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  • #61
    Originally posted by Don Vito View Post
    Can we discuss how much Darius Butler sucks? I feel like 90% of completions against us are on him and I don't know if I've ever seen him even break up a pass.
    Thaaaaaank you. I was literally just screaming at the tv to take Butler out of the game. I still don't understand how people were defending him on here. He either lets up the big play, or gets a huge PI call. He's my most hated player on this team besides Banta Cain.


    Originally posted by WMD
    Jesse realizing Walt was Santa Claus could really shake things up.
    Originally posted by gpngc
    I don't know how old you are, but if you can get to 24/25 without getting arrested or killed, you've done well for yourself lol.

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    • #62
      I have no idea why any of us here carry a candle for him still. Butler is dog **** tier bad.

      R.I.P. Junior Seau

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      • #63
        Won't see me doing it. Butler is dead to me lol.

        I think we need to understand this was by all respects a building year, we just had a lot of luck and played well for times, but the inexperience showed in the big game.
        Breed's QB Philosophy:
        Originally posted by Breed
        At the end of the day...

        Mobility > Accuracy

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        • #64
          Cut him in the off season. I wouldn't say it's that bad unless it was, but it is. He's wasting a roster spot at this point.

          R.I.P. Junior Seau

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          • #65
            I'm obviously in the minority here but I wouldn't cut him just yet.
            If Wilhite is still on the roster, then I can see us trying to develop Buter some more.

            Anyways... I really think BB should look at the possibility of moving up and grabbing the elite OLB pass rusher in this draft; Robert Quinn.
            Our D makes mediocre QBs look amazing due to the amount of time we give them to throw the ball.
            This isn't bend but don't break... it's basically playing prevent all game long.
            It's disgusting and I'm sick of it...
            -Boston Red Sox-New England Patriots-Boston Celtics-

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            • #66
              Going to start posting much more this offseason, instead of just reading.

              But too me, I think the Pats will finally have to address the OLB position this year. To me, Cunningham can develop, and Ninkovich is a solid situational guy but we lack a stud pass rusher who can strike fear in an opposing QB.

              Next we need a 3-4 DE who can start opposite Warren and keep Wilfork at the Nose. I love our defensive line rotation, guys like Wright, Brace, Deaderick but they aren't starters at this point, if we can get a stud anchor like a JJ Watt (in love with this kids game), I think we are set for a while along the DLine.

              We also need some help on offense, along the OLine (OT, OG/C), WR.
              And another CB wouldn't be awful, but not a top priority with upgrades to the front seven as they held their own this year with a suspect front seven and without Bodden, we should get good in this respect.

              Overall some targets I like alot for this team.

              JJ Watt, DE, Wisconsin
              Cameron Jordan, DE, California
              Marcell Dareus, DE, Alabama
              Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio St.
              Robert Quinn, OLB, North Carolina
              Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
              Jeremy Beal, OLB, Oklahoma
              Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
              Jon Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh
              Anthony Castanzo, OT, Boston College
              Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
              Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
              Rodney Hudson, OG, Florida St.
              Brandon Harris, CB, Miami (FL)
              Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
              Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado

              BB will have a lot of choices and should make the right ones, like he knows how too. I can see Offensive Line as more of a target in Round 2, along with WR as I feel the top ones will be long gone. I think 3-4 DE, and OLB will be his top targets in the 1st, if we got Robert Quinn and JJ Watt, I'd be extatic.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Don Vito View Post
                Can we discuss how much Darius Butler sucks? I feel like 90% of completions against us are on him and I don't know if I've ever seen him even break up a pass.
                Butler would be a lot better DB if he had some pass rush.

                He's bad, but our DBs almost always have to cover far too long. This team NEEDS that game breaker pass rusher to help unclog the rushing lanes.
                **** her in da *****!

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                • #68
                  I don't know...I've sort of nulled myself to the fact that we put more emphasis on disguising things and forcing quarterbacks to make mistakes than putting up big time sack numbers...

                  That's what we try to do. But is that right? I'm not really sure.

                  R.I.P. Junior Seau

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by ElectricEye View Post
                    I don't know...I've sort of nulled myself to the fact that we put more emphasis on disguising things and forcing quarterbacks to make mistakes than putting up big time sack numbers...
                    QBs don't make mistakes often when they are not pressured. One great rusher helps improve the rush accross the board because teams have to account for him. Clay Matthews, for example, is largely responsible for the pressure up the middle.
                    **** her in da *****!

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                    • #70
                      I agree with that. I'm just not sure the coaching staff does.

                      R.I.P. Junior Seau

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                      • #71
                        *drools* at thought of a C.Matthews on our team *exhales*
                        -Boston Red Sox-New England Patriots-Boston Celtics-

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                        • #72
                          I still can't be sure where exactly our biggest need is on defense. I think interior offensive line is definitely the biggest need on offense.

                          Generally our defensive line holds up well against the run but suffers in pass rushing. But when you think that the three best pass rushing defensive ends either missed the entire season or at least the end of it then it goes a way to explaining it. Kyle Love looks like a capable back up at NT. Deaderick looks ok at backup DE but neither should be counted on playing long spells. With Warren, Wright and Pryor all coming back I would contemplate leaving DE until 28 or 33 and going OLB at 17(or higher).

                          Cunningham has his one or two plays a game where he gets close to the QB. I love Ninkovich's motor on every play but he does have the talent to be a top tier guy and TBC sucks. I don't care if it's Quinn they trade up for, or Aldon Smith, Ryan Kerrigan or Justin Houston, or hell even Von Miller at this point. We simply need a pass rusher
                          Last edited by AntoinCD; 01-18-2011, 04:50 AM.


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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by descendency View Post
                            Butler would be a lot better DB if he had some pass rush.

                            He's bad, but our DBs almost always have to cover far too long. This team NEEDS that game breaker pass rusher to help unclog the rushing lanes.
                            This is especially true for the big completion to Edwards. Butler had him pretty well covered but any decent WR if given enough time should get open against man coverage.


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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by AntoinCD View Post
                              This is especially true for the big completion to Edwards. Butler had him pretty well covered but any decent WR if given enough time should get open against man coverage.
                              This. Give us a good pass rush and our CBs ratings'll go up 10 overall points in Madden
                              -Boston Red Sox-New England Patriots-Boston Celtics-

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                              • #75
                                Eh. Butler has poor body control and allows way to much separation even when there's an average amount of time. He's fast and pretty good when he doesn't have to flip his hips and go in different directions. But there's very little excuse for getting smoked as often as he does. I love what Arrington brings to the table as a nickelback and really could be the guy we've been looking for at that position, but it speaks volumes about Butler that we're more comfortable with him covering the outside receivers.

                                R.I.P. Junior Seau

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