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    Here's my updated Buc's mock..
    The Dez Bryant pick is assuming Suh and McCoy go 1-2... I am starting to get on board with taking Bryant over Berry, McClain or Okung ... I am sure everyone will kill me on that pick but if you can take the next "Andre Johnson" when WR is argubly the 2nd biggest need then we should jump on that pick, especially when the draft is so deep on the Defensive side...

    1. Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma ST
    2a. Jared Odrick DT Penn State
    2b. Willie Young DE North Carolina State
    3. Darrell Stuckey S Kansas
    4. Sam Young OT Notre Dame
    5. Ben Tate RB Auburn
    6. A.J. Wallace CB Penn State
    7a. Best available DT
    7b. Best available DE
    7c. Best available LB

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    He is NOT the next Andre Johnson. Johnson was much more stout and far faster coming out... plus he didn't have Michael Crabtree's agent as his agent.

    Bryant is not worth the #3... and he is already a diva headache WR in the making.

    Hate the rest of your draft, too BTW.

    Here's what I got... assuming Suh and McCoy are gone, I pray that we trade down to pick #15 or so and take a player that is just as good and might be even better than both of them... UCLA DT Brian Price

    Not counting the extra picks (let's assume we get a 2011 #1 or something)

    We go

    2a-WR Mardy Gilyard
    2b-DE Greg Hardy
    3-CB Javier Arenas
    4-LB Pat Angerer
    5-OG/OT Brandon Carter
    6-DE Brandon Sharpe
    7a-Best CB/S available
    7b-WR Freddie Barnes
    7c-Best K available
    Last edited by brasho; 01-23-2010, 06:21 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by brasho View Post
      He is NOT the next Andre Johnson. Johnson was much more stout and far faster coming out... plus he didn't have Michael Crabtree's agent as his agent.

      Bryant is not worth the #3... and he is already a diva headache WR in the making.

      Only reason he isn't projected as a top 5 pick is becasuse he missed most of the year... He plays faster then his 40 time but your right, he dosn't have "elite speed".... I am not sure who is worth #3 pick other then Suh and McCoy... I just think Bryant gives us the best impact player after Suh and McCoy, especially when you consider that you can get a good DE and DT in the 2nd round.

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      • #4
        You don't draft a WR you're not totally sold on in the top 5. That is a tricky position with a big bust factor... and Bryant reeks of trouble. He was an idiot and lied to the NCAA (stupid), he signed with Deion and Crabtree's agent (hold out), and he's already referring to himself in the 3rd person (diva). I want NOTHING to do with Bryant, even if he were to slip into round 2. He'll make Brandon Marshall look smart, Crabtree's holdout seem like nothing, and Braylon Edwards seem like a team player.


        Not only that, he played in OSU's spread which means he hasn't run many pro routes and would have a major adjustment to make. Then there's the lack of elite speed thing... I'm not even sure he has good speed.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by brasho View Post
          He is NOT the next Andre Johnson. Johnson was much more stout and far faster coming out... plus he didn't have Michael Crabtree's agent as his agent.

          Bryant is not worth the #3... and he is already a diva headache WR in the making.

          Hate the rest of your draft, too BTW.

          Here's what I got... assuming Suh and McCoy are gone, I pray that we trade down to pick #15 or so and take a player that is just as good and might be even better than both of them... UCLA DT Brian Price

          Not counting the extra picks (let's assume we get a 2011 #1 or something)

          We go

          2a-WR Mardy Gilyard
          2b-DE Greg Hardy
          3-CB Javier Arenas
          4-LB Pat Angerer
          5-OG/OT Brandon Carter
          6-DE Brandon Sharpe
          7a-Best CB/S available
          7b-Best WR available
          7c-Best K available
          As far as your draft I wouldn't mind trading down... Like the Price pick, Gilyard projects as a slot WR and looks like Sammie is our slot guy - rather see D. Thomas or Briscoe but I guess can't really complain all that much if we got Gilyard, Hardy is another question mark but I wouldn't mind him if he looks totally healthy and has a good combine, rest of the picks our fine but would hope we pick a Saftey with one of first 5 picks as we will probably be able to get a really good Saftey with one of them...

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          • #6
            The 2nd round is where the question marks begin, if there were no question marks they would be 1st rounders. I'm not sure Gilyard is a slot guy... but I also like D. Thomas (though he seems to be a big-time project) and I really like Dezmon Briscoe.

            I think Arenas will run poorly at the combine and will fall to round 3, which we will then have to jump on him. If he isn't there I can see Kam Chancellor or another S there.

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            • #7
              For the record, if by chance we picked Eric Berry or somebody else not named Brian Price, Suh or McCoy in round 1, which would have me screaming and cussing as badly as when we drafted Adams over Patrick Willis, I truly believe that DT Lamarr Houston of Texas could be as good as an UT prospect in the draft. He hasn't played the DL for very long and has only been a DT for 2 seasons... also he played the single best bowl game of any DT in the country IMO.

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              • #8
                I look at it this way too - What is the drop off of play from Dez Bryant to Mardy Gilyard? And what is the drop off of play from Brian Price to lets say Arthur Jones or Dan Williams?

                I just think there is more of a drop off at WR then DT.... And if I am not mistaken I think Gilyard played in the spread too... I think after the combine Dez's stock will shoot up a lot... And as far as the agent stuff i would hope that we would start the contract talk before we drafted him so we don't have a Crabtree incident...

                But don't get me wrong, I knew no one would agree with me on the Dez pick and I understand where your coming from....
                Last edited by KennyG; 01-23-2010, 06:52 PM.

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                • #9
                  Here's a (somewhat unlikely) scenario I'd really like:

                  - The Rams and Lions select Suh and McCoy, respectively.

                  - The Buffalo Bills wish to trade up to select Jimmy Clausen. The Buccaneers trade the 3rd overall pick to the Buffalo Bills for the 9th and 41st overall picks.

                  - The Buccaneers trade the 41st and 43rd overall picks to the Tennessee Titans for the 16th overall pick.


                  1a - Derrick Morgan (DE, Georgia Tech)
                  1b - Brian Price (DT, UCLA)
                  2 - Damian Williams (WR, Southern California)
                  3 - Tyson Aualu (DT, California)
                  4 - Kyle Calloway (OT, Iowa)
                  5 - Syd'Quan Thompson (CB, California)
                  6 - Robert Johnson (S, Utah)
                  7 - Zoltan Mesko (P, Michigan)
                  7 - A.J. Wallace (CB, Penn State)
                  7 - Andrew Quarless (TE, Penn State)


                  With this draft, we'd provide a massive boost to the interior defensive line. A rotation of Brian Price, Roy Miller and Tyson Alualu could shape up to be fantastic. Derrick Morgan would also provide us with an above average pass rusher at defensive end, which we sorely need. Couple that with the three secondary picks and there's a large influx of new talent on the defensive side of the ball with this scenario.

                  On the offensive side, Williams will probably end up being a solid #2 at worst, which is much better than anyone else we have on the roster. Stroughter is coming along nicely, but probably won't ever be anything more than a slot receiver. Calloway provides depth and could transition to the guard position if needed, but might also be able to push Trueblood for the starting RT spot. Quarless is a project, but could provide the Bucs with a good option as a receiver when Winslow rotates out or is lined up at TE.

                  As for Mesko, there's no guarantee that Bidwell comes back and Dirk Johnson isn't cutting it. Mesko is the best punter in the draft, so he's worth the pick at what could end up being a need. The last thing we need is a musical chairs situation at punter like we had at the kicking position early in the 2009 season.
                  Last edited by Legacy; 01-23-2010, 07:06 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Legacy View Post
                    Here's a (somewhat unlikely) scenario I'd really like:

                    - The Rams and Lions select Suh and McCoy, respectively.

                    - The Buffalo Bills wish to trade up to select Jimmy Clausen. The Buccaneers trade the 3rd overall pick to the Buffalo Bills for the 9th and 41st overall picks.

                    - The Buccaneers trade the 41st and 43rd overall picks to the Tennessee Titans for the 16th overall pick.


                    1a - Derrick Morgan (DE, Georgia Tech)
                    1b - Brian Price (DT, UCLA)
                    2 - Damian Williams (WR, Southern California)
                    3 - Tyson Aualu (DT, California)
                    4 - Kyle Calloway (OT, Iowa)
                    5 - Syd'Quan Thompson (CB, California)
                    6 - Robert Johnson (S, Utah)
                    7 - Zoltan Mesko (P, Michigan)
                    7 - A.J. Wallace (CB, Penn State)
                    7 - Andrew Quarless (TE, Penn State)


                    With this draft, we'd provide a massive boost to the interior defensive line. A rotation of Brian Price, Roy Miller and Tyson Alualu could shape up to be fantastic. Derrick Morgan would also provide us with an above average pass rusher at defensive end, which we sorely need. Couple that with the three secondary picks and there's a large influx of new talent on the defensive side of the ball with this scenario.

                    On the offensive side, Williams will probably end up being a solid #2 at worst, which is much better than anyone else we have on the roster. Stroughter is coming along nicely, but probably won't ever be anything more than a slot receiver. Calloway provides depth and could transition to the guard position if needed, but might also be able to push Trueblood for the starting RT spot. Quarless is a project, but could provide the Bucs with a good option as a receiver when Winslow rotates out or is lined up at TE.

                    As for Mesko, there's no guarantee that Bidwell comes back and Dirk Johnson isn't cutting it. Mesko is the best punter in the draft, so he's worth the pick at what could end up being a need. The last thing we need is a musical chairs situation at punter like we had at the kicking position early in the 2009 season.
                    Seems incredibly optimistic to me. But in saying that I wouldn't be disappointed if something like that happened.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Caddy View Post
                      Seems incredibly optimistic to me. But in saying that I wouldn't be disappointed if something like that happened.
                      Oh, I agree with that. No harm in being a glass half-full kind of guy, though. ;)

                      I'll probably work up a more realistic Bucs mock later.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Legacy View Post
                        Oh, I agree with that. No harm in being a glass half-full kind of guy, though. ;)

                        I'll probably work up a more realistic Bucs mock later.
                        I'll probably hold off on doing a mock until after the combine. That is when we'll really start to get a feel for where players will wind up being drafted.

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                        • #13
                          1. Gerald McCoy, DT Oklahoma
                          - Any other year, and we could very well be talking about him going #1 right now. Fills one of our biggest needs and IMO is the BPA.

                          2a. Golden Tate, WR Notre Dame
                          - Doesn't have the most impressive measurables, but always comes up big in games. I think he slips here because others with more 'potential' will be selected first. Considered Lafell, but kind of turned off that he'll be a 24 year old rookie.

                          2b. Donovan Warren, CB Michigan
                          - It seems like after Haden, the CB class is wide open. A lot of different guys that could potentially go anywhere from late 1st to the 3rd. Warren is near the top of the list of DBs I'm hoping we can nab in the 2nd. Other possibilities around this range; Amari Spievey, Patrick Robinson, Perrish Cox, Devin McCourty, Kareem Jackson, Jerome Murphy, Brandon Ghee, Javier Arenas, Kyle Wilson, Dominique Franks, and Syd'Quan Thompson.

                          3. Jermaine Cunningham, DE Florida
                          - I'm not a UF fan (actually pretty much the opposite), but I think Cunningham is a little underrated right now. I believe he'll break the recent bad streak of UF DE's. Good pass rusher and ability to be a full-time starter in our D.

                          4. Larry Asante, SS Nebraska
                          - Safety that is known for his tackling. Sounds good to me. Former linebacker. Certainly an upgrade over Will Allen and can hopefully push Sabby for the starting job.

                          5. Josh Moore, CB Kansas State
                          - Literally no one is talking about him right now, but that might change soon. A surprise underclassmen declaree, Moore has nice CB size and good speed. Oh, did I mention that as a freshman he started the final five games of the season, playing under a young DC by the name of Raheem?

                          6. Rico McCoy, LB Tennessee
                          - Classic undersized LB, but is just a straight up football player on the field. His size will be an uphill battle to be able to stick. We could use the depth at OLB though and there's always a chance he's the next Geno.

                          7a. Darius Marshall, RB Marshall
                          - Maturity and drug issues hurt his stock. Isn't the most physically imposing back and he isn't going to be one of the fastest timed, but has a good burst and vision. Isn't even 21 yet. Hopefully works out for us like Bradshaw did for NY.

                          7b. Arthur Moats, DE James Madison
                          - Sleeper DE prospect. Most project him to make the switch to a 34 OLB, but I like him as a situational pass rusher for us. He'll be playing in the upcoming Texas vs. Nation game so keep an eye out for him.

                          7c. Brandon Banks, WR Kansas State

                          Broke onto the scene last year as JUCO transfer. Had a great connection with Josh Freeman in their one year together as Banks put up ridiculous production despite his size. One of the fastest players in the draft. Despite all this, too many issues might leave him undrafted; character issues, his senior production drop-off, and the fact that he's undersized for even high school standards. Last year some of you may remember I was high on Sammie Stroughter in the months leading up to the draft, and was excited when we actually took him. Banks has very much of the same problems stacked up against him as Stroughter did, but we took a chance last year and it seemed to pay off.

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                          • #14
                            Unreal Mock....DJC....i am happy with every one of those picks(although I don't know much about the 7th rounders)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Legacy View Post

                              1a - Derrick Morgan (DE, Georgia Tech)
                              1b - Brian Price (DT, UCLA)
                              2 - Damian Williams (WR, Southern California)
                              3 - Tyson Aualu (DT, California)
                              4 - Kyle Calloway (OT, Iowa)
                              5 - Syd'Quan Thompson (CB, California)
                              6 - Robert Johnson (S, Utah)
                              7 - Zoltan Mesko (P, Michigan)
                              7 - A.J. Wallace (CB, Penn State)
                              7 - Andrew Quarless (TE, Penn State)
                              I like this, for the most part, although I agree with Caddy that it seems unlikely.

                              I like the Morgan pick. I think he can be an all-around Pro Bowl DE for many years.

                              Again, like the Price pick, but not sure if he makes it this far. I think he'll blow up with workouts and the combine, and more tape evaluation. Combine that with his scheme versatility as a possible 34 DE, and I'd give it about a 25% shot he makes it out of the top 15. Then again it's early in the process.

                              I'm on the fence about Damian right now. He's more quick than fast. I think he'll start to slip some after the combine if he doesn't run well as teams will start bringing up Jarrett comparisons more.

                              The next 3 picks I like, but again just IMO I don't see them lasting this long. Calloway probably is realistic, but I don't see Alaualu making it out of the 2nd (for some of the same reasons as Price) and Thompson making it past the 3rd at the latest. I know Scott isn't a big fan, but I've seen others that have him as a borderline 1st despite his size. He has some of the most flexible stock this year and it'll be interesting to see where he actually lands.

                              I like Robert Johnson at S if he's there in the 6th. He'd bring good competition to Sabby and at worst should stick as a back-up since we don't really have anyone else.

                              Mesko pick is good if he's worth drafting. I'm pretty tired of the pick a punter game too. The two Penn State players are good low risk/high reward players with some potential this late in the draft. I liked what I saw of Quarless when I noticed him in the Shrine game, and have been a fan of finding a replacement for Stevens.

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