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  • Well it's not like they weren't the Heat just love blowing leads.

    That is correct comahan
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    • Cousins with 14/11 in 16 minutes. He loves coming back from suspension.

      Oldie but a goodie.

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      • Originally posted by LTgiants View Post
        They will lose Chandler anyway if they go the Knicks go Fa route with Melo. Cause Chandler is a RFA and no doubt is going to get a rise in salary.
        I know he's a RFA...that's why I said "potentially". But yeah, they're the Knicks. They can match any offer, and I dont think they'd have any reservations in paying to keep him, if they really wanted him. The option would be there.

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        • Originally posted by SeanTaylorRIP View Post
          Yet the window to land a superstar is so tiny and the Knicks barely escaped distaster this offseason by landing one of the several superstars available. IMO if you have a chance to create a dynamic trio of Stat, Felton, and Melo you do it. There are so many factors which could land Melo elsewhere. Maybe the Nuggets end up trading him to LA or Houston and he signs an extension, hell maybe he ends up signing an extension with Denver because he's somewhat comfortable there and wants to secure money. There is even a definite chance that with this new CBA the NBA implements a franchise tag which would keep these stars away from Free agency and take away their leverage, or maybe he doesn't even sign with the Knicks and ends up with the Clippers, Nets, Wizards, or whoever. The fact is while guys like Gallo, Chandler, and Fields are nice role players Melo is a superstar. You won't be able to extend them in the future anyways if you have Melo and Stat on your payroll, plus they play the same position as Melo. I just think while New York thinks that waiting till free agency is playing it safe, you are risking the chance that you are a perennial mediocre lower playoff seed type team. Amare is already 28 with a bad injury history, IMO if you have a chance to secure a superstar trio right now, you do it. You'd sure feel stupid if you end up not landing a star because you didn't want to give up Gallo, Chandler, or a mid first rounder. And I know some Knicks fans also have dreams of CP3 or D12, but again those are just dreams, like landing LeBron and Bosh.
          Exactly. With the labor negotiations so uncertain, you've got to take him while you can get him, even if you have to overpay to do it.

          I can almost guarantee there will be a hard cap after these new CBA negotiations as well, so the ability to retain role players is going to be greatly reduced if you have to pay one or more max contracts.

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          • Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
            Exactly. With the labor negotiations so uncertain, you've got to take him while you can get him, even if you have to overpay to do it.

            I can almost guarantee there will be a hard cap after these new CBA negotiations as well, so the ability to retain role players is going to be greatly reduced if you have to pay one or more max contracts.
            There would need to be some major tinkering done to the system if there was a hard cap. I'm definitely in favour of that, though. Hard cap should lead to more parity, when the soft cap has done absolutely nothing.

            NBA might even be worse than baseball when it comes to parity. And baseball hasn't even tried to address parity beyond revenue sharing.


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            • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
              Billups is no spring chicken....almost 35. You cant really "build" around him.

              It's a gamble...but if they wait it out and they grab him in FA, they have a much better nucleus. Felton, Fields, and potentially even Chandler would all be in the mix still. Is it really giving up Felton for? meh. Good young PGs arent easy to come by and the window would be open much longer.

              Sure it's not a certainty that Melo would be available or sign...but I think it's worth the gamble, if the Nuggets are firm on acquiring Felton.
              This is exactly my problem. If we get Billups and give up 2 of Gallo/Fields/Chandler we're basically banking on being able to get Deron or Paul but won't have the pieces to actually do it.

              We can't keep Chandler if we sign melo since we'd have to renounce his rights and the MLE to sign Melo, but if we're just giving up Chandler that's a lot better than giving him up alongside one of the other youngsters and putting all of our eggs in the Paul/Deron 2012 basket. However given how similar Chandler's and Melo's strong spots on the court are I almost want to see Chandler in this trade so that he and Melo don't get in each other's way. Gallo and Fields at least do a better job of spacing the court and are playing on much lower usage than Wilson.

              Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
              Yea but what is the alternate? I mean, are you gonna be better then Miami without the trade? So why knock the trade by putting it on that pedastal, nobody is probably better then Boston this year anyway so you'd at least set yourself up very nice for next year.


              I just think Billups/Melo/Amare is a great core to build around, and I guess I don't think any of those guys are worth holding onto.
              The alternative is to wait for the summer and try to sign melo then when we'd only have to renounce Wilson Chandler's rights and trade AR for a draft pick. That would leave us with Gallo, Fields, Felton and Mozgov as key pieces to put around Amar'e n Melo, if that's not enough support at least we'd have the piece to put together a package for Paul or Deron that wouldn't be even more of an insult than this entire Melo-drama.

              Mozzie's not star, but if he keeps doing what he's been doing since his return to the lineup he'd be a great fit next to amar'e. He can hit 15 foot jumpers, is rebounding well and blocks shots well. If he can keep getting more confident with his hands and learn how to play good one on one D he'd be an ideal fit next to Amar'e for when we went big. Felton won't be a perennial allstar but if he stops thinking he needs to be our second scorer he could be a really good tough floor general. Fields' rebounding instincts, smooth cutting, quick passes and ability to hit the open 3 make him a great complimentary glue guy type and Gallo could be that third option who usually just spaces the floor for Melo and Amar'e with the attention his ability to get hot from 3 attracts but is ready to attack the hole and put teams into foul trouble if they're overplaying Melo/Amar'e and leaving Gallo with room to drive.

              So it's not a great supporting cast but they'd be really good fits and with their youth, work ethic and good instincts would still have a lot of room to grow if they weren't traded to bring in a real proven third star.

              Sure we might lose Melo in this scenario but at least we'd have a shot at actually competing for a title and not competing for the right to be the last Eastern Conference team to lose to the Heat or Celtics.

              Originally posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) View Post
              There would need to be some major tinkering done to the system if there was a hard cap. I'm definitely in favour of that, though. Hard cap should lead to more parity, when the soft cap has done absolutely nothing.

              NBA might even be worse than baseball when it comes to parity. And baseball hasn't even tried to address parity beyond revenue sharing.
              Yeah, I think a hard cap would also mean the cap moving up. To many contenders would have to gut key parts of their squad to get under a hard cap at current levels. Which makes sense, if they set the hard cap around the levels of the LuxTax, the knicks would then have the cap space to re-sign their young players if they broke out or at least the cap space to actually make a run at one of the elite PGs who'll be hitting FA in 2012, whereas now we'd have to hope they're cool with giving up 7 mil to come join Melo and Amar'e, aka not happening via FA.

              As for the CBA I don't think they'd bring in a franchise tag this year, although I could see it down the road, and any salary roll backs would likely included a grandfather clause for players in FA this year. At least that's my gut feeling on the matter. So I very well may just be under-estimating how scary the CBA really could be to my Knickerbockers.

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              JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
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              Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
              Originally posted by JBCX
              Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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              • Originally posted by Rosebud View Post

                Yeah, I think a hard cap would also mean the cap moving up. To many contenders would have to gut key parts of their squad to get under a hard cap at current levels. Which makes sense, if they set the hard cap around the levels of the LuxTax, the knicks would then have the cap space to re-sign their young players if they broke out or at least the cap space to actually make a run at one of the elite PGs who'll be hitting FA in 2012, whereas now we'd have to hope they're cool with giving up 7 mil to come join Melo and Amar'e, aka not happening via FA.

                As for the CBA I don't think they'd bring in a franchise tag this year, although I could see it down the road, and any salary roll backs would likely included a grandfather clause for players in FA this year. At least that's my gut feeling on the matter. So I very well may just be under-estimating how scary the CBA really could be to my Knickerbockers.
                Yeah I would think a hard cap would need to be up there. I wouldn't mind seeing it at current levels though so the Heat would have to gut their team...


                Originally posted by Scott Wright
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                • NY fans love the idea of having Carmelo, until they find out that D'Antonio will have him as the starting Power Forward.

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                  • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
                    Dwight is just playing unreal right now. Everyone else on the team is terribly inconsistent, but Dwight has finally reached that level offensively, where he can carry this team on his back.

                    Oh, and we straight stole Earl Clark. I absolutely love this kid.
                    Earl Clark is actually doing stuff? I liked him in that draft, I was hoping the Pistons would take him, and then the dickhead Suns picked him one spot ahead of us. Daye is coming along nicely though.

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                    • Originally posted by WMD View Post
                      Earl Clark is actually doing stuff? I liked him in that draft, I was hoping the Pistons would take him, and then the dickhead Suns picked him one spot ahead of us. Daye is coming along nicely though.
                      He's been seeing extended time with Bass injured. He's shooting at a high percentage, rebounding very well, blocking shots. He's been impressive when he's been in there.

                      He's bound to start getting some more hype behind him...reminds me of the time we had Ariza. Clark is a fine potential player. I just hope we dont trade him.

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                      • being reported that the Nets have shopped Murphy and Outlaw around with no takers.
                        well no ****, it's obvious we're going to buy Murphy out if we don't deal him, and nobody wants Outlaw's abortion of a contract.
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                        BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

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                        • Going to the Raps-Heat game tonight. Can't wait for Bosh to get boo'd like a ************

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                          • Originally posted by scottyboy View Post
                            being reported that the Nets have shopped Murphy and Outlaw around with no takers.
                            well no ****, it's obvious we're going to buy Murphy out if we don't deal him, and nobody wants Outlaw's abortion of a contract.
                            give ya childress and warrick for that contract, murphy's not outlaws

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                            • Originally posted by fenikz View Post
                              give ya childress and warrick for that contract, murphy's not outlaws
                              no way!
                              although, i like both players, I don't like their contracts.
                              also also, I wanna buy the Hornets. who's gonna donate me a couple hundred mil?
                              We ALL bleed scarlet
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                              UNITED: I actually attend the college I root for
                              Originally posted by PalmerToCJ
                              BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

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                              • Did u all notice that there was no bowing down last night. Well, A, there will be no bowing down until we beat the ******* Celtics. Cuz bowing down means u can't lose to anyone. And well.....DUH! B, we can't blow 24 point leads against teams that are at 33 percent competent and good think for us, only 5 of the other 14 teams in the east are that way (Celtics, Bulls, Hawks, Magic, and I'll throw the Knicks in there). But we do that against some1 thats competent, IT AIN'T GONNA END WELL. NO BOW DOWN!

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