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    I'm not a big fan of this draft at all, and I really doubt Gruden's ability to draft and evaluate talent.

    1. Gaines Adams: If the rumours were true that we could've traded both 2nd and this pick for CJ, we should've done that. I'd rather Okoye here, he's 4 full years younger than Adams and we could've picked several solid DEs later on. On the other hand, we didn't get a DT til the 5th because of the lack of talent.
    B+

    2a. Arron Sears: I won't accept any justification for this pick. If we want an interior lineman we could've draft Blalock or Kalil. Lots of other great options here as well, but we take an oversized G with poor feet. He can't play T either because of his lack of length and lack of quickness, once again.
    F

    2b. Sabby Piscitelli: Right idea with the position, but wrong player. He reminds me too much of Phillips and isn't an upgrade over him IMO. He looks like a career special teamer because of his tackling inconsistencies and poor field awareness. Doesn't move as well as numbers indicate.
    C

    Note: It's even more aggravating that we didn't trade up for CJ because of the picks we used in his place....

    3. Quincy Black: Pretty good player and a good fit, but OLB isn't an immediate need. We could've added instant-impact WRs here. If we took Okoye we could've stolen Charles Johnson here....
    B-

    4. Tanard Jackson: Best pick of our draft and best value. He's versatile and I love his playmaking abilities, run support and closing speed.
    A+

    5. Greg Peterson: Undervalued UT prospect. I like this pick because he needs time to develop so obviously we are content with a Wyms/Carter rotation for now. He has a big frame and good quickness with untapped potential.
    A-

    6. Adam Hayward: Don't know much about this guy but we passed up some good MLBs to take him (Siler, Harris, Bishop)
    C+

    7. Chris Denman, Marcus Hamilton, Kenneth Darby: Denman and Hamilton provide good depth. Darby has little chance to make an impact whereas a guy like Darius Walker could be an effective weapon in the passing game.
    B

    Overall:
    Some good picks and some terrible ones. I'm very bitter as a whole because of the path we took, missing out on some great value and steals because of previous reaches. The players we took with make very little impact as rookies and we need to win now. This draft makes me think our management is rebuilding, or they just don't know how to manipulate the draft. Our division rivals landed plenty of steals like Jarrett, Johnson, Blalock, Houston, Kalil etc.
    C

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  • #2
    From the other thread with stuff added:
    Adams wouldn't be my top choice, but with Grant off the market and Rice leaving next year it's not a bad pick. Monte really seems high on him, In the post pick press conference He was bouncing off the walls, and lining up and acting out the moves Adams could do.

    Buenning is moving to Center. We had Sears visit, If he was there man, we now have a need at LG, So it makes sense. He could also see some time at LT, But I doubt it. I Might've gone with Blalock instead but doesn't have the technique Sears does and =maybe that was the deciding factor.

    I was mixed on Piscatelli, Then I heard an interview of his. He played the Cover Two in High School and its his favorite defense, Like most of our other picks, it really seemed like he wanted to play for the Bucs. He ended the interview by stating something to the extent of: "It doesn't matter to me If I start at day one, As long as I can say I was one of the Hardest Working players in the league." That's the kind of player we need on this team. He's growing on me and I'd think he could challenge for a starting job.

    Quincy Black, It's not a terrible pick like others are saying, but it's certainly not great. He played the same scheme and position Brian Urlacher played(The "Lobo" Linebacker) so immediately he's gonna provide depth up the middle, but he has the speed to play WLB, so he can also be groomed to be Brooks' replacement. Personally, I think he'd fit best as an MLB in a cover two because of his pass protection, which could move Ruud out of Pasass Protection. I would like that.

    Tanard Jackson - Could be a steal if groomed correctly. I'd like to see him replace Brian Kelly although he could easily become a FS. Good pick.

    Greg Peterson - Is most likely going to be placed at UT. I like his size and if he gets developed correctly we could have a starter. I like his upside and how he plays now.

    Adam Hayward - I don't really see the need of another Linebacker. I couldn't find much on him, But from I did find I think he fits good, just we have no need for him.

    "ADAM HAYWARD Portland State 6’0” 235 Sr. OLB
    Strong, fast and versatile. Has played ILB/OLB, DE and Safety. Transfer from Colorado State. Led team in tackles this season. A huge playmaker that has an amazing motor. Named DPOY this season. 2006: 104t, 16.5tfl, 9.5 sacks, 7pbu, qbh, FR, 3FF, SN All American, AP All American, All Big Sky"

    http://www.martynmatt.blogspot.com/ <-Source
    SideNote: Almost the exact size of Derrick Brooks, Same height and only a one pound difference. I think he's gonna be the WLB of the future.
    Chris Denman - Decent value in the 7th round, should be a depth guy.

    Marcus Hamilton - Another Developmental guy who could be a decent Cover Two corner, as his biggest weakness(Speed) isn't a factor. He plays the run well and is good in the zone.

    Kenneth Darby - Average Running Back. I'd rather have Earnest Graham get carries over him.

    Summary: I really like how the Gruden/Allen co. drafted. The difference being we actually gave Monte Kiffin some help! They seem to want to rebuild instead of going with the Quick fix. The only things I'm iffy on are:

    Did we actually get an impact DT?


    No KR/PR?

    But, from what I've seen from Hamilton I like, so these things are very minor,

    GRADE: B+

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    • #3
      etk about the sears pick, some dont like Blalock (including me) because he played so much tackle in college and they dont know how he will transition and Kalil wouldve been nice but is undersized. Buenning is moving to Center and Sears is going to play LG. And sears can play, LT,LG,RG,or RT. I don't see where you come off saying that he can not play tackle since he was one of the best OL in the draft when it comes to versatility.

      Angels Record: 6-8

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      • #4
        I don't feel like editing my post again, But when I say that Quincy Black can split time with Barrett Ruud, I mean replace. He fits WAY better as a Cover Two MLB than Ruud, I thought Quincy Black had issues shedding blocks and stopping the run, but that seems to be wrong. He's bigger than Ruud, A better fit in our defense than Ruud, and will start over Ruud sooner or later.
        Last edited by Tampa 2 4 life; 04-29-2007, 06:44 PM.

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        • #5
          I'm upset right now. I really wish we would have traded for CJ if this was the draft we were going to get. A Backup S and a G/T who wont be great at anything, moreso decent. Plus I dont see the need for a G at all. Kalil was RIGHT THERE for the taking.

          I'd much rather have the Panthers draft over ours

          i'd take Beason, Kalil, Charles Johnson, and DJ over what we drafted (and we supposedly had better pick positioning).

          The only picks I think couldbe very good for us is Adams and Tanard. In a way I wish Gruden would have tried to trade for Moss with our 4th round pick.

          I mean I'm just upset, I could look back a year later and be wrong. But I would had rather traded our two first rounders, and still get Charles Johnson and Tanard Jackson. That gives us that impact S (since I think he switches) and LDE.

          Its a C draft, nothing special, and surely not what it could have been. Gruden has usually struct gold with our 1st rounders, so lets see how Adams plays. Still, CJ was in our hands, and we didnt take him.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by -black View Post
            Plus I dont see the need for a G at all.
            Buenning is moving to Center. Which opens up a hole at LG.

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            • #7
              Buenning should stay at LG (I stated this awhile ago) because he has played well there when healthy. Lets keep him at G and take a pure C who is IMO the best overall lineman in the draft (better than Joe Thomas, just at a lower rated position). Plus Anthony Davis can play LG. Im really hoping Sears isnt Cosey Coleman part 2 or either just a glorified Anthony Davis.


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              • #8
                I didn't call Marcus Hamilton to the Bucs 4 months ago.

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                • #9
                  Adams - Can't say I was shocked with this pick in anyway. With Calvin off the board he was really a no-brainer and the staff obviously didn't take to Okoye as much as we had thought. We have locked down our RE of the next 8 years. My only concern is his age. B+

                  Sears - When I first saw this pick I hated it. However, games are won and lost in the trenches and if he improves our running game and passing game then it will be a good pick. He will be starting at LG before half way through the season. C

                  Piscitelli - I know some people are scared off by his tackling skills, but the kid is an impact at safety and might be just what we need. He will probably start somewhere before the season is over. B

                  Black - With his speed I see him as the heir apparent to Brooks. He is raw and inexperienced and definitely needs some work before he sees any time on the field. Don't be confused by the fact that he played the same position as Urlacher in College either. Boom or Bust kind of guy. B

                  Jackson - Good value pick, but a guy with a few character concerns. If he plays CB he probably won't see the field at all except in Dime/Special Teams. He also has potential at FS and a starting safety duo of Jackson/Piscitelli could be in order. A-

                  Peterson - I'm not really sure if he is going to play as an end or tackle in our system. He is undersized for a tackle at just over 270lbs. His speed is one thing that really intrigues me. B+

                  Hayward - I remember the Buc's bringing him in a few months ago and really didn't think anything of it. The front office/coaches must have seen something, and if nothing else he will replace Ruud on ST's.

                  Denman - What can you say about a 7th round pick? He is probably destined for the Practice Squad and faces an uphill battle to make the roster. C

                  Hamilton - Like Denman, will have to beat out Zemaitas, Davis, Bolden and Cox just to make the roster which I don't see happening. C-

                  Darby - He is just plain slow and with Graham's special team skills I can't see him making it as our 3rd RB. D

                  Overall I think this is a draft for the future. There will most likely be little instant rewards, but in a year or so this draft could have been the infusion of youth our defense has been lacking.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by -black View Post
                    Buenning should stay at LG (I stated this awhile ago) because he has played well there when healthy. Lets keep him at G and take a pure C who is IMO the best overall lineman in the draft (better than Joe Thomas, just at a lower rated position). Plus Anthony Davis can play LG. Im really hoping Sears isnt Cosey Coleman part 2 or either just a glorified Anthony Davis.
                    We dont know if Anthony Davis can play LG.

                    Angels Record: 6-8

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tampa 2 4 life View Post
                      I don't feel like editing my post again, But when I say that Quincy Black can split time with Barrett Ruud, I mean replace. He fits WAY better as a Cover Two MLB than Ruud, I thought Quincy Black had issues shedding blocks and stopping the run, but that seems to be wrong. He's bigger than Ruud, A better fit in our defense than Ruud, and will start over Ruud sooner or later.
                      Ruud isnt going to get replaced, why would we not give him a chance? thats completely STUPID.

                      Angels Record: 6-8

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TwOne View Post
                        Ruud isnt going to get replaced, why would we not give him a chance? thats completely STUPID.
                        He's not good in pass coverage, and that's something a cover two MLB needs to do. I think he's great in Run coverage, but Black fills in where he's lacking.

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                        • #13
                          Now here's the thoughts portion of my post for this thread:

                          -Our draft puts a lot of pressure on Clayton to perform again and Galloway to stay healthy. We didn't draft a WR or any playmakers for that matter, so our coaches are obviously content with our starters and like the prospects for Stovall entering the season. If they are right in that sense this draft I'll upgrade this draft a full letter. This also leaves David Boston another chance to make and impact and make the roster.

                          -Gruden sees Offensive Line as the root of our problems offensively. Obviously he values line play higher than anyone, because Sears was questionable need/value in the early 2nd. Once again I'm not sure we have the playmakers necessary to succeed consistently, but with strong line play Cadillac should have a career year while Simms will make better decisions. We have solid youth at all 5 line positions, and even if Davis is not the long-term answer at LT we can still draft one in the next 2 years.

                          -I'm very nervous about our defensive line still. Adams will immediately become a force on passing downs, where teams will find it difficult to stop him and Rice on a daily basis. We still have a starting 4 of Spires/Rice/Hovan/Wyms with questionable depth still. Kevin Carter could prove to be an asset but our run defense will struggle again this year.

                          -We will have a dominant pass defense again. Our pass rush will cause a lot of problems with Adams, Rice, Wyms & Carter all adept at getting to the QB. We will be able to drop back our linebackers more often, allowing Brooks & June to shine in coverage. Cato June could potentially make a ton of plays picking off forced passes down the middle, I'm starting to love that signing. Our defensive backs are not particularly special but our safeties should improve, allowing our front seven to make life easier. Will Allen will get his confidence back. I expect a lot of defensive TDs like the Super Bowl days.

                          -Brian Kelly will be cut, and Tanard Jackson could start by Week 10 or so.

                          -Black and Piscitelli will be monsters on Special Teams while Denman makes the team at some point contrary to 'caddy's views.

                          -We will have to wait until 2008+ before we return a kickoff for a TD.....

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tampa 2 4 life View Post
                            He's not good in pass coverage, and that's something a cover two MLB needs to do. I think he's great in Run coverage, but Black fills in where he's lacking.
                            Cato June will be our MLB on passing downs. Quincy Black was not drafted to replace Ruud, he was drafted for special teams and as Brooks' future replacement

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                            • #15
                              1. Gaines Adams: He was the best player left for our current needs. I'd rather have traded the two 2nd rounders we got for CJ.
                              B-

                              2a. Arron Sears: I think this guy will make an above average Guard. However, I don't like the idea of shifting him to a position he hasn't shown he can dominate and than in turn shiftin Buenning to a new position we don't know how he'll do when we could have just taken Kali who we knew could dominate at Center. Does'nt make sense to play musical chairs with players when you can take a player you know can produce.
                              D

                              2b. Sabby Piscitelli: Alright since we needed an upgrade at safety, but it wasn't good value and I dont see this guy being above average.
                              C


                              3. Quincy Black: Very good player, not excatly sure how the whole LB core is going to be sorted out. Looks like more musical chairs going to happen, but unlike lineman there wasn't a great player at Strong side we could have taken.
                              B

                              4. Tanard Jackson: Great value, fits the system as a corner and potentially could play safety.
                              A+

                              5. Greg Peterson: This guy looks like a project, but if he pans out could be a great player and thats what you look for in the late rounds. Probably won't make a big impact early (but with our current DTs he might be forced in)
                              A

                              6. Adam Hayward: Who? From the tiny info I could find on Foxsports "Classic Cover-2 linebacker, but his size issues might make him a better fit at weak-side rather than strong-side" we really don't need another weak side linebacker. What makes this pick worse is that we passed on Wendling at Safety.
                              F

                              7. Chris Denman: Good, could potentially be a starter at RT. Thats really what you look for in the 7th round, potential to be above average.
                              A

                              Marcus Hamilton: Good depth, not a potential to be a starter but does provide depth.
                              B+

                              Last guy I can't remember his name and its not worth looking up sicne we'll never see him playing.
                              F

                              Overall: Poor, with the high picks and 2 2nd rounders we should have done alot better. Just thought of something else we could have done with our 2nds besides get CJ. Take Weddle 2a and trade up from 2b to get Kali.

                              Overall C

                              C
                              "We're only going to score 17 points?" Brady said before chuckling about it. "OK. Is Plax playing defense? I wish he had said 45-42 and gave us a little credit for scoring more points."

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