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  • I'm excited about this....
    this has me thinkin of which way to go in the draft now
    I think it all depends on who's available.
    If the BPA isn't a corner at that point- I think we skip the CB
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    • Originally posted by Don Vito View Post
      Leigh Bodden is a Pat, love the move. He has had some injuries but he is 27 and has a ton of ability, he had some good seasons in Cleveland too. Hopefully he and Springs can stay healthy and perform well, pushing Hobbs to nickel and Wilhite and Wheatley behind him. Corner is not as much of a need but we still may take one on the first day, you never know.
      "...pushing Hobbs to nickel..."

      ??? C'mon, that's just dumb. Hobbs is at-worst, a #2 NFL CB. He's gotten it done, and proven himself too many times to have people say this crap about a couple broken-bodies like Shawn Springs and Leigh F'ing Bodden (whose "good" seasons in Cleveland really weren't that great) pushing Ellis Hobbs to nickel.

      I do like the Bodden signing, along with Springs though. It solidifies the position and makes it less of an immediate draft need. The Patriots can focus the early picks to positions that suffer huge drop-offs in talent after the 1st & 2nd round positions like OT, WR, DL, and S. They can find a guy that's comparable to the first & second round corners, like Joe Burnett, a little later.
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      • Originally posted by nepg View Post
        "...pushing Hobbs to nickel..."

        ??? C'mon, that's just dumb. Hobbs is at-worst, a #2 NFL CB. He's gotten it done, and proven himself too many times to have people say this crap about a couple broken-bodies like Shawn Springs and Leigh F'ing Bodden (whose "good" seasons in Cleveland really weren't that great) pushing Ellis Hobbs to nickel.

        I do like the Bodden signing, along with Springs though. It solidifies the position and makes it less of an immediate draft need. The Patriots can focus the early picks to positions that suffer huge drop-offs in talent after the 1st & 2nd round positions like OT, WR, DL, and S. They can find a guy that's comparable to the first & second round corners, like Joe Burnett, a little later.
        Hobbs is not a bad corner, but he is not a #1 cornerback. I think he could be an elite nickelback and I was saying what I though would be the best case scenario-Springs and Bodden play great and stay healthy. They probably both won't be better than Hobbs, I just think Hobbs could be an elite nickel back. He has the ability to be a great #2 and has been a solid player for us, but he has had his bad moments too. Most of his bad moments came when he had to be the #1 guy, if at least one of Springs/Bodden can emerge as a bonafide starter that will make Hobbs that much better. That is pretty much what I was trying to say.

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        • Bodden has never been better than Hobbs.
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          Last edited by nepg; 09-17-2011, 07:06 AM.

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          • Originally posted by nepg View Post
            Bodden has never been better than Hobbs.
            People beat out people who are supposedly better than them. It has happened before, and it will continue to happen. Bodden has also never played on a team with a good pass rush, he has never played with much of a supporting cast, and he has never played on a very good team period. He could come here and tear it up for all we know, or he could do nothing. Hobbs does catch a lot of flak and he is not a terrible corner, he is a solid player for us. But that does not mean that if Bodden outperfroms Hobbs that Hobbs will play over Bodden.

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            • Originally posted by nepg View Post
              Bodden has never been better than Hobbs.
              That's just not true. Bodden was one of the better corners around for a time. Had a big time reputation for being the only one who could shut Chad Johnson down during his prime years. Fully expect Bodden to start over Hobbs and probably Springs if he's healthy. Absolutely enamored with the deal.

              Still think we need a corner though. Byrd would still look real good in round two.
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              • Originally posted by ElectricEye View Post
                That's just not true. Bodden was one of the better corners around for a time. Had a big time reputation for being the only one who could shut Chad Johnson down during his prime years. Fully expect Bodden to start over Hobbs and probably Springs if he's healthy. Absolutely enamored with the deal.

                Still think we need a corner though. Byrd would still look real good in round two.
                I would love Byrd in round 2. I do think the Springs and Bodden signings are going to help us out quite a bit, it is just natural for Pats fans to be hesitant in thinking that with recent veteran busts like Tory James and Deltha O'Neal. The expectations are a lot higher for these guys because they both have something left in the tank. Hobbs is not trash and is a good player for us but I think Springs and Bodden could prove to be great accquisitions if they stay healthy.

                That being said, I would still have no problem if we added one more young corner. Jairus Byrd would be awesome. Safety is a much bigger need in the secondary now, however.

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                • I agree that we're kinda of being forced to take a safety now. No big free agents at the position left.

                  Oh, and yeah, Hobbs is an alright corner...but ideally he is a nickelback.

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                  • Originally posted by nepg View Post
                    Bodden has never been better than Hobbs.
                    Bodden has always been better than Hobbs. I don't like him, but he's been a good cornerback in the NFL for a long time. Even a top one with the Browns for a while.

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                    • Originally posted by luckyjackaubrey View Post
                      Guys I am a Patriots fan who has been living here outside of Philly for 10 years now. Greg Lewis is not a difference maker. He is not a field stretcher. He has absollutely NO special teams value. He did not dress the second half of the season because 6 guys the Eagles had were better wrs and COULD play somewhere on special teams. He is no better than 50-50 to make the roster next year. That is why the Patriots are getting back the 7th rounder next year. It is essentially a 5 for a 7 and a shot in the dark on lewis contributing. No way he has Stallworth-like impact.
                      While I don't think Greg Lewis has the kind of talent that Stallworth does, I also don't think people like Wes Welker, Reche Caldwell, or David Givens did, either, and all of them vastly improved under Tom Brady. Recent wide receivers and their differences with and without Brady:

                      Randy Moss:

                      Raiders, 2006: 42-553-3
                      Patriots, 2007: 98-1,493-23

                      Wes Welker:

                      Dolphins, 2006: 67-687-1
                      Patriots, 2007: 112-1,175-8

                      Deion Branch:

                      Seahawks, 2006: 53-725-4
                      Patriots, 2005: 78-998-5

                      David Givens:

                      Titans, 2006: 8-104-0
                      Patriots, 2005: 59-738-2

                      Reche Caldwell:

                      Chargers, 2005: 28-352-1
                      Patriots, 2006: 61-760-4

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                      • In a weird way, I'm happy that the patriots are paying Bodden more than ESPN had originally leaked they were going to pay him. He's getting 2.25 mil not 750k. It makes me think that people are still pretty confident in his big-time potential.

                        The fact that some of the cockiest NFL players (Kellen Winslow, Chad Johnson) called Bodden one of the best corners in the league tells me we could have found ourselves in the perfect situation with Leigh Bodden: bad market, previous team sucked, huge potential, low risk.

                        When healthy, Bodden + Springs definitely start over Hobbs but I agree Hobbs would be a good number 2, and all this experience will be great for the younger guys (wheatley and wilhite). If Vontae Davis falls to 23 i say we still take him, but other than that, we shouldn't take a corner until late round 2 unless the value is overwhelming.

                        I hope the Patriots go after Marvin Harrison, he would be a great #2 and that way we could use Welker in the Slot where he's more effective.

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                        • He had 1 season that didn't suck. Big difference from: "...been a good cornerback in the NFL for a long time."

                          "Even a top one with the Browns for a while."

                          Not saying much at all here...

                          Hobbs has been the more consistent player and is still growing as a player. It's flat-out ridiculous to say Bodden is better. Could Bodden be better? Yes. Let's hope for the best...but the dude's an ass hole, who knows how long he lasts in that lockerroom...
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                          • Originally posted by nepg View Post
                            He had 1 season that didn't suck. Big difference from: "...been a good cornerback in the NFL for a long time."

                            "Even a top one with the Browns for a while."

                            Not saying much at all here...

                            Hobbs has been the more consistent player and is still growing as a player. It's flat-out ridiculous to say Bodden is better. Could Bodden be better? Yes. Let's hope for the best...but the dude's an ass hole, who knows how long he lasts in that lockerroom...
                            One season where he didn't suck? You must be thinking of a different player. From 2005-2007 he was a number one caliber cornerback. he struggled last year when he was asked to play in the Cover 2. Completely misused in Detroit.

                            Hobbs is hardly consistent and isn't getting any better. I guarantee you're the only person here who will argue he's the better corner.

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                            • I'd say Bodden is the better talent and has a much higher ceiling. For right now, however, I would argue Hobbs is the better corner. My expectation is that Bodden returns to form and becomes a true #1 again like he was with the Browns, at which point he will prove he is the better corner by far.

                              Semantics. ;) But he has to show us he is the better corner.

                              The guy definitely has great skills that were completely wasted in Detroit. At 0-16 it's safe to say the was the case with most guys in Motor City last season.


                              I would not be at all surprised to see Hobbs pushed to dime back this season. I like him, but I think Springs, Bodden and Wheatley will emerge as the top 3.

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                              • Originally posted by cdf_2108 View Post
                                I hope the Patriots go after Marvin Harrison, he would be a great #2 and that way we could use Welker in the Slot where he's more effective.
                                No thanks. Marvin is completely done. He couldn't beat a red-headed stepchild at this point in his career. I'd rather see a rookie in there. Same goes for Holt, since he was mentioned somewhere else, too.


                                Then again, there are very few options left at WR . . . maybe they're working on a Boldin trade since the trigger was pulled so early on the Cassel trade. [/dream]

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