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  • Originally posted by Jvig43 View Post
    From a prospect model, I liked his tools and size but other than that I wasn't overly thrilled with the Dowling pick.
    I wasn't either, but then again I wanted DaQuan Bowers

    At least I was right about wanting Murray instead of Vereen.

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    • Originally posted by AntoinCD View Post
      the Pats have a horrendous record with second rounders with the exception of Vollmer in the last few years and I would hate for another two talented players to fall by the wayside
      +Gronk.

      But yeah, when you throw in Darius Butler too... ouch.

      The part about being in Belichick's dog house makes sense. Dowling shows well on the field, but has a hard time finding it.
      **** her in da *****!

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      • Random rant. **** Ninkovich. He's terrible.
        -Boston Red Sox-New England Patriots-Boston Celtics-

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        • Originally posted by Nalej View Post
          Random rant. **** Ninkovich. He's terrible.
          I've been a ninkovich apologist of sorts, but he was brutal against the ravens. He was getting popped and knocked back all game by linemen, tight ends, leach, and rice. He's always been more of a guy you would want to keep around for depth he has just been thrust into a way bigger role And has been there too long. I understand he setzz teh edgezz but he hasn't been doing too much of that, and while it wasn't just him getting neat by Baltimore he was definitely getting consistently whooped. I have always taken Nink for what he is, but even that is looking shaky now

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          • I really think he is a better LB than down end. He struggles to set the edge when he has to take the tackle on straight on. He was awful against Baltimore. That left end spot is a big hole to fill in to make this front 7 complete


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            • Here's some salary cap data I've compiled which I thought you guys may find interesting:

              NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS 2013 SALARY CAP DATA

              Notes:

              • All salary cap information is courtesy of www.nyjetscap.com except where noted (see below notes.)

              • The salary cap for 2012 is $120.6 million; for the purpose of this study, that number is projected to remain flat next year.

              RB Brandon Bolden will be an exclusive rights free agent who is listed as having a cap figure of $485,000, although the veteran minimum is actually $490,000. TE Jake Ballard will be an exclusive rights free agent (despite being listed as a restricted free agent on Rotoworld), and the minimum contract for a player of his experience is $715,000. DT Terrell McClain is also an exclusive rights free agent, and the minimum contract for a player of his experience is $490,000. CB Sterling Moore is an exclusive rights free agent, and the minimum contract for a player of his experience is $525,000. Each of New England's exclusive rights free agents (Brandon Bolden, Jake Ballard, Terrell McClain, and Sterling Moore) is projected to return.

              DT Kyle Love is listed as having a cap figure of $1,100,000, but that number has been changed to $2,050,000 (Love signed a two-year, $3.09 million deal according to Rotoworld, and received a base salary of $540,000 in 2012 along with a $500,000 signing bonus.)

              • New England's restricted free agents (TE Michael Hoomanawanui and ILB Dane Fletcher) are not projected to return because of the difficult in projecting their tender amounts. Based on 2012, the restricted free agent tenders were $2.742 million (first round), $1.927 million (second round), $1.26 million (original draft status - fifth-round compensation for Hoomanawanui, none for Fletcher, who went undrafted.) Both players would likely receive the $1.26 million low tender.

              Depth Chart/Salary Data by Position:

              Quarterback:

              1. Tom Brady ($21,800,000)

              2. Ryan Mallett ($803,953)

              Total: $22,603,953 (18.74%)

              Free agents: N/A

              Practice squad: N/A


              Running Back:

              1. Stevan Ridley ($805,500)

              2. Shane Vereen ($943,950)

              3. Brandon Bolden ($490,000) (ERFA)*

              4. Jeff Demps ($483,666)

              Total: $2,723,116 (2.26%)

              Free agents: Danny Woodhead

              Practice squad: N/A


              Fullback:

              1. Spencer Larsen ($875,000)

              Total: $875,000 (0.73%)

              Free agents: Tony Fiammetta

              Practice squad: James Develin


              Wide Receiver:

              1. Brandon Lloyd ($4,500,000)

              2. Matthew Slater ($1,966,666)

              Total: $6,466,666 (5.36%)

              Free agents: Deion Branch, Julian Edelman, Wes Welker

              Practice squad: Greg Salas


              Tight End (Y):

              1. Rob Gronkowski ($2,700,000)

              2. Daniel Fells ($1,658,333)

              3. Jake Ballard ($715,000) (ERFA)

              4. Brad Herman ($480,833)

              Total: $5,554,166 (4.01%)

              Free agents: Michael Hoomanawanui (RFA)

              Practice squad: N/A


              Tight End (F):

              1. Aaron Hernandez ($4,073,000)

              Total: $4,073,000 (3.38%)

              Free agents: Visanthe Shiancoe

              Practice squad: N/A


              Offensive Tackle:

              1. Nate Solder ($2,329,225)

              2. Marcus Cannon ($637,687)

              3. Markus Zusevics ($484,333)

              4. Kyle Hix ($483,000)

              Total: $3,934,245 (3.26%)

              Free agents: Sebastian Vollmer

              Practice squad: Matt Kopa


              Offensive Guard:

              1. Logan Mankins ($10,000,000)

              2. Dan Connolly ($3,333,333)

              3. Nick McDonald ($630,000)

              Total: $13,963,333 (11.58%)

              Free agents: Donald Thomas, Brian Waters

              Practice squad: Jeremiah Warren


              Center:

              1. Ryan Wendell ($1,015,000)

              Total: $1,015,000 (0.84%)

              Free agents: Jamey Richard

              Practice squad: Thomas Austin


              Defensive Tackle:

              1. Vince Wilfork ($10,608,120)

              2. Kyle Love ($2,050,000)*

              3. Brandon Deaderick ($593,195)

              4. Terrell McClain ($490,000) (ERFA)

              Total: $13,251,315 (10.99%)

              Free agents: Ron Brace, Myron Pryor

              Practice squad: Marcus Forston


              Defensive End:

              1. Chandler Jones ($1,857,613)

              2. Rob Ninkovich (1,666,668)

              3. Jermaine Cunningham ($913,120)

              4. Justin Francis ($482,333)

              5. Jake Bequette ($619,950)

              Total: $5,539,684 (4.59%)

              Free agents: Trevor Scott

              Practice squad: N/A


              Outside Linebacker:

              1. Jerod Mayo ($5,600,000)

              2. Dont'a Hightower (1,755,455)

              Total: $7,355,455 (6.10%)

              Free agents: Tracy White

              Practice squad: Jeff Tarpinian


              Inside Linebacker:

              1. Brandon Spikes ($823,120)

              Total: $823,120 (0.68%)

              Free agents: Dane Fletcher (RFA), Niko Koutouvides

              Practice squad: N/A


              Cornerback:

              1. Devin McCourty ($1,853,120)

              2. Sterling Moore ($525,000) (ERFA)*

              3. Ras-I Dowling ($1,446,572)

              4. Alfonzo Dennard ($494,462)

              Total: $4,319,154 (3.58%)

              Free agents: Will Allen, Kyle Arrington, Marquice Cole

              Practice squad: Malcolm Williams


              Safety:

              1. Steve Gregory ($2,183,333)

              2. Tavon Wilson ($958,613)

              3. Nate Ebner ($504,150)

              Total: $3,646,096 (3.02%)

              Free agents: Josh Barrett, Patrick Chung

              Practice squad: N/A


              Kicker:

              1. Stephen Gostkowski ($3,408,120)

              Total: $3,408,120 (2.83%)

              Free agents: N/A

              Practice squad: N/A


              Punter:

              1. Zoltan Mesko ($629,934)

              Total: $629,934 (0.52%)

              Free agents: N/A

              Practice squad: N/A


              Long Snapper:

              1. Danny Aiken ($555,000)

              Total: $555,000 (0.46%)

              Free agents: N/A

              Practice squad: N/A


              Dead Money:

              $4,152,668 ($3.44%)

              Free Space:

              ~$16,437,780 (13.63%)

              Last edited by Matthew Jones; 09-28-2012, 02:12 PM.

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              • I like it. All minus that 1.7 Mill on Ninko
                -Boston Red Sox-New England Patriots-Boston Celtics-

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                • What stood out to me was Connolly's status as the eighth highest-paid player on the team. Unfortunately, over $2 million of his cap figure is guaranteed, so there isn't a while lot to be gained by replacing him. At a glance, Steve Gregory, Matthew Slater, and Daniel Fells seem overpaid, although New England has guaranteed them all some money as well. The best way to save cap room next year without assuming dead money would probably be to cut guys like Fells ($991,000 in savings), Larsen ($750,000), Deaderick ($583,120), Hix ($480,000), and Herman ($479,166); however, even if those players all get released it's still likely that the team next year will look very similar to this year's squad. Most of New England's starters are returning and they won't have enough money to make a big splash in free agency.
                  Last edited by Matthew Jones; 09-28-2012, 12:41 AM.

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                  • I love you RoP for how much work you put into this, very nice work buddy.


                    Originally posted by WMD
                    Jesse realizing Walt was Santa Claus could really shake things up.
                    Originally posted by gpngc
                    I don't know how old you are, but if you can get to 24/25 without getting arrested or killed, you've done well for yourself lol.

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                    • Just a minor correction to make: the Kyle Love contract originally listed by NYJetsCap is correct, and that other million dollars or so is incentive-based.

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                      • I would be so lost with our cap and everything financial if it weren't for you ROP

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                        • Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post
                          What stood out to me was Connolly's status as the eighth highest-paid player on the team. Unfortunately, over $2 million of his cap figure is guaranteed, so there isn't a while lot to be gained by replacing him. At a glance, Steve Gregory, Matthew Slater, and Daniel Fells seem overpaid, although New England has guaranteed them all some money as well. The best way to save cap room next year without assuming dead money would probably be to cut guys like Fells ($991,000 in savings), Larsen ($750,000), Deaderick ($583,120), Hix ($480,000), and Herman ($479,166); however, even if those players all get released it's still likely that the team next year will look very similar to this year's squad. Most of New England's starters are returning and they won't have enough money to make a big splash in free agency.
                          There are only 2 years left on Wilfork/Brady's deals respectively, and they both have high cap numbers. Signing them to 2 year or so extensions could lower the numbers for the upcoming year and give the Pats some wiggle room. I think they'd both take the security, and I'd be comfortable enough with their performance to give them those deals. The cap should jump a bit after the next TV deal, and the Pats don't have any huge contracts looming over the horizon, so I think it could be worthwhile to pursue that option. Maybe that would open up an opportunity to get a young guy like Sean Smith who could help out the defense at a position of need.

                          I also wouldn't cut Deaderick, he's a steal at the price we have him signed at, and unless we draft a stud DT it'll be hard to get a better value for that kind of money.

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                          • Since we just took a look at New England's roster for next season and their salary cap figures, below is a list of some impending free agents that caught my eye. This isn't a "best of" list, just some players who I think may be decent investments. There are a few star players (Ed Reed, Greg Jennings, Dwight Freeney, etc.) but a bunch of low-risk investments as well (who doesn't like bargain hunting?) I tried to include any former Patriots as well, regardless of how likely they were to return. All former Patriots are in blue, and players expected to sign large contracts are in red.

                            Arizona Cardinals:

                            RB La’Rod Stephens-Howling
                            OG Rich Ohrnberger
                            S James Sanders


                            Atlanta Falcons:

                            OT Sam Baker
                            DE Lawrence Sidbury
                            CB Brent Grimes
                            S William Moore

                            Baltimore Ravens:

                            DE Arthur Jones*
                            LB Dannell Ellerbe
                            LB Sergio Kindle*
                            LB Paul Kruger
                            CB Cary Williams
                            S Sean Considine
                            S James Ihedigbo
                            S Ed Reed

                            Buffalo Bills:

                            OG Andy Levitre
                            LB Bryan Scott
                            CB Leodis McKelvin

                            Carolina Panthers:

                            WR Louis Murphy
                            OG Mike Pollak
                            CB Captain Munnerlyn

                            Chicago Bears:

                            OT Jonathan Scott
                            OT Chris Williams
                            OG Chris Spencer
                            DT Amobi Okoye
                            DE Cheta Ozougwu
                            CB Kelvin Hayden
                            CB D.J. Moore

                            Cincinnati Bengals:

                            FB Brian Leonard
                            WR Brandon Tate
                            DT Wallace Gilberry
                            DE Michael Johnson
                            LB Manny Lawson
                            CB Adam Jones

                            Cleveland Browns:

                            WR Josh Cribbs
                            WR Mohamed Massaquoi
                            TE Dan Gronkowski
                            TE Alex Smith
                            TE Ben Watson
                            S Ray Ventrone


                            Dallas Cowboys:

                            RB Felix Jones
                            WR Kevin Ogletree
                            LB Anthony Spencer
                            CB Mike Jenkins


                            Denver Broncos:

                            FB Chris Gronkowski
                            C Dan Koppen
                            CB Tony Carter

                            CB Tracy Porter
                            S David Bruton
                            S Jim Leonhard

                            Detroit Lions:

                            RB Kevin Smith
                            WR Kassim Osgood
                            OT Corey Hilliard
                            DT Sammie Lee Hill
                            DE Cliff Avril
                            DE Lawrence Jackson
                            CB Chris Houston
                            S Louis Delmas

                            Green Bay Packers:

                            RB Cedric Benson
                            WR Greg Jennings
                            CB Sam Shields*


                            Houston Texans:

                            RB Justin Forsett
                            TE James Casey
                            OT Ryan Harris
                            LB Connor Barwin
                            CB Brice McCain
                            S Glover Quin
                            KR Trindon Holliday

                            Indianapolis Colts:

                            RB Mewelde Moore
                            WR Donnie Avery
                            WR Austin Collie
                            DT Fili Moala
                            DE Dwight Freeney
                            CB Darius Butler
                            CB Justin King
                            CB Jerraud Powers

                            Jacksonville Jaguars:

                            FB Greg Jones
                            WR Maurice Stovall
                            OG Eben Britton
                            DE George Selvie
                            CB Rashean Mathis

                            Kansas City Chiefs:

                            RB Peyton Hillis
                            WR Dwayne Bowe
                            TE Steve Maneri
                            OT Brandon Albert
                            OG Ryan Lilja
                            DT Glenn Dorsey
                            LB Brandon Siler
                            S Travis Daniels
                            S Abram Elam

                            Miami Dolphins:

                            WR Anthony Armstrong*
                            WR Brian Hartline
                            TE Anthony Fasano
                            DT Randy Starks
                            CB Sean Smith


                            Minnesota Vikings:

                            WR Devin Aromashodu
                            WR Greg Camarillo
                            WR Jerome Simpson
                            LB Jasper Brinkley
                            LB Tyrone McKenzie

                            New Orleans Saints:

                            WR Courtney Roby
                            TE Daniel Graham
                            DT Sedrick Ellis
                            LB Barrett Ruud

                            New York Giants:

                            WR Ramses Barden
                            WR Victor Cruz*
                            WR Domenik Hixon
                            OT William Beatty
                            S Kenny Phillips

                            New York Jets:

                            WR Chaz Schilens
                            OG Brandon Moore
                            LB Bryan Thomas
                            S Yeremiah Bell

                            Oakland Raiders:

                            QB Matt Leinart
                            RB Mike Goodson
                            FB Owen Schmitt
                            WR Derek Hagan
                            OT Khalif Barnes
                            DE Andre Carter
                            DE Matt Shaughnessy
                            CB Phillip Adams
                            CB Ronald Bartell
                            CB Joselio Hanson

                            Philadelphia Eagles:

                            DT Derek Landri
                            DE Darryl Tapp
                            CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

                            Pittsburgh Steelers:

                            WR Mike Wallace*
                            TE Leonard Pope
                            DT Al Woods
                            CB DeMarcus Van Dyke
                            S Will Allen

                            San Diego Chargers:

                            RB Jackie Battle
                            RB Ronnie Brown
                            TE Dante Rosario
                            CB Antoine Cason
                            CB Quentin Jammer

                            San Francisco 49ers:

                            RB Brandon Jacobs
                            WR Ted Ginn Jr.
                            WR Randy Moss
                            DT Ricky Jean-Francois

                            Seattle Seahawks:

                            WR Braylon Edwards
                            C Max Unger
                            DT Jason Jones
                            CB Marcus Trufant

                            St. Louis Rams:

                            WR Danny Amendola
                            WR Brandon Gibson
                            WR Steve Smith
                            OT Quinn Ojinnaka
                            CB Bradley Fletcher
                            S Craig Dahl

                            Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

                            TE Dallas Clark
                            DT Roy Miller
                            DE Michael Bennett
                            CB Aqib Talib
                            S Ronde Barber

                            Tennessee Titans:

                            TE Jared Cook
                            DT Sen’Derrick Marks
                            CB Terrence Wheatley

                            Washington Redskins:

                            RB Ryan Grant
                            OT Tyler Polumbus
                            CB Cedric Griffin
                            KR Brandon Banks

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                            • The two guys on that list that jump off the page at me are Levitre and Max Unger. I would absolutely love either or both of those guys


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                              • Originally posted by cmarq83 View Post
                                There are only 2 years left on Wilfork/Brady's deals respectively, and they both have high cap numbers. Signing them to 2 year or so extensions could lower the numbers for the upcoming year and give the Pats some wiggle room. I think they'd both take the security, and I'd be comfortable enough with their performance to give them those deals. The cap should jump a bit after the next TV deal, and the Pats don't have any huge contracts looming over the horizon, so I think it could be worthwhile to pursue that option. Maybe that would open up an opportunity to get a young guy like Sean Smith who could help out the defense at a position of need.

                                I also wouldn't cut Deaderick, he's a steal at the price we have him signed at, and unless we draft a stud DT it'll be hard to get a better value for that kind of money.
                                Interesting thoughts, although I'm not sure Deaderick is really very valuable. He's only played 29 snaps so far this season (although he did miss last week's game with an injury), and played very poorly in 2011 when we moved to the four-man front in the miserable Deaderick/Shaun Ellis platoon. I think he'd be a better fit somewhere else as a defensive end in a one-gap 3-4; he's a little bit undersized for the 4-3 defensive tackle spot and not explosive enough for a 4-3 end.

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