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  • #76
    We need pressure. I think we need the DE & OLB as the top two priorities. I like what I've seen from Cunningham and think he'll develop well. But even if he becomes a solid pass rush guy another rusher as a bookend would be sick. DE is clearly a need, too. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse, but Wilfork at DE should scream "ROSTER DEFICIENCY!!!11++1!!" to anyone watching.

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    • #77
      I really am not sure why the coaching staff has been stuck in pass rusher by committee for so long.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by ElectricEye View Post
        I really am not sure why the coaching staff has been stuck in pass rusher by committee for so long.
        Because the DE to OLB transition is risky so they refuse to draft an elite one. Instead they'd rather take a guy with a more sure fire chance to produce at his position than take a player really high and change his position.

        Now we are lacking in pass rushers of all kinds really. (UT, DE, and OLB)
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        • #79
          BB is a great coach, so obviously he believed he had something in place that would work, and he has for a few seasons now and it hasn't worked out. Hopefully he gets another guy like Cunningham who can set the edge and rush, and we will be set at LB for a while.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by AntoinCD View Post
            Generally our defensive line holds up well against the run but suffers in pass rushing.
            Umm, about half of the time, they do a good job of taking on blockers and allowing linebackers to make plays. The other half they tend to fail their blocker absorbing requirements and the blockers get to the next level or they use the lineman to trap the LB inside and a huge cutback lane is created.

            This DL needs to seriously improve. We were terrible at holding the edge against the Jets and it wasn't like that was a new problem. The people responsible for holding the edge in that game deserve an F- though.
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            • #81
              1. Tyron Smith, OT, USC
              1. Rodney Hudson, G/C, Florida State
              2. Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
              2. Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami
              3. Dontay Moch, LB, Nevada
              3. Rashad Carmichael, CB, Virginia Tech
              4. Stanley Havili, FB, USC
              5. Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
              6. Darren Evans, RB, Virginia Tech
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              • #82
                Originally posted by descendency View Post
                1. Tyron Smith, OT, USC
                1. Rodney Hudson, G/C, Florida State
                2. Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
                2. Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami
                3. Dontay Moch, LB, Nevada
                3. Rashad Carmichael, CB, Virginia Tech
                4. Stanley Havili, FB, USC
                5. Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
                6. Darren Evans, RB, Virginia Tech
                Few things about this mock.

                Firstly Im not sure they need to spend a 5th rounder to compete with Hoyer. He has shown well in limited chances and while he's not the QB of the future I don't think it's time to go and get one yet.

                Secondly, if we take Smith and Hudson we would probably have the smallest offensive line in the NFL. An OT and an OG weighing a hair over 280lbs?? I'd rather pass on both personally.

                Heyward in the second is a steal and I like Hankerson.

                Carmichael I really like and I think he is very similar to Devin McCourty, only not as good.

                We don't use the FB that often in the offense and it would take away snaps from when Hernandez lines up there so Im not a big fan of Havili. Evans is a solid pick.

                Dontay Moch is the wildcard here. He is extremely raw and maybe wont be able to hold the edge, but he could be a monster with some coaching.

                Overall I wouldn't be happy with the mock but the 2nd and 3rd round would make it at least average.


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                • #83
                  I highly doubt that BB goes OT/OG in round 1 with BOTH picks, much less one. He has proven that he may go OL late in round 1, but mostly round 2 is where he finds his OT (Vollmer, Light), Mankins with late round 1.

                  I really think this year it's ideal that he AT LEAST hits on a 3-4 DE or OLB with 1 of the Round One picks and hopefully both of them. THat way he can get that out of the picture for the rset of the draft. Once that is out of the picture.

                  You have CB, WR, OT, OG -- that can all realisitcally be filled in the 2nd/3rd round. Maybe a RB in the 4th, and then depth and ST guys after that.

                  I really hope Hankerson or Baldwin turn up in a Patriots uni, to help stretch the field and open up the field for the TE's and Welker. Or if BB thinks Price is that guy then I am also fine with him stretching the field.

                  I also think we need OT/OG -- not quite sure when and who. BUt I think pick 60 will be an OT probably. With maybe a 3rd/4th on a OG. But I don't think we need 2 high OL yet. If we can get a good rookie and go Vollmer - Mankins - Koppen - Neal - ROookie -- for one more year assuming that Mankins resigns and Neal doesn't retire, I think we are fine improving our WR.

                  At Defense, in later rounds I'd LOVE a pass rush speciailist like DOntay Moch, the guy is just a monster, whO I am not sure if he can play techniqually very well, but has sick speed for a LB, and would be great in sub packages, but I wouldn't like him at all as the only OLB we get because he isn't an everydown LB or even a 2 down LB, and he is way too small for BB"s scheme anyhow.

                  New Mock at the moment:

                  #17 -- DE JJ Watt, Wisconsin
                  #28 -- OLB Justin Houston, Georgia
                  #33 -- WR Jon Baldwin, Pittsburgh
                  #60 -- OT Danny Watkins, Baylor
                  #74 -- CB Curtis Brown, Texas
                  #92 -- RB Bilal Powell, Louisville (Kid really impresses me every game I watch)
                  4th -- DE, Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh
                  5th -- OG Zach Hurd, Connecticut
                  6th -- QB Ricki Stanzi, Iowa

                  That would be a pretty solid draft hitting on all major needs DE, OLB, CB, RB, WR, OG/OT, adding depth to DLine, and giving Hoyer some healthy competition with a late pick. Overall Hurd at OG may not pan out but at least you get a body in to compete and next year you can use a higher pick on an OG when you really need one. I really like the 2 5 techs added with Romeus sliding on some boards. I am really high on Powell from Lousiville, and the rest of the picks are self explanatory.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by descendency View Post
                    1. Tyron Smith, OT, USC
                    1. Rodney Hudson, G/C, Florida State
                    2. Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
                    2. Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami
                    3. Dontay Moch, LB, Nevada
                    3. Rashad Carmichael, CB, Virginia Tech
                    4. Stanley Havili, FB, USC
                    5. Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
                    6. Darren Evans, RB, Virginia Tech
                    What I don't like about this mock is having 'Moch' as our answer to our OLB problems.
                    I love him as a prospect but he's a project and will take some time before he'd see the field.

                    Replace Smith OT with Kerrigan OLB and Carmichael with an OT and I'd like this mock a billion times more
                    A big fan of drafting Havili...
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Nalej View Post
                      What I don't like about this mock is having 'Moch' as our answer to our OLB problems.
                      I love him as a prospect but he's a project and will take some time before he'd see the field.

                      Replace Smith OT with Kerrigan OLB and Carmichael with an OT and I'd like this mock a billion times more
                      A big fan of drafting Havili...
                      The core problem I think the Patriots have with drafting an OLB is that they want a guy with DE build but linebacker skills. He has to be a 3 down player and be effective in all 3 downs. The kind of guy they are looking for is Robert Quinn more-so than anyone else. I don't know that this team will invest a first round pick on an OLB.

                      That leaves me with a few DEs or OTs. I chose Smith over the others because I think he has the most upside. A 290 LB OT isn't uncommon. While I wouldn't put him at LT right away necessarily, I could see him manning the left side instead of the right (Vollmer is slightly bigger and Smith could put on another 20-30 LBs with his fame. Plus the guy is 290 lbs already)

                      Rodney Hudson and Cameron Heyward could be swapped. He's probably more of a center than a guard, but he has elite technique. In terms of prospects, he's a few pounds and maybe an inch here and there away from being the best center prospect of this decade.

                      I think Hankerson speaks for himself.

                      Carmichael fills an obvious void in the nickel coverage packages and gives us some injury resistance.

                      Moch is to try to get another pass rusher. It's later that I'd like, but I think solidifying the other positions gives better value. I just don't love the DE/OLB given the Patriots draft history.

                      The Pats don't use a FB, because they don't have one. They use Connolly and Sammy Morris and occassionally a TE. They could do a lot more schematically with a true fullback, which I do think the offense could use.

                      I'm always about some competition at the backup QB spot.

                      And Darren Evans is my personal favorite running back after round 5. I think with how others see him, he could go undrafted. If that's the case, we need to get him in camp. He's not going to blow you away in the open field, but the rest of his game is rock solid. (He's never fumbled. . .)
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by descendency View Post
                        The core problem I think the Patriots have with drafting an OLB is that they want a guy with DE build but linebacker skills. He has to be a 3 down player and be effective in all 3 downs. The kind of guy they are looking for is Robert Quinn more-so than anyone else. I don't know that this team will invest a first round pick on an OLB.

                        That leaves me with a few DEs or OTs. I chose Smith over the others because I think he has the most upside. A 290 LB OT isn't uncommon. While I wouldn't put him at LT right away necessarily, I could see him manning the left side instead of the right (Vollmer is slightly bigger and Smith could put on another 20-30 LBs with his fame. Plus the guy is 290 lbs already)

                        Rodney Hudson and Cameron Heyward could be swapped. He's probably more of a center than a guard, but he has elite technique. In terms of prospects, he's a few pounds and maybe an inch here and there away from being the best center prospect of this decade.

                        I think Hankerson speaks for himself.

                        Carmichael fills an obvious void in the nickel coverage packages and gives us some injury resistance.
                        Moch is to try to get another pass rusher. It's later that I'd like, but I think solidifying the other positions gives better value. I just don't love the DE/OLB given the Patriots draft history.

                        The Pats don't use a FB, because they don't have one. They use Connolly and Sammy Morris and occassionally a TE. They could do a lot more schematically with a true fullback, which I do think the offense could use.

                        I'm always about some competition at the backup QB spot.

                        And Darren Evans is my personal favorite running back after round 5. I think with how others see him, he could go undrafted. If that's the case, we need to get him in camp. He's not going to blow you away in the open field, but the rest of his game is rock solid. (He's never fumbled. . .)
                        I dont think Carmichael would come in to be the nickel guy. Considering Bodden is coming back I think the team would be more than happy with Arrington and Wilhite in the slot. If they bring in a CB it will be to challenge for a starting role outside IMO.

                        As for Havili, even when they had Heath Evans they really only used him around the goal line in passing situations. I also don't see him being a conventional FB, more of simply a big slow RB.


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                        • #87
                          Here are some guys I see as possible fits in the first two rounds (regardless of whether or not we'd be able to get them):

                          RB Mark Ingram, Alabama* (1)
                          RB Mikel LeShoure, Illinois* (2)
                          RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma*
                          RB Kendell Hunter, Oklahoma St.
                          RB Shane Vereen, California*

                          WR A.J. Green, Georgia* (1)
                          WR Julio Jones, Alabama*
                          WR Jerrel Jernigan, Troy (2)
                          WR Randall Cobb, Kentucky*
                          WR Leonard Hankerson, Miami (FL)

                          OT Nate Solder, Colorado (1)
                          OT Anthony Castonzo, Boston College
                          OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
                          OT DeMarcus Love, Arkansas (2)
                          OT Ben Ijalana, Villanova
                          OT Marcus Gilbert, Florida

                          OG Rodney Hudson, Florida St. (2)
                          OG Mike Pouncey, Florida
                          OG Lee Ziemba, Auburn

                          C Stefen Wisniewski, Penn St. (1)
                          C Kristofer O'Dowd, Southern California (2)

                          DE Marcell Dareus, Alabama* (1)
                          DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio St.
                          DE Cameron Jordan, California
                          DE J.J. Watt, Wisconsin*
                          DE Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple* (2)
                          DE Jarvis Jenkins, Clemson

                          DT Christian Ballard, Iowa (2)

                          LB Robert Quinn, North Carolina* (1)
                          LB Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson*
                          LB Aldon Smith, Missouri*
                          LB Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
                          LB Akeem Ayers, UCLA*
                          LB Justin Houston, Georgia*
                          LB Jeremy Beal, Oklahoma (2)
                          LB Martez Wilson, Illinois*
                          LB Jabaal Sheard, Pittsburgh
                          LB Pernell McPhee, Mississippi St.
                          LB Sam Acho, Texas

                          CB Patrick Peterson, Louisiana St.* (1)
                          CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
                          CB Brandon Harris, Miami (FL)*

                          FS Rahim Moore, UCLA* (2)
                          FS Quinton Carter, Oklahoma
                          FS Ahmad Black, Florida
                          FS Deunta Williams, North Carolina

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                          • #88
                            I love Gilbert at OT and I kinda like the idea of Ziemba ot OG but if we go near either in the first two rounds Ill not be happy. Both are more late 3rd type guys at the minute IMO


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                            • #89
                              I don't think I'm going out on much of a limb when I say there's no way in hell we'll draft Montay Moch. He would be an ILB in our scheme and that's just not worth it. We passed on it with Everette Brown, Jerry Hughes, ect...no way we'll go to a pure speed rusher this time around. I'm not convinced at all about his ability to hold up as a starter in this league either. He's very fast and can get by slow footed college tackles. This much we know. But when he's engaged and taking on blocks he's a non-factor. We've passed on the one trick pony many, many times and we're often right.


                              LB Robert Quinn, North Carolina* (1)
                              LB Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson*
                              LB Aldon Smith, Missouri*
                              LB Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
                              LB Akeem Ayers, UCLA*
                              LB Justin Houston, Georgia*
                              LB Jeremy Beal, Oklahoma (2)
                              LB Martez Wilson, Illinois*
                              LB Jabaal Sheard, Pittsburgh
                              LB Pernell McPhee, Mississippi St.
                              LB Sam Acho, Texas
                              I think these are the only OLB's we would consider drafting, credit to ROP for putting that list together.

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                              • #90
                                Nice job putting that together ROP. A lot of those guys would be great additions at positions we certainly need help at. One thing, I don't see McPhee as a 3-4 OLB. I really see him as a pure 4-3 end at the next level personally.

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