshaw may not be a "carry the load" back, but at 25 years old and coming off of a 276-carry season, I don't see him signing with a team to be second fiddle to someone else. Worst case scenario for him (IMO) is he returns to the Giants.

                              Originally posted by freebirdsrams02 View Post
                              Any thoughts on players the Rams might let go to get rid of when training camp finally starts.
                              Well, I believe the roster will be expanded for training camp, but will be trimmed as we get closer to the regular season. I imagine quite a number of guys are going to be in thick competitions for roster spots, all over the place. For as much progress as the Rams made in 2010, there are still plenty of areas where they could upgrade, specifically in terms of depth.

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                              • Here's a list of reported Rams UDFA signings so far for anyone that hasn't seen it. There's also been reports of Derrick Locke having agreed to a deal with the Rams but its also been reported that he had a deal with the Vikings earlier, so it might just be wishful thinking that circulated the report.

                                James Dockery (CB, Oregon State)
                                Taylor Potts (QB, Texas Tech)
                                Arthur Thomas (DT, Arkansas-Pine Bluff)
                                Dionte Dinkins (CB, Fort Valley State)
                                Bryant Browning (OG, Ohio State)

                                No one really big on this list...mostly guys that were expected to undrafted for the most part. Potts is intriguing as a developmental QB under McDaniels but that's it really...wasn't overly impressed with his college career. He had good numbers but it was Texas Tech (though his numbers didn't falter much with Tommy Tuberville coming in).

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