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  • Chris Colmer

    Why was he released?



    <+fenikz> "**** the Police, ride my fischstache bitches"

  • #2
    Failed a physical because of his Parsonage Turner Syndrome affecting his shoulders since college. We were pretty much set at tackle anyway with Petitgout/Davis on the left and True/Denman on the right. Still, what a waste of a draft pick. As a team who had little young talent, they should have known better than to take huge medical risk, with limited potential, with a first day pick. But what can you do?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dbtb135 View Post
      Failed a physical because of his Parsonage Turner Syndrome affecting his shoulders since college. We were pretty much set at tackle anyway with Petitgout/Davis on the left and True/Denman on the right. Still, what a waste of a draft pick. As a team who had little young talent, they should have known better than to take huge medical risk, with limited potential, with a first day pick. But what can you do?
      That was the reason why he was drafted. He had potential. The problem with the "p" word is that it doesn't always work out and that is what we got with Colmer.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 24cadillac24 View Post
        That was the reason why he was drafted. He had potential.
        LIMITED potential. Of course he had potential, but not the type of potential that makes you overlook his situation. Especially in the 1st day.

        As I explained on the PR boards, Marcus McNeil had crazy potential. Freak of nature size, legit LT potential, outstanding play in a tough conference, didn't miss a game in his last two seasons at Auburn(IIRC), among the best LTs in football his junior and senior seasons. And he still fell a round because of his back concerns. Meanwhile, Colmer: a man of limited potential (he wasn't counted on to be our LT of the future, maybe not even our RT of the future), best play was 2nd team All ACC, missed an entire football season due to this syndrome he had, didn't even work out at the combine. And he didn't even fall out of the first day?

        Big risk, that was fulfilled in that he never even played a down for us/ minimal reward.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dbtb135 View Post
          LIMITED potential. Of course he had potential, but not the type of potential that makes you overlook his situation. Especially in the 1st day.

          As I explained on the PR boards, Marcus McNeil had crazy potential. Freak of nature size, legit LT potential, outstanding play in a tough conference, didn't miss a game in his last two seasons at Auburn(IIRC), among the best LTs in football his junior and senior seasons. And he still fell a round because of his back concerns. Meanwhile, Colmer: a man of limited potential (he wasn't counted on to be our LT of the future, maybe not even our RT of the future), best play was 2nd team All ACC, missed an entire football season due to this syndrome he had, didn't even work out at the combine. And he didn't even fall out of the first day?

          Big risk, that was fulfilled in that he never even played a down for us/ minimal reward.
          I think Gruden was targeting McNeil in round 2 but unfortunately San Diego got him and so we grabbed Trueblood instead.

          I think McNeil would have been a much better RT than LT for us and we would have won a lot more games with him last season.

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          • #6
            Colmer was a wasted pick, as was Cooper, hopefully Zematis doesn't turn out to be the same. It is frustrating how the Bucs' current managment throws away picks, especially day 2 picks.
            "If everyone liked the same thing everyone would be after your grandmother."

            My Grandfather

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dbtb135 View Post
              LIMITED potential. Of course he had potential, but not the type of potential that makes you overlook his situation. Especially in the 1st day.
              Of course potential is limited, but you were downplaying the potential Colmer had. He was a classic boom/bust guy. You can't win them all, or any if you look at the current Bucs.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 24cadillac24 View Post
                Of course potential is limited, but you were downplaying the potential Colmer had. He was a classic boom/bust guy. You can't win them all, or any if you look at the current Bucs.
                We can agree to disagree there. It might seem like I'm not giving Colmer his due, but I just didn't see the reward outweighing the risk there. He was a guy who probably didn't have the size or agility to compete with the ends he would have been facing in the South. Adequate RT or guard at most. To take a risk like that, he should be an impact player in the making. But he wasn't a guy you'd already pencil into the lineup Eg: Davin, Sears, McNeil, etc.

                And this was Gruden's big character/intelligence draft with Ruud, Alex Smith, and Buenning preceding and following the Colmer pick. If memory serves correctly, Colmer was a pretty smart guy with no record IIRC. Maybe his intelligence and interviews earned him points from the staff.

                Originally posted by simms2clayton View Post
                I think Gruden was targeting McNeil in round 2 but unfortunately San Diego got him and so we grabbed Trueblood instead.

                I think McNeil would have been a much better RT than LT for us and we would have won a lot more games with him last season.
                A Davin/McNeil draft would have put a TON of potential on that RIGHT side of the line. But what can you do?
                Last edited by dbtb135; 06-08-2007, 04:31 PM. Reason: Awful mistake

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dbtb135 View Post
                  We can agree to disagree there. It might seem like I'm not giving Colmer his due, but I just didn't see the reward outweighing the risk there. He was a guy who probably didn't have the size or agility to compete with the ends he would have been facing in the South. Adequate RT or guard at most. To take a risk like that, he should be an impact player in the making. But he wasn't a guy you'd already pencil into the lineup Eg: Davin, Sears, McNeil, etc.


                  A Davin/McNeil draft would have put a TON of potential on that left side of the line. But what can you do?
                  Joseph, Sears and McNeil were 1st/2nd rounders and Colmer was not so to expect the same kind of play is kind of ridiculous.

                  Davin Joseph doesn't play left side.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by simms2clayton View Post
                    we would have won a lot more games with him last season.
                    An upgrade at RT would not have won us a single extra game last year.

                    sig by BoneKrusher

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 24cadillac24 View Post
                      Joseph, Sears and McNeil were 1st/2nd rounders and Colmer was not so to expect the same kind of play is kind of ridiculous.
                      Thats entirely my point! He wasn't on par with those types of talent, AND had a huge medical reg flag to boot. Not a guy you should be taking chances on in the 1st day. If he falls to the 5th round, you take the chance. Like a Larry Brackins or Greg Peterson, a project that doesn't hurt too much if it fails. But us of all teams shouldn't be taking this risk day 1. He should be a top 2 round type of talent in order to take him in the 3rd, all things considered. As it is, he simply wasn't on par with the 2nd rounders of the same consideration. The Justin Blalocks, Arron Sears, Khalif Barnes, Michael Roos outclass this guy by a country mile BEFORE potentially not even playing comes into the picture.

                      Originally posted by 24cadillac24 View Post
                      Davin Joseph doesn't play left side.
                      Right side I meant, going by his assumption that we put McNeil at RT.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dbtb135 View Post
                        Thats entirely my point! He wasn't on par with those types of talent, AND had a huge medical reg flag to boot. Not a guy you should be taking chances on in the 1st day. If he falls to the 5th round, you take the chance. Like a Larry Brackins or Greg Peterson, a project that doesn't hurt too much if it fails. But us of all teams shouldn't be taking this risk day 1. He should be a top 2 round type of talent in order to take him in the 3rd, all things considered. As it is, he simply wasn't on par with the 2nd rounders of the same consideration. The Justin Blalocks, Arron Sears, Khalif Barnes, Michael Roos outclass this guy by a country mile BEFORE potentially not even playing comes into the picture.

                        Obviously he wasn't on par with them dude. He wasn't drafted in the same round as the guys you listed. He was a 3rd rounder so comparing him to Sears, McNeil, Joseph etc is pointless.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 24cadillac24 View Post
                          Obviously he wasn't on par with them dude. He wasn't drafted in the same round as the guys you listed. He was a 3rd rounder so comparing him to Sears, McNeil, Joseph etc is pointless.
                          I'm not saying this to be insulting or condescending in any way, but reading back through my posts do you understand my point at all? You're seemingly missing it entirely.

                          MORE is expected of more talented guys. If Colmer was taken in the 3rd by us, ALL THINGS CONDISERED, he should be a 2nd round type talent. Maybe even better, considering how his situation was more career threatening than 99% of most players that come out of college with a torn ACL or broken arm. This syndrome is not curable. He cannot rehab it. But when you look at the 2nd rounders like the Roos, Barnes, Sears, Blalock, and the like. Solid 2nd rounders. They outclass Colmer in terms of talent, easily. So that would make him a borderline 2nd/3rd round talent who we took in the 3rd. His SITUATION should have dropped him more than that.

                          If he had the type of Joesph/Blalock potential, he'd should STILL be drafted a round lower than them because they're able bodied guys, and he might not be. Right? Ie: McNeil.

                          This is going off my point of LIMITED potential. If he's not on par with guys like that to begin with, why is his potential worth the pick? How do you rationalize that pick in the 1st day if you're not expecting a big time payoff? As I said, huge risk/minimal reward.

                          Do you get what I'm saying?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dbtb135 View Post
                            I'm not saying this to be insulting or condescending in any way, but reading back through my posts do you understand my point at all? You're seemingly missing it entirely.

                            MORE is expected of more talented guys. If Colmer was taken in the 3rd by us, ALL THINGS CONDISERED, he should be a 2nd round type talent. Maybe even better, considering how his situation was more career threatening than 99% of most players that come out of college with a torn ACL or broken arm. This syndrome is not curable. He cannot rehab it. But when you look at the 2nd rounders like the Roos, Barnes, Sears, Blalock, and the like. Solid 2nd rounders. They outclass Colmer in terms of talent, easily. So that would make him a borderline 2nd/3rd round talent who we took in the 3rd. His SITUATION should have dropped him more than that.

                            If he had the type of Joesph/Blalock potential, he'd should STILL be drafted a round lower than them because they're able bodied guys, and he might not be. Right? Ie: McNeil.

                            This is going off my point of LIMITED potential. If he's not on par with guys like that to begin with, why is his potential worth the pick? How do you rationalize that pick in the 1st day if you're not expecting a big time payoff? As I said, huge risk/minimal reward.

                            Do you get what I'm saying?
                            I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree because I really don't believe any of what you are saying. Colmer was picked in the third round because he was 2nd round talent. Parsonage-Turners disease was not expected to have an impact on his football career but it can have a tendency to reform, in Colmer's case it did which is unfortunate but true.

                            His condition does not compare to that of a QB who has torn a rotator cuff, or a RB who has shot knees. It is a neurological condition affecting his nervous system and there was a decent chance he could have gone his whole career without an onset. He was chosen in the region he was supposed to be chosen and unfortunately it didn't pay off.

                            I also don't quite understand why you think his potential was 'limited'. I know that everyones potential is limited, but condition aside, he had the potential to be a more than satisfactory starter in the NFL which demonstrates more than 'limited' potential.

                            All in all, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 24cadillac24 View Post
                              I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree because I really don't believe any of what you are saying. Colmer was picked in the third round because he was 2nd round talent. Parsonage-Turners disease was not expected to have an impact on his football career but it can have a tendency to reform, in Colmer's case it did which is unfortunate but true.

                              His condition does not compare to that of a QB who has torn a rotator cuff, or a RB who has shot knees. It is a neurological condition affecting his nervous system and there was a decent chance he could have gone his whole career without an onset. He was chosen in the region he was supposed to be chosen and unfortunately it didn't pay off.

                              I also don't quite understand why you think his potential was 'limited'. I know that everyones potential is limited, but condition aside, he had the potential to be a more than satisfactory starter in the NFL which demonstrates more than 'limited' potential.

                              All in all, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
                              Colmer already missed an entire season due to the effects of it. That alone makes him a huge risk. Again, one of the only comparisons to his situation that could be made is McNeil. Remember how much was made out of his situation at the combine and the weeks following? Could you imagine how much McNeil falls if he missed an entire season?

                              It's not like a regular injury like a blown knee, I agree completely. Guys have come back from a bad knee or knees in Frank Gore's case. Or rotator cuff(s) in Chad Pennington's case. But the risk of Colmer's case is entirely out of the hands of the coaching staff and the training staff. It could have lasting effects that cannot be rehabbed. This is what makes it such a bigger deal than a muscle or bone or ligament injury. It's incurable and already robbed Colmer of a season. That makes it a much bigger risk than your average injury.

                              Limited potential doesn't mean he couldn't be a starter for us. It doesn't mean he had the talent of a backup. It just means that I don't think he had the type of potential an elite, or even well above average, tackle/guard has. He could have maybe become a decent starter. Like a notch below what True is on pace for. But the fact that he's closer to a Dan Buenning than an Arron Sears says that he's not worth the risk day 1 to a team like us who had lacked youth and picks. Thats just my opinion though.

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