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  • Originally posted by AntoinCD View Post
    Shaun Ellis absolutely killed Dan Koppen/Dan Connolly in the playoffs.
    That's Koppen and Connolly's problem, not a nod to Shaun Ellis. They did a very good job on him in the first few meetings. That was a total breakdown.

    Originally posted by AntoinCD View Post
    In regards to their front 7 the have 2 better than average ILBs and the rest is all schemed around average role players. Their safeties are also very average and have no depth. If a team handles the blitzes like the Pats did in week 13 then they can be dominated.
    That's fine. You can win BIG with players like that and some depth issues provided everything is cohesive within the scheme. They're vulnerable to quick throws when they rush, but I don't know how anyone could say that's all they're good at when they successfully clogged the middle of the field in the first game and the playoff game. Provided they work something out with Aso, they were doing that with drastically inferior coverage personal. It becomes that much harder to pass on them when you add the best corner in the league to their roster.

    Originally posted by AntoinCD View Post
    Their defensive line is currently two career backups in Devito and Pouha who played very well in relief last year, Muh Wilkerson and Kenrick Ellis-two unproven rookies and a few journey men. Not a lot to right home about of the rookies dont pan out or they get hit by injuries.
    Devito and Pouha didn't play relief last year, they started for the majority of the year and played extremely well. Might not be big names, but the kind of sort of guided them to being on of the top three teams versus the rush last year along with all those average players at linebacker. Proof is sort of in the pudding there. DE is a concern, but they've proven they can win with depth players and they're adding big talent to the mix with Wilkerson and Ellis. As much as I hate him, I have no doubt Rex Ryan will be able to put those guys in position to make impact plays and get the most out of them. Might be growing pains, but we're a good proof of concept that you can get impact from young talent early while they're still learning the ins and outs of the NFL, provided you approach it right.


    Originally posted by nepg View Post
    Secondary isn't just corners. The Pats have a really nice group of safeties.

    The main thing with that game was the Pats came out flat and didn't get into the game until the 4th quarter. The only player who was playing with any kind of fire was Julian Edelman.
    That has more to do with why we lost than anything else, but we also got flat out outcoached and outplayed. I don't see anything we added on offense through the draft and free agency so far that makes a major difference in the result of last years game X's and O's wise. If we added a bigger target who can make plays on coverage, that would be huge. Problem is, Aso completely takes that away.

    To clarify; I don't think it's impossible to beat the Jets by any means. They have some vulnerabilities on defense, even with Aso. But to suggest that the overall talent level doesn't go up through the roof because they're letting a few guys who didn't play and a few more who were league average go is completely asinine. They're an extremely well coached and talented group. We're going to need to play our absolute best to have a 50/50 shot against them(same goes for them against us, though). The past two games we've played against them are a good indication of that both ways. They came out dogging it in the last regular season game and we fell asleep in the playoffs(as well as gameplanning completely wrong).
    Last edited by ElectricEye; 07-27-2011, 06:38 PM.

    R.I.P. Junior Seau

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    • Sammy Morris was brought back for special teams and I must say I'm pretty shocked about that. Sidney Rice to Seattle, he would've been a good fit. Come on Chad Johnson.

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      • Originally posted by Don Vito View Post
        Sammy Morris was brought back for special teams and I must say I'm pretty shocked about that. Sidney Rice to Seattle, he would've been a good fit. Come on Chad Johnson.
        I'm not sure we're completely married to having him on the roster all year. He'll likely have to fight for a spot in camp/pre-season. Kettani is a guy who will be challenging for that big back role and could have special teams value as well. It is curious we brought him in though. Hopefully doesn't have an effect on Faulk, even though he might be out of a job here :(((

        Sidney Rice was always a pipe dream, 5 years at 41M affirms that, but it does sort of suck. In terms of what we need and what he brings to the table, he would have made a lot of sense here.

        R.I.P. Junior Seau

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        • Maybe Bill Belichick really is a genius.

          The Jets sign Nnamdi to a megadeal. Bad for the Patriots right?

          Except one thing... small detail... we drafted 2 running backs, have 2 great TEs, have a strong OL, and are built on slot receivers and route runners. . .

          So I hope for the Jets that Nnamdi can play NT.

          edit: we lost to the jets because our OLBs are the worst in the NFL. By far.
          **** her in da *****!

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          • I really wish we had a guy on our roster who could tackle Mark Sanchez, that's for damn sure. He must have slipped away from at least 7+ sacks against us last year on plays better linebackers make.

            R.I.P. Junior Seau

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            • It may not be a perfect situation if the Jets get Nnamdi, but at least they're sacrificing a lot of depth if they do. Just looking at their free agent list shows that a quick injury bug could do huge damage to that team. I mean these guys aren't studs by any means, but you can't just replace them with anyone.

              Drew Coleman
              Shaun Ellis
              Brodney Pool
              Eric Smith
              Wayne Hunter
              Jason Taylor
              Braylon Edwards
              Tony Richardson
              Brad Smith
              Eric Smith
              Trevor Price
              James Ihedigbo

              That's not a group of stars, but it's hard to replace those guys with random street free agents. They definitely can't hold a candle to the Pats in terms of depth.

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              • That's very true. Braylon Edwards is a guy they'll ultimately be better without despite the fact he can play like a true #1 NFL receiver on any given down. They've got in house replacements lined up for a few of those guys already in Shaun Ellis, Tony Richardson, and Trevor Pryce. Some of them won't be hard to replace. But there will be some roster turnover. Could hurt some in the short term with the extended labor situation and time to work guys in to the system.
                Last edited by ElectricEye; 07-27-2011, 08:56 PM.

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                • You guys got Fat Albert...

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                  • Well, boom or bust I guess. lol.
                    for a 2013 5th i don't care too much.

                    We'll see how it works out.
                    Breed's QB Philosophy:
                    Originally posted by Breed
                    At the end of the day...

                    Mobility > Accuracy

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                    • I love this I wanted to do it last year

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                      • Again another low risk, high reward move. I like it, I wont expect much until I see Haynesworth wants to actually play but it could really help our defense if he actually shows up to games.


                        Originally posted by WMD
                        Jesse realizing Walt was Santa Claus could really shake things up.
                        Originally posted by gpngc
                        I don't know how old you are, but if you can get to 24/25 without getting arrested or killed, you've done well for yourself lol.

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                        • Wait, what?! haha... we got Haynesworth?
                          sub package super UT sack specialist?! 4 years ago.
                          -Boston Red Sox-New England Patriots-Boston Celtics-

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                          • Originally posted by Nalej View Post
                            Wait, what?! haha... we got Haynesworth?
                            sub package super UT sack specialist?! 4 years ago.
                            I can see us moving more towards a 4-3. We've been transitioning for a couple years now.
                            Breed's QB Philosophy:
                            Originally posted by Breed
                            At the end of the day...

                            Mobility > Accuracy

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                            • Originally posted by BradysKnee View Post
                              I can see us moving more towards a 4-3. We've been transitioning for a couple years now.
                              I'm don't really know how to feel on this one. Albert Haynesworth has intriguing talent, and pretty much if he had the right mindset is Haloti Ngata with more pass rushing ability. If he decided to all of a sudden get it, that would do wonders to alleviate our current 3rd down woes. However, I'm terrified of having a malcontent like this in the locker room. We've had Dillon and Moss before, but at least those guys were wired as competitors. Their problems were that their former teams weren't winning. Haynesworth simply cares about himself over the good of his team. Think of him as the Anti-Troy Brown.

                              I really wonder how the young defense will handle having a personality like his around. Guys like Mayo, Chung, and McCourty have their heads on straight, but their should be a clause in Haynesworth's contract that terminates his contract if he even talks to a guy like Meriweather or Spikes. I do think he'll like playing for Pepper Johnson though.

                              I'm not really sure how a heavy 4-3 would look. I'm guessing it would be Cunningham-Wilfork-Haynesworth/Stroud-Warren/Moore with the LB's Guyton-Mayo-Spikes. If the Pats were to be moving to a heavy 4-3 I'd be intrigued by Ray Edwards at that RDE spot, but I think the money is too much. If they had Edwards though they could run a base 3-4 set and a base 4-3 set with perfect personel.

                              Regardless a top 10 defense from last year is adding Bodden, Warren, and now Haynesworth. It's a lot to get excited about.

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                              • Albert won't mind playing DE. Especially when he sees how the Pats' DEs have been able to compile stats over the years.

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