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  • Jim Wyatt said Finny already has his home up for sale...
    Credit to BoneKrusher for the Sig
    RIP themaninblack

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    • Keith Bulluck how I miss the. Dude would be in the HOF had he played in NYC his whole career. Dont any of you tell me diffrent!



      Originally posted by Jurrell Casey
      I love light skin and white women but my main chick is brown skin

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      • He may have mis-spoke on the undraftable part. He said something like if he was a GM he'd not take him until maybe the 3rd round and he said he was #50 on his top 100.

        I just watched some film of him, and he doesn't look sudden or quick much. I saw some nice plays made with power, and plays at DT. Kinda reminds me of Antwan Odom in his movement. His workout #'s aren't that good, but neither were Pierre-Pauls. Not sure what to think on him.

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        • Coples reminds me a lot of Kevin Carter, he isn't explosive off the snap but he is a very powerful man that can play DT as well.

          If Coples is there, I'd be disappointed if we passed on him unless someone with better value is there.

          Wimbley, Klug, Coples, Morgan would be a pretty good 3rd down rush if you ask me.

          Coples was horrible when he played against the spread, but when he played against more pro offensive teams where he could line up and go he played well in my opinion. He also got chipped and doubled alot from what I saw

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          • On a side note, the 3 DE's I'm more impressed with on film than others are Vinny Curry, Malik Jackson and Andre Branch.

            Curry really reminds me of Osi Umenyiora

            I might even prefer Curry at #20 over Ingram, Coples, and Upshaw. although, I would prefer to take Worthy, Cox, or Still and try to grab a DE in round 2

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            • One thing I always come back to for a high DE pick is ability to pass rush, especially in our division in todays NFL. Coples doesn't blow me away there. He doesn't turn the arc well, doesn't show much agility and change of direction. I never paid much attention to him because I thought he'd be long gone, but now I'm seeing some reasons why he may slip.

              Honestly at this point I thought more of Morgan's outside pass rush coming out of college. But honestly I thought JPP would bust, so ya never know. Also who knows what value the Titans put on run stopping ability and inside pass rush ability. Coples would shine there.

              Branch shows the classic pass rush ability to burst off the ball, bend his hips and turn the arc. I can't say I've seen anyone do it better than him. Curry doesn't seem to do that as well, but could make up for it with power and tenacity. He may be a bit like KVB in that regard.

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              • Well said Bobo, Curry is very unique specimen because he can run the arc some (watch the game against Ohio State, Marshall was down by 30 and he was still making plays) but he can also bull rush.

                I think Coples can play outside, but he's not a Julius Peppers, Mario Williams or JPP running the arc. He's a Kevin Carter type, which there isn't anything wrong with.

                Branch runs the best arc of anyone in the class in my opinion. I see him a lot better against teams that play pro style compared to the spread, he was pretty poor at the spread but it's not run in the NFL.

                Branch reminds me too much of Jevon Kearse to ignore.

                Mercilus kind of reminds me of Ray Edwards, nothing flashy but a solid player. I don't think I want that as a first rounder though.

                Not a big fan of perry at all, seems he doesnt do anything, doesnt do anything, then BAM coverage sack.

                From a pure pass rush standpoint Bruce Irvin is intriguing, but I really want a more complete player unless we could get a Bruce Irvin in round 3 and follow up with Malik Jackson in round 4.

                I don't know what to do with Ingram, he's got all the tools and I want to like him. But he doesn't run the arch, doesn't have a lot of moves and dropped in coverage a lot. In a pure 4-3 defense I think I'd take Irvin over Ingram.

                MY DT views
                Jared Crick if healthy is one of the best in the class, but I see him at a DT and not DE in our system. He gets insane push even with being constantly double teamed.

                Brockers is really raw, and I think I'd prefer a guy like Cox, Worthy and even Still to him.

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                • Originally posted by mightytitan9 View Post
                  Coples reminds me a lot of Kevin Carter, he isn't explosive off the snap but he is a very powerful man that can play DT as well.

                  If Coples is there, I'd be disappointed if we passed on him unless someone with better value is there.

                  Wimbley, Klug, Coples, Morgan would be a pretty good 3rd down rush if you ask me.

                  Coples was horrible when he played against the spread, but when he played against more pro offensive teams where he could line up and go he played well in my opinion. He also got chipped and doubled alot from what I saw
                  Yeah, it would. I hope he falls he is probably the only top DE that can play inside imo. I kind of want Janoris Jenkins also it looks like he will fall for being a pot head.

                  Edit: I just read that Adam Schefter expect Nick Perry to fall to the 2nd round. What DE is getting drafted 1st if Perry and Coples are sliding?
                  Last edited by Complex; 04-12-2012, 08:01 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by Complex View Post
                    Yeah, it would. I hope he falls he is probably the only top DE that can play inside imo. I kind of want Janoris Jenkins also it looks like he will fall for being a pot head.
                    yeah its pretty slim, I could see Jack Crawford & Chandler Jones doing it on passing downs though.

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                    • Dave Ball will be returning to the Titans.

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                      • Originally posted by mightytitan9 View Post
                        Dave Ball will be returning to the Titans.
                        Ecstatic about this! Ball has been my favorite role player the last few seasons, and we absolutely need him. Morgan, Wimbley, Ball, and 1st/2nd RD rookie will place our line at the NFL median (with the potential to be great with possibly three 1st RD talents), which is a big boost from being 2nd to last in sacks last year.
                        Still Team The Ke$ha!!!

                        [@TDWinstead]
                        Originally posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
                        Damn Ke$ha is sexy.

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                        • I agree, it's good to keep him. I suspect he will likely play alot on early downs with Wimbley playing more on passing downs.

                          With retaining Ball we've also got Egboh so DE isn't a huge glaring need, but it would still be nice to add the overall talent of the position.

                          I really like how we are entering the draft. I would be fine if we waited and grabbed a Malik Jackson in Round 3 or 4 to address DE honestly.

                          Im anxious to see what the Titans are planning, because we have no major glaring needs as of right now. I am still very concerned with our DB depth though

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                          • I really like the Ball signing, but I still want another DE. Ball has had injury issues and is on the wrong side of 30. A 1 year contract 2 years (or is it 3?)in a row tells you the Titans don't really think of him as long term.

                            I could see going for a guy like Irvin, Fugger or Burris late, or maybe another of those types (think Jacob Ford). Irvin is a freak, and IF the Titans think that pass rush ability is worth a 2nd, then I'd be happy to hear his name called. Wimbly was about the same size out of college, but I don't know how they compare vs the run (haven't seen much tape of Irvin vs the run).

                            I think the Titans learned something last year. They changed the scheme some and talked about stopping the run like it was the most important thing to do (that really struck me as odd in todays NFL and in our division). The DC kinda down talked smaller guys and they let Babin get away and moved JJ to DE (mistakes if you ask me). In the end we sucked rushing the passer.

                            With the Wimbly signing, it looks like they won't dismiss a smaller guy just because he's smaller. Morgan, Ball, Douzable, Sheppard, Eqboh, all guys who can handle the run well. Morgan is the only one I'd bet on giving consistent pressure, and someone can still play Devil's Advocate there and say he only had 2.5 sacks last year. It'd be smart to go after another pass rusher, maybe even a guy not so great vs the run. Ok, ramble over lol.

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                            • double post
                              Last edited by Bobo; 04-13-2012, 03:33 AM.

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                              • Yep...our DL is shaping-up nicely (albeit slowly). Even though we missed out on both Mario Williams and John Abraham, I like what our front-office has been doing. The coaches are really high on Wimbley; and I think he'll excel here in TN, where his primary job will be pass-rushing (as a DE) rather than pass-rushing and pass-coverage (as an OLB, like in Oakland). I also think the Douzable signing is a smart move because he's a young guy with good size/versatility, who is apparently very stout against the run. Honestly, because of his run-stuffing ability and his previous positional-experience with both the Rams and the Jags, I expect Douzable to play mostly DT for us.

                                Plus, Morgan looked better toward the end of last season, Casey/Klug/Clayton are all guys with lots of potential who should continue to develop, and Ball provides good depth. All that said, I still expect us to use draft-picks at both DE and DT in this upcoming draft. Because of the loss of Finnegan this offseason, I think our front-office will look to improve the front-seven to take some pressure off of those guys in the secondary. I could see our lineup looking something like...

                                DE:
                                1. Derrick Morgan
                                2. Kamerion Wimbley
                                3. ROOKIE (Couples/Whitney/Perry/Curry/etc.)
                                4. Dave Ball
                                5. Pannel Egboh

                                DT:
                                1. Jurrell Casey
                                2. ROOKIE (Brockers/Worthy/Still/Thompson/etc.)
                                3. Karl Klug
                                4. Leger Douzable
                                5. Zach Clayton

                                Add a mid-round interior OL, a mid-round CB, some depth at WR/LB/S, and our future is looking pretty bright, I think.

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