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  • My new Pats draft

    1. jarron Gilbert DE - need a replacement for the old and expensive Seymour and he has great strength and quickness.

    2 a) Hakeem Nicks - Good WR, hopefully not a bust like every other WR they draft

    b) Alex Mack - could play guard too in case mankins is too expensive to resign. Also need a backup center possible replacement.

    c) Connor Barwin - everyone's favorte so I threw him in here. HOpefully he can be strong at the point of attack. Otherwise he's a wasted pick.

    3a) trade for 2nd next year nad 5th this year.
    3b) supplemental - Jairus Byrd. Could play Cb or safety, great ball skills, great athlete, father was all pro CB

    4a) jaspar brinkley ILB - may too high for him
    5. Scott McKillop ILB -
    5 supplemental - Dillar WR Rice

  • #2
    You don't draft a center in round 2 to backup anyone... I'd replace that pick with a CB or S. The rest of Round 2 looks fine, I guess. The third is cooky as all hell. No one's trading a 2nd and a 5th for a late 3rd (predicting trades - overall - is gooberish anyway).
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    • #3
      Gilbert is a terrible pick. We have Seymour locked up for another year and dire needs at other positions. Passing on an outside linebacker or defensive back would be a mistake there.

      Nicks is a good pick, but again, bigger issues right now. Part of me loves in though, but personally I would prefer Britt.

      Mack is pretty trash. The only spot that would warrant a first day selection is right tackle and even that's a bit iffy. There's no way in hell they let Mankins walk given the level he's played at and while Koppen leads something to be desired at center, he's still pretty good and really brings a lot to our line. Big no on this one.

      I've been pretty critical of the Barwin stuff lately. Yeah, he's an explosive athlete who showed a lot as a pass rusher, but there's a questionable track record and he's still pretty raw. Just doesn't seem like the type of guy we bring in. Big time bust potential with Barwin. Wouldn't feel secure with that pick at all.

      Why trade the next pick when we still have direct needs at corner and safety? Doesn't make any sense.

      Byrd is a damn good pick but there's no way in hell he lasts that long. Why not take him with the pick you traded away? He might not even be there. He's a major riser right now and Scott has him going to us in the second and while there's no doubt I could see that happen should he be there, there's no guarantee he will.

      Brinkley would be excellent and it wouldn't be too high for him. He's shed 30 pounds and looked every bit the athlete he did when he was being looked at as the best linebacker in the class a couple years ago before his injury. Not much of a chance of him lasting past the first now IMO. If he were there, I would be all for it. Perfect compliment to Mayo. Projects extremely well to the 3-4 and could be a monster for us. I would take him over Laurinaitis for us ten times out of ten.

      McKillop I don't really get. He wouldn't help outside and you still haven't picked a safety, which is still a need even with Sanders. He wouldn't do much for us IMO, and he's a terrible athlete to top it all off. Not bad for a 5th round pick, but still.

      No way in hell Dillard lasts till the end of the 5th. He ran much better than expected and looked good in workouts. Some team is going to fall in love with him. Would be the perfect pick, but he won't be there.

      Good second day, but not a realistic one. The first day really sticks. Don't think that would set us up very well at all for next year :/

      R.I.P. Junior Seau

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      • #4
        You have us taking alot of picks for backups/upgrades at positions that aren't really big needs yet. Gilbert and Mack would be great if we actually needed them right now (although I can see taking Gilbert due to the uncertainty of Seymour being around after this year).

        Nicks at the top of the 2nd is a great pick IMO. We have very little depth at WR right now.

        I'm not a huge Barwin fan, I like Sintim alot more personally. I also love the Byrd pick, as well as the Brinkley pick, although I bet he goes early 3rd at this point, maybe even sneaking into the late 2nd, as he is just tailor made for the 3-4.
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        • #5
          I like Gilbert, Nicks, and Mack as players but we have much bigger needs than those positions that need to be addressed first. The best pick is Jairus Byrd in the third and I highly doubt he goes any later than the mid second.

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          • #6
            Well I'm glad you like the Byrd pick...

            The reason I picked Gilbert this year is that it's a little tough to draft a rookie to start and that's what you'd be doign if you let Seymour walk. this way yo have time to see if he can actually do it before jettisoning Seymour.

            CB they have Springs, Hobbs, Wilhite, Wheatley, richardson...another guy would just be thrown on the pile, not much room to start. But I did pick Byrd, who I figure could play safety too.

            Safety is a little tricky as it's hard to draft a rookie who can necessarily play right away. Maybe the pats defense is too tricky. Besides I think belichick likes picking veterans for leadership back there.

            Mack as trash? Haven't heard that one. They could use a guard/tackle but also need a backup center.

            I'd like to see them get a NT who can backup / replace Wilfork. wilfork may want too much money and a NT who isn't as athletic but takes up a lot of space might by much cheaper and not hard to get.

            OLB is tough to draft. Barwin might just be just another body thrown onto the pile behind crable, redd, woods. No point in that. But who could legitimately start? No one, most likely.

            Dillar might last to the latter rounds, you never know. He doesn't have great speed and is kind of small.

            Did you say Brinkley in the first? Hadn't heard him ever projected that high.

            McKillop would be an ILB. Supposedly has great instincts. Beckwith from LSU is another who is kind of small but might be draftable there.

            Casey from Rice wuld be a good pick, only problem is we have a ton of TEs now, although Watson will be gone soon. Maybe Casey could play OLB, he's about the same size as Barwin.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by hannah73 View Post

              The reason I picked Gilbert this year is that it's a little tough to draft a rookie to start and that's what you'd be doign if you let Seymour walk. this way yo have time to see if he can actually do it before jettisoning Seymour.
              Who's to say we're doing that? There's a chance Seymour walks, but we also have a pretty good chance of working something out next year.

              Originally posted by hannah73 View Post
              CB they have Springs, Hobbs, Wilhite, Wheatley, richardson...another guy would just be thrown on the pile, not much room to start. But I did pick Byrd, who I figure could play safety too.
              It would be an outright mistake to count on Springs. His injury issues are just too big of a deal to ignore. We would be lucky to get ten games out of him. The rest of those guys are pretty good, but do we honestly expect them to be the future? Bringing in a talented, starting caliber cornerback would be great. Byrd would be perfect, but he's not going to last that long.

              Originally posted by hannah73 View Post
              Safety is a little tricky as it's hard to draft a rookie who can necessarily play right away. Maybe the pats defense is too tricky. Besides I think belichick likes picking veterans for leadership back there.
              I don't think it's hard to find an upgrade over Sanders though. Most people agree that Sanders is at his best as a backup and really isn't starting material. Moore, Delmas, and Johnson would all be instant upgrades and would probably start right away.

              Originally posted by hannah73 View Post
              Mack as trash? Haven't heard that one. They could use a guard/tackle but also need a backup center.
              Mack is good, but not for us. Spending a second on a backup center? Why? Especially given the fact we have needs at things beyond offensive line depth.

              Originally posted by hannah73 View Post
              I'd like to see them get a NT who can backup / replace Wilfork. wilfork may want too much money and a NT who isn't as athletic but takes up a lot of space might by much cheaper and not hard to get.
              I don't think we'll let Wilfork walk. I'm pretty sure we would franchise him if it came down to it. He's the most important player on our defense. There's no way he's going anywhere.

              Originally posted by hannah73 View Post
              OLB is tough to draft. Barwin might just be just another body thrown onto the pile behind crable, redd, woods. No point in that. But who could legitimately start? No one, most likely.
              Exactly. We would be lucky to find a productive player out of one of those guys. Crable played extremely sparingly last year, didn't see much of Redd, and Woods won't ever do much besides be a quality backup one day. With Vrabel gone, we have a pressing need to find a pass rusher. You keep saying we're not going to find guys who can start for us right away. Have to disagree with that. We've found plenty of those types of guys in recent years and 3-4 OLB is one of those positions where you can find a guy to come in and make an impact right away. It would be a mistake not to pick up a guy who can put a little heat on the quarterback. We'll end up having a very weak pass rush next year if we don't and we all know where that leads.

              Originally posted by hannah73 View Post
              Dillar might last to the latter rounds, you never know. He doesn't have great speed and is kind of small.
              The only chance he would last beyond the 4th would have been if he ran 4.6. Put up a respectable 4.5 and had an out of this world vertical. Don't think he'll be around for very long, let alone the 5th round.

              Originally posted by hannah73 View Post
              Did you say Brinkley in the first? Hadn't heard him ever projected that high.
              Not the first, but the first day, or the old one anyway. He'll be gone after the third round. The main concern with him is that he was huge and had lost a lot of his athletic ability. He's slimmed down from 280+ to 255ish and really looked a lot like he used to. Perfect thumper in the 3-4.

              Originally posted by hannah73 View Post
              McKillop would be an ILB. Supposedly has great instincts. Beckwith from LSU is another who is kind of small but might be draftable there.
              Both of those guys will probably be gone, but Beckwith wouldn't be a good pick and McKillop would only be decent because of the value. Beckwith is undersized and has major issues getting off blocks. McKillop has similar issues, actually. Both don't project terribly well to the 3-4 and don't figure to be around that long.

              Originally posted by hannah73 View Post
              Casey from Rice wuld be a good pick, only problem is we have a ton of TEs now, although Watson will be gone soon. Maybe Casey could play OLB, he's about the same size as Barwin.
              Hope you aren't serious about the last line haha, but Casey would be a good pick. We have good depth at tight end, but no real starters. Casey fits in perfectly with our offense and would give us some major league versatility.

              R.I.P. Junior Seau

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              • #8
                Originally posted by hannah73 View Post
                1. jarron Gilbert DE - need a replacement for the old and expensive Seymour and he has great strength and quickness.

                2 a) Hakeem Nicks - Good WR, hopefully not a bust like every other WR they draft

                b) Alex Mack - could play guard too in case mankins is too expensive to resign. Also need a backup center possible replacement.

                c) Connor Barwin - everyone's favorte so I threw him in here. HOpefully he can be strong at the point of attack. Otherwise he's a wasted pick.

                3a) trade for 2nd next year nad 5th this year.
                3b) supplemental - Jairus Byrd. Could play Cb or safety, great ball skills, great athlete, father was all pro CB

                4a) jaspar brinkley ILB - may too high for him
                5. Scott McKillop ILB -
                5 supplemental - Dillar WR Rice
                Not sure he's everyone's favorite but he's one of mine. As for strong at the point of attack he needs to get a little more upper body strength but that is nothing to worry about. His pass rushing ability at DE would be a plus for an OLB i would think.

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                • #9
                  just saw on espn.com that the patriots have just signed leigh bodden. pretty sweet, got two veteran corners

                  Thanks to BoneKrusher for this amazing sig!

                  Go Gators/Pats/Celts/Red Sox!

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                  • #10
                    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3968052

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                    • #11
                      ^ wrong thread? off the the FA/Trades thread to discuss. :)

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                      • #12
                        figured id just throw it in there cuz its the most recent one haha

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by hannah73 View Post
                          1. jarron Gilbert DE - need a replacement for the old and expensive Seymour and he has great strength and quickness.

                          2 a) Hakeem Nicks - Good WR, hopefully not a bust like every other WR they draft

                          b) Alex Mack - could play guard too in case mankins is too expensive to resign. Also need a backup center possible replacement.

                          c) Connor Barwin - everyone's favorte so I threw him in here. HOpefully he can be strong at the point of attack. Otherwise he's a wasted pick.

                          3a) trade for 2nd next year nad 5th this year.
                          3b) supplemental - Jairus Byrd. Could play Cb or safety, great ball skills, great athlete, father was all pro CB

                          4a) jaspar brinkley ILB - may too high for him
                          5. Scott McKillop ILB -
                          5 supplemental - Dillar WR Rice

                          OK, still think they need a 3-4 DE high.

                          so
                          Gilbert

                          2. Delmas - I pick him b/c he's similar to Meriweather and the Pats seem to like him.

                          2b. Robert Ayers - hopefully could play 3-4 OLB. Can at least hold the POA which is all important. Could possibly play inside. I think the patsies showed interest here too. Not that much in coverage right now maybe, but probably better than Vrabel.

                          2c. Jairus Byrd - I put him here b/c people say he'll be gone in the 3rd. tough though b/c the pats now have a ton of CBs springs, bodden, hobbs, wilhite, wheathley, richardson. This guy could play safety too most likely.
                          If the pats don't see room, then they'll maybe trade this pick or pick someone else.

                          3a. Eric Wood C - Louisville This guy is good and is probably better than Koppen right now. Could possibly play guard.

                          3b. Jaspar Brinkley - LB

                          4. Dillard WR - he's intelligent enough to learn the system.

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                          • #14
                            We need OL help. I would like a C and possibly a late round pick on an OT! btw Brinkley to the pats! :D

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Wo_oT88 View Post
                              We need OL help. I would like a C and possibly a late round pick on an OT! btw Brinkley to the pats! :D
                              Yeah, defense is our main concern but I would not rule out the staff falling in love with a lineman and taking him day 1 (even at 24). Dan Koppen got manhandled at times last year, especially against 3-4 teams (Jamal Williams bitched on him for an entire game). Steve Neal had a few solid years for us but he is getting pretty old and is starting to wear down and get hurt a lot. Light is still pretty good but he is aging on the left side, he still has some years left in him but he is entering his tenth season. We have a big hole at RT, Nick Kazcur isn't good and has ran into off the field trouble and Ryan O'Callaghan hasn't showed anything.

                              Mankins is really the only can't miss stud type of lineman we have, but he is a free agent after this season. We have very little depth to speak of, too. We better pay Mankins along with Wilfork, they are young and the anchors of our lines. Light is still solid but he is aging and has his occasional struggles. I could realistically see us taking a tackle, guard, or center as early as the first round. You never know with our staff until the pick is in.

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