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Don't want any part in Branch or Jackson. Jackson is a bad apple and Branch is washed up and doesn't bring anything we don't already have to the offense. If we were to get him for sticks of gum, sure, I'll take him, but anything of value is a huge no for me.
This is how I feel. Jackson is one strike away from getting a one year suspension and wants $10 mill. per year. If you're not going to pay Moss $9 mill, why pay this d-bag? I've been a fan of Jackson even before he had his breakthrough, but I don't want to have him on the Patriots. Branch, however, I'd love to have. I think a conditional 6th rounder would be a fair price considering what we got for Moss. Even though he's not the old Branch he would keep Brady happy and be able to contribute a bit as well. We also need another vet to bring the younger guys along imo...
Originally posted by ElectricEye
I'm a whiny little kunt. Feel sorry for me as I go masturbate to a picture of my mom dressed as a teletubby.
It is a move that I thought would not happen for a number of reasons, but I am curious to see if we actually did contact the Chargers about Jackson. He seems to possess all of the qualities that our organization sees as turnoffs.
I have a hard time even believing the rumors about Jackson. Great talent, great idiot. No thanks. There's no way in hell we'd give up picks to the Chargers, especially if reports are true that douchenozzle AJ wants a 2nd & 3rd from an NFC team and a 1st & 2nd from an AFC team.
Branch . . . w/e. I'm with EE, if it costs nothing it's cool. He'd be decent depth.
I don't see the point in Branch with Edelman and Welker... Let a team that would benefit from him (Chiefs) get him. There aren't any teams that are already out of it who have WRs they're willing to trade. So the Pats are pretty much where they're at with what they've got.
What's one dimensional about it? I see the offense becoming a better compliment to the defense now. Even more emphasis put on possessing the ball and forcing the other team's offense to do what the Patriots want them to do.
We have a collection of slot receivers, that's what makes it one dimensional. No one can beat the safety over the top. I'm not going to get into the entire Moss thing again, but I will say we don't have the personal to replace him. We're much easier to defend now.
I think the Moss trade means the Coaches believe we do have that deep threat & seam threat on the roster. Tate on the outside and Hernadez up the seam. Many of the talking heads are asking "Why now?" To me, the answer is simple: because the organization has had enough time to evaluate the health of Welker & ability of Tate / Gronk / Hernandez.
I see Tate as a better player than Branch / Bethel Johnson ever where already and they were our only deep threats back in the day. That plus a very dangerous TE puts us in position to keep the deep threat alive.
We'll find out if I (and the FO) are correct in this soon enough.
I just don't see it. Hernadez makes his plays after the catch just like all the other receivers on our roster. In soft zone coverage, he's good at finding the hole and he's probably the single best tight end after the catch in the NFL already at this point, but he doesn't have the longspeed to be an up the seam guy.
Tate is a point of contention, but still, I haven't seen it yet. Early on, it seems like he has a hard time tracking the ball. When he first started getting into games last year, Brady started bombing to him, probably to see what he had, and he looked awkward when the ball was deep in the air. Just don't think he's a natural guy on the deep ball. Hope he turns into that type of guy eventually, but I'm not expecting it.
I'm not sold on it either but I think there's a bit of a double standard / contradiction in our discussion about Moss. On one hand we, as Pats fan, are quick to say "Brady has done more with less" but then talk about how no Moss means we won't have any of the underneath stuff open.
We have won, and won big, w/small ball principles. Even if we don't have that seam / fade threat, why can we not do so again?
Don't get me wrong, I think we can do it, but I think it makes us a hell of a lot more predictable. In todays NFL, it's damn near impossible to defend receivers in the Wes Welker mold effectively, but still, the best offenses always have a guy who might not be the best receiver on the team, but who can stretch the field to keep the defense honest. I'm not talking about a guy who needs to be doubled constantly like Moss, but at least someone who can get up field and do damage. I'm not confident we have that. Combine that with our suspect defense, which some people seem to think magically got better with us trading Randy Moss, and you have some problems.
This team is built to outscore people, and I'm not confident we can do that. I totally get the ball control thing. We've been doing that the past few weeks and it's been working and making our defense look better, but we're going to be exposed against teams like Baltimore and the Colts and we're not going to be able to go score for score against teams. I don't think I can remember of a trade like this so late into the season that changed a teams identity as dramatically as this one did.
I hear you. I think to some extend the team's identity was in transition and it took a few weeks to catch up to Moss. The big sets utilizing the TEs were looking boss and I think that made Moss expendable, to an extend, of course.
I think there's a greater chance we look better because of this move than there is chance we look worse. My opinion there would be different if I thought Moss would give us his all (like he claimed he would) but I just didn't see that as a realistic hope.
He wasn't giving his all, that was obvious. It sucks because I love the guy as a player and I see where he is coming from on all the contract stuff, but just blah.
I just wish we had done this in the offseason. All of my BB rage has pretty much left me because knowing what we know about him, I guarantee he considers this entire thing to be a massive, massive failure. If we had time to vary up the personal in the offseason and get a receiver who isn't just a good compliment to Moss, it would been a lot easier to swallow. It's never a good thing to basically have to change your playbook mid-season.