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  • Originally posted by RaiderNation
    CJ is a raider no doubt because as u said we r trading moss for a qb. either for schaub or some1 else

    u guys wouldnt want moss right? to many off and on field actics for u guys
    Our number 1 and 2 WRs last season were Deion Branch and David Givens respectively. They've both since moved on and Belichick went out and in and effort to replace them picked up Reche Caldwell, Doug Gabriel (who he then released), and Jabar Gaffney. This group of players doesn't really inspire confidence and have been sufficient thus far.

    Belichick is looking to the future and this is evident in the drafting of Chad Jackson in the second round last draft. Dan Graham is gone next season and Troy Brown (our current #1 or #2 . . . i can never tell) will most likely retire.

    I think there is definitely room for Randy Moss on the Patriots. Belichick hasn't said that he would object to bringing in Moss but has passed on trading for him before. Over the past seasons, we have been regarded as a 'no name' team. Belichick and Pioli's methods would be questionable if not for the superbowl rings. They'll often let fan favorite players leave in order to stick to their strict plan and this does include passing on marquee names.

    The argument could be made that the Pats are rarely in position to make major 1st round moves. I am optimistic though that this draft will be different from past drafts. The options are plenty and i'd only be speculating. I expect Jackson to be our #2 next season and i feel our #1 will be picked up next year whether that is by taking someone in the draft or by trading for a big name receiver such as Moss.

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    Michael Griffin #27

    Originally posted by doingthisinsteadofwork
    the 08 Raiders will be without a doubt the best SB team ever.

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    • what makes you think graham will leave?

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      • Originally posted by 255979119
        what makes you think graham will leave?
        He's an unrestricted free agent and will get a lot of offers in the offseason. Plus we drafted David Thomas and Garrett Mills last year.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynFNxQ3b5-U
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        Michael Griffin #27

        Originally posted by doingthisinsteadofwork
        the 08 Raiders will be without a doubt the best SB team ever.

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        • I have liked what i have seen from Thomas so far as a receiving aspect, but he is not even in the same league as graham is blocking wise....

          And Mills has hardly been on the field and would not be able to handle the tough gritty jobs that graham does so well


          everybody needs a blocking tight end what makes you think we'd let one as good as graham walk?

          but youre right it all depends on the price

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          • Originally posted by 255979119
            I have liked what i have seen from Thomas so far as a receiving aspect, but he is not even in the same league as graham is blocking wise....

            And Mills has hardly been on the field and would not be able to handle the tough gritty jobs that graham does so well


            everybody needs a blocking tight end what makes you think we'd let one as good as graham walk?

            but youre right it all depends on the price
            Thomas was one of Vince Young's favorite targets in Texas and has shown a lot of promise in his limited game time. I do agree that his blocking skills aren't anywhere near that of Graham's but that could be a sign that the team is moving in a new direction Offence wise.

            To tell you the truth, i haven't seen Garrett Mills play in the preseason so i have no real opinion on him. On draft day he was listed as a FB/TE but is considered a RB on the nfl.com stats page. The pats staff must have seen something in him though to warrant selecting him in the 4th round.

            One other reason i don't see Graham coming back is because they had a chance to extended both Asante's and Graham's contracts a while back but didn't end up doing it. I like Dan Graham but he is patchy in that he will sometimes drop the simple passes, and for a former 1st round pick, it's hard to tell where he ranks among the games top 10 Tight Ends.

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            Michael Griffin #27

            Originally posted by doingthisinsteadofwork
            the 08 Raiders will be without a doubt the best SB team ever.

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            • Right now the way I see it for the Pats is this:

              1.) We resign Asante Samuel

              2.) We resign Graham and a FA CB or LB.

              I think it comes down to either or. I just have this feeling we won't sign both guys this offseason. While I hope that Samuel stays, I feel that it will be option B. I think that after Graham was named captain this season, I feel Belichick goes this route and signs a FA LB or CB.

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              • Originally posted by EHobbs27
                Right now the way I see it for the Pats is this:

                1.) We resign Asante Samuel

                2.) We resign Graham and a FA CB or LB.

                I think it comes down to either or. I just have this feeling we won't sign both guys this offseason. While I hope that Samuel stays, I feel that it will be option B. I think that after Graham was named captain this season, I feel Belichick goes this route and signs a FA LB or CB.
                We're better of giving Nate Clements a lot of money instead of Samuel.

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                • I don't know about that. After this season, Samuel has established himself as a great #1 CB. Nothing against Clements, but Samuel is 2 years younger and is an interception machine. 10 picks in one year is very impressive in this era.

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                  • Who of the current Patriots do you think will retire next season? If i were to guess, i'd say Troy Brown because he was basically retired last season before he got talked into coming back. Now that he has broken the franchise record for receptions, i think that he will hang up the cleats and call it a career. Does anyone think Rodney will retire?

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                    Michael Griffin #27

                    Originally posted by doingthisinsteadofwork
                    the 08 Raiders will be without a doubt the best SB team ever.

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                    • we dont need grahm. ben watson is a very well TE and can start

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                      • Originally posted by tylaw24
                        Who of the current Patriots do you think will retire next season? If i were to guess, i'd say Troy Brown because he was basically retired last season before he got talked into coming back. Now that he has broken the franchise record for receptions, i think that he will hang up the cleats and call it a career. Does anyone think Rodney will retire?
                        i say he retires after the '07 season

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                        • we dont need grahm. ben watson is a very well TE and can start
                          Graham is one of the most important parts in our offense. He is the best blocking TE in the game and when we have a good running game he must be a part of it. There is no way Ben Watson or David Thomas has the blocking skills that Graham has.

                          Who of the current Patriots do you think will retire next season? If i were to guess, i'd say Troy Brown because he was basically retired last season before he got talked into coming back. Now that he has broken the franchise record for receptions, i think that he will hang up the cleats and call it a career. Does anyone think Rodney will retire?
                          I think that Troy definately retires after this year. As for Rodney, I think it depends on if we win the Super Bowl or not. I think if we win, Rodney will retire, but if we don't I think he gives it one more year.

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                          • I know Rodney has said he wants to be a ref when he retires, but I see him as a definite Defensive Coordinator down the road, and maybe even a head coach. He's such a student of the game, and I just don't see him leaving the game all together.

                            That said, I don't think he will retire until he physically can't do it anymore. It almost feels like it is getting to that point, which is unfortunate, because if he didn't lose the better part of the last two years to injury, he'd still be one of the top three safeties in the league. This defense is a different defense with him on the field... which is exactly why he is my favorite Patriot EVER...

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                            • Yeah good call. If I was a head coach I would take Rodney as my D-Coordinator anyday.

                              Yeah Rodney is by far my favorite person I have ever met. I had a long talk with him and he was just so cool. It was at the mall and he and Rosie Colvin showed up to sign auto's and there was no one there. The people said I could only get 1 thing autographed and I had a tough decision to make because it was either my Rodney picture that I bought or my jersey. He called me over and told me he didn't care for the people running it and said he would sign both things. I thought it was awesome. we had a long talk. It was a great time.

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                              • I can't even believe that. I went to a signing he did with Richard Seymour, Tedy Bruschi and Corey Dillon at Rotmans in Worcester and the place was overflowing, and the organizers went late and had a ****** up line system which caused me to go towards the end, so where everyone in front got to actually talk to the guys and take pictures, I had to ******* rush through and barely got my helmet signed. Fortunately the guys all shook hands down the line. Rodney is by far my favorite player ever to wear a Patriots uniform. I'd love to shoot the **** with him.

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