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  • Clausen vs Okung vs Bradford

    I'll start by saying this. I don't think, at this point, that the Rams will pass on Clausen with the first pick. In most years, I'd say its a no brainer. But it's been a while since a player like Suh has come through the college ranks so anything can happen and a lot can change between now and April.

    So let's assume that at pick #4, Clausen, Bradford and Okung are all available. Who should we pick and why? I've wrestled with this a lot and obviously there are arguments for both players.

    I'll admit that I have been against the qb pick for quite sometime now. But deep down I know that my logic is not necessarily reasonable. I've loved Colt Brennan since day 1 and I want badly for him to get his shot. I want more than anything for the Skins to build the offensive line and give Brennan a legitimate chance before going in another direction but I know that opportunities to draft franchise qbs dont come around often.

    I think a lot will depend on the cap and what happens with Campbell. It looks more and more like 2010 will be an uncapped season which leaves the Redskins with a decision to make with Campbell as a RFA. Either drag things out for another season or try to trade him for some sort of value. No team is going to match an offer sheet for a 1st and a 3rd but the Skins can try to trade Campbell for lesser value. I think that a handful of teams could be interested.

    Basically, if Campbell is on the roster for 2010 then I think drafting a qb is the wrong decision. In that case, the Skins have to build the line and go with Campbell and Brennan and possibly a FA or late round pick. If Campbell is gone though, the Skins could face a tough decision with the 4th pick.

    Lets take a look at these three players.

    Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame


    Things I like: Mental toughness, no real serious injury concerns in his past, passionate about winning, impressive accuracy (not necessarily elite), quick feet in and around the pocket, reads coverage well, and good mechanics.

    Things I disklike: deicision making, arm strength questionable, doesnt throw a great deep ball, uncertain leadership qualities, takes a lot of sacks, and will force throws.

    Reminds me of: Aaron Rodgers coming out of Cal

    Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State


    Thinks I like: tough as hell, mauler in the run game, quick impressive footwork, excels in both pass and run protection, 47 consecutive starts, consistent, prototypical size and strength, leadership

    Thinks I dislike: doesnt always lock defenders, sometimes loses focus and gets too high

    Reminds me of: Joe Thomas

    Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma


    Thinks I like: production, competitive hard worker, leader who commands in the huddle, incredible accuracy, can avoid the rush and throw on the run, and student of the game

    Thinks I disklike: mechanics, average arm strength, durability and history of bad injuries, minimal experience taking snaps under center, missed 90% of junior year, tends to stare down targets

    Reminds me of: Chad Pennington

    Those are most of my thouhts for now. What do you guys think?
    Last edited by DiG; 01-05-2010, 10:55 AM.

  • #2
    I've gotta go Okung...I see where you're coming from with the QB stuff though...if there was an elite QB in this draft I would take them over Okung but I just don't trust Clausen and Bradford.

    Okung is an extremely safe pick in my mind...it's pretty much a slam dunk solid LT starter for several years.

    I don't think the skins can afford to pass that up and gamble on these QB's...because if they bust its gonna set the franchise back again. And the bust factor is pretty high with them IMO.

    My plan would be...take Okung/Davis...open the QB job in preseason with a competition between Colt and Jason/Vet QB. If Colt/JC still doesn't prove himself...take/trade up in next year's draft if needed for a QB.

    If I do have to choose between Clausen or Bradford though I'm taking Clausen.

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    • #3
      I am less and less of a fan of taking Okung, problem is that if it isn't him it's a QB and I don't want a QB although I guess I could somewhat tolerate Clausen. Okung is very strong at the point of attack but IMO he doesn't have the athleticism and sheer pass blocking talent to warrant a top 10 selection. IMO he is a Top 15-20 type talent. Just looking at the depth of OT there is no doubt that at the 35th pick we can get an OT who might not be as polished but has just as much if not more upside than Okung. As for the QB's I love that Pennington comparison to Bradford. That seems so spot on, skills wise as well as shoulder health, lol. Clausen I've liken him to Eli Manning and I actually do think he can make things happen without ideal protection unlike Bradford, but still I am against drafting a QB this year although inevitably that will probably happen. I'm still looking at Colt McCoy and Pike though in the second round.

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      • #4
        I actually do think Okung is an elite prospect. Hes a monster in run blocking but Im not sure where you dont think that hes as strong in pass blocking. He could use his hands and long arms better, which is easily coachable, but he slides really well, plays with balance, and shuts down the edge quickly. Well see what his measurables are but I think your underestimating his athleticism.

        With that said, Im all about Eric Berry and Gerald McCoy as well and am all for a trade down. If we could move down and draft a guy like Davis, Bulaga, Iupati, Vladimir, or Campbell as well as pick up another 2nd round pick that would be ideal. Spiller or Earl Thomas in a trade down would be sweet too and we could take oline with both 2nd rounders.

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        • #5
          I think if it was bruce Allen making the call then it would be Okung.
          However,Shanahan will be looking to bring in his guy at Q.B.

          There is a real chance that the new coach will bring in evergreen alex Gibbs(69 years old) as o-line coach.I dont believe a smaller,athletic line will fit with the way jason Campbell plays(i.e.pass protectors that can block for a long time).

          A question i would ask is,the 2010 QB class isnt great but is the 2011 class any better(locker apart),the same or worse than 2010?
          I dont expect Shanahan to finish up with a 4-12 record,even with a re-build.
          So if we are picking at 4 and Clausen and Bradford are there my head says take the more nfl ready Clausen and my heart says take Bradford(even though his arm strength and durability are red flags).

          However,there is another quarterback who could well rise after the combine/work-outs and if Clausen is gone and Bradford doesn't look good in private workouts he could be the guy.
          Arkansas' Ryan Mallett anyone?
          Very raw,sits for a year or two,but talented enough to be a franchise QB?

          Hope i haven't made anyone throw up!

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          • #6
            i would say that yes the next 1-2 years draft classes are potentially much better than this years, depending on who declares. i expect mallet to return to school this year and probably be a top 10-15 pick next year along with locker. blaine gabberts another guy that i really really like. and the 2012 qb draft class is going to knock your socks off! barkley and andrew luck...wow.

            from what ive heard about kyle shanahan (im assuming he will be our offensive coordinator), he is a guy that focuses on the entire offense as a hole and not just at qb. i love this quote of his: "I studied every potential Xs and Os play and issue possible. I spent my whole life working on that. My goal was that any question a player could have about anything on the field, I'd be able to answer it."

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            • #7
              Dirty Thirty,
              i forgot to mention that one QB that kyle Shanahan has worked with is sage Rosenfels(ex-skin) who is currently 3rd choice at the vikings.
              He would make sense as a free agent signing.

              I wonder if Mallett will return to school if he can break into the 2010 top ten picks.
              How good is Boise State's Q.B. Kellen Moore-they have had a good year.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by treyskins View Post
                Dirty Thirty,
                i forgot to mention that one QB that kyle Shanahan has worked with is sage Rosenfels(ex-skin) who is currently 3rd choice at the vikings.
                He would make sense as a free agent signing.
                Id be all for bringing in Sage but Im fairly certain that he is under contract with the Vikings for another season. He is carrying a pretty expensive contract though and in an uncapped year without cap penalties I could see him getting cut. Sage + Colt and a rebuilt line would make me perfectly happy next year.

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                • #9
                  Clausen is the pick... Bradford has had two surgeries on his shoulder and if we trade Campbell for a pick, we can get an O-Linemen with that pick. Don't get me wrong, Okung is a great player but Clausen has that it factor. I am a die hard ND fan so one may think im biased but i have watched his career unfold and all those games in which he led his team to a lead or a win in the last drive says enough. Those loses at ND were because our corners cant cover anyone and Tenuta is not fit for college-level defense. His methods are too advanced to grasp.

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                  • #10
                    im all okung in the first round and if what ghetto is saying is true then frick take another one of those tackles in the 2nd. has bruce allen not gone o-line rounds 1 and 2 before ?


                    RIP, Sean Taylor.

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                    • #11
                      If the writing on the wall is true and Shanny is the HC Okung has to be the pick Jimmy and Sammy are not Shanny QBs. Wait a year take Snead next year Snead is the prototype QB for the Shannahan system.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by broth223 View Post
                        If the writing on the wall is true and Shanny is the HC Okung has to be the pick Jimmy and Sammy are not Shanny QBs. Wait a year take Snead next year Snead is the prototype QB for the Shannahan system.
                        what qualties are a shanny qb ?


                        RIP, Sean Taylor.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by critesy View Post
                          what qualties are a shanny qb ?


                          haha one can hope right? for real broth what you got?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by critesy View Post
                            what qualties are a shanny qb ?
                            Big armed gun slinger who can scramble out of the pocket.

                            See
                            John Elway
                            Jake Plummer
                            Jay Cutler
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                            Originally posted by njx9
                            oh please. as if canadians even know what beer is.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by broth223 View Post
                              Big armed gun slinger who can scramble out of the pocket.

                              See
                              John Elway
                              Jake Plummer
                              Jay Cutler
                              Where is Jake Locker when you need him. I'm happy with taking Okung or top defensive player available at 4, while trading back in the late 2nd-early 3rd and take Tony Pike.

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