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  • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
    My point in using that analogy is, we can't just assume players will take discounts and leave their teams just bc they want to play for NY. That blind arrogance is an assumption that players view the Knicks the same way Knick fans do.

    And that's completely false. Everyone thinks the Knicks are a joke. So when your organization is viewed as a joke, you need to overpay guys to get them to come here.

    It was mentioned before, Stoudemire didn't come here bc it was NY. He came here bc we offered him a max contract without insuring his knees.

    If we think we can use the "lure" of NY to assume everyone wants to jump ship to come here, we're wrong. That is not the case.

    In that sense, we're the Lions. We are not an appealing franchise to most players. Melo is a very unique exception to this, which is why we need to take advantage of this situation.
    I don't assume players will take discounts to go to NY. Players that come here generally it's for the $. Unless they are from the area and have made a good deal of $ already and just want to be back home. That one scenario is the only way I can see it and even that is rare.

    We have been viewed as a joke I don't think we are viewed as a joke anymore. The Knicks don't have to overpay guys just to get people to come. Players aren't saying to the Knicks hey I will sign with the some other team for 6 million unless you give me 20.

    They have over payed people sure so have every other team in this league has deals where they payed more then they should for a player

    I think we got insurance on his Knees not full coverage but I think they have some but maybe I am wrong.

    We are appealing franchise even in the 2000's we were linked to all stars like we are now with Melo. How many times has that happened with the Lions?

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    • How the hell did revenue get brought into this? BBD was clearly comparing the Knicks to the Lions in terms of wins and losses and not how much money they make. Do you root for your team to make money or to win games? What an irrelevant point.

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      • Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
        I'm telling you dude, he's going to Dallas to reunite with Dirk. Maybe not this year, but it'll happen eventually.
        I think that's more likely than going to New York

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        • About Nash, I could definitely see Nash finishing up his career in Toronto. Would be ******* epic,especially if the raps are on the upswing in a couple years

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          • nash is going to finish with dirk. i agree with yfs 10000000%
            We ALL bleed scarlet
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            UNITED: I actually attend the college I root for
            Originally posted by PalmerToCJ
            BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

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            • Originally posted by Chucky View Post
              About Nash, I could definitely see Nash finishing up his career in Toronto. Would be ******* epic,especially if the raps are on the upswing in a couple years
              lol. I just started a season in NBA 2K11 bringing Nash to Toronto. I thought it'd be a cool idea. My team around him is complete ****, though. I just wanted to have a beast veteran teach the youngins and Nash to Toronto just sounded to good to pass up. haha. The team I assembled is pretty damn hilarious on paper, at least depth wise, the starters are alright. Only Raps I kept were Derozan and Trey Johnson. haha. Should be fun to play, however, Nash does retire after the year, though. But whatever.

              Thanks BoneKrusher^

              http://youtube.com/watch?v=6_j52DziMy4 (the man)
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              KO KNOWS

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              • Originally posted by scottyboy View Post
                oooh, a nice strawman baseless shot at the Nets. how clever.
                although a team of Billups-Morrow-Melo-Humphries-Bropez isn't too shabby.
                but hey, keep obsessing over an average SF/PF in Gallo.
                I'm sorry Scotty, I meant 40 loss team which is what you are now, didn't mean to take a shot at the nets by saying that that lineup would only win 40 games next year.

                Originally posted by Chucky View Post
                and Melo doesn't sign then you guys are back where you are now....on a steady road to mediocrity. Althoug I guess the good thing is if the Knicks don't get Melo then fans will stop thinking they actually have a decent chance at getting superstars as they will have strucken out two summers in a row after throwing away the two seasons before that to even get a chance of trying.
                *shrug* I'll take that chance since we'd be on the road to slightly better mediocrity with Melo, Amar'e, Billups' corpse, Azubuike's broken knee and if the Nuggets are nice Ronny Turiaf anyway.

                And we didn't throw the first two seasons away, that's a blatant fallacy since we sucked donkey balls before Donnie made his first trade, the fact that we sucked for only two years is impressive given the roster we had, so quit this BS "throwing away 2 seasons" ****, it's BS and yet people like to regurgitate it as though Zairball and Craw were going to make us a quality playoff team.

                BK

                Originally posted by AcheTen
                JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
                Originally posted by abaddon41_80
                Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
                Originally posted by JBCX
                Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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                • **** 'melo, this trade should happen:

                  http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=4a2tmxl

                  nets keeps favors. pacers get a **** ton of cap space by getting all expirings and we take posey off their hands.

                  farmar-morrow-granger-favors-bropez.

                  we'll also throw in a pick or 2 if need be. GO NETS GO
                  We ALL bleed scarlet
                  New York Giants Super Bowl 46 Champs
                  UNITED: I actually attend the college I root for
                  Originally posted by PalmerToCJ
                  BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

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                  • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                    I don't get it bro. You don't like Melo's game, but you love Gallinari?

                    wtf.

                    I can't wait until we flush that turd down the toilet.



                    In terms of performance over the past 10 years? Absolutely.

                    Revenue is a totally different story. The Knicks were making more money than any team not named the Lakers the past 10 years. Now they've surpassed the Lakers. But how much money James Dolan pockets from the Knicks has no bearing on me as a Knicks fan. I could care less that he's cashing in on us.
                    It's because with Gallo we'd also get to keep Chandler, Fields, Mozgov and cap space for a max FA. If keeping Gallo meant getting rid of all of the pieces it would take to get Melo at Denver's price, which is going up every time we meet their request mind you, I wouldn't love him enough to be in favor of keeping him.

                    I love Gallo as a prospect, I like the way he plays when he's playing well and given how young he is and how hard he works I don't think it's insane to expect him to become more consistent, in which case he'd be an ideal 3rd star who's got the exact mentality to thrive in that role as he has no problem doing the little things to win but has the balls to step up in the clutch when needed. But I fully admit I'm biased about him because a friend of mine made me watch him play for Milan when I was bitching about the knicks being rumored to want him in the draft and I fell in love with the way he played, he played like a 6'8" Manu ginobili, he was just craftier with a better sense of what was happening than everyone else and this in a Professional Men's League.

                    That's why I'm patient with him, although as I explained before, my fanhood of Gallo isn't the reason I'm opposed to giving in to Denver. We need to re-establish ourselves as a team that'll make fair trades given what the situation calls for and I don't want teams to expect us to buckle when negotiations get rough and just bend over for teams like we've done for years in our attempts to shake our "joke" label, which created downward spiral wear we'd always end up coughing up whatever the other team wanted to try and get teams to take us seriously.

                    I just think it's a continuation of the Knicks history of cracking in tough negotiations and always giving up "whatever it takes!" to make a deal happen. I'm sick of it because everytime I head of a rumored deal I have to worry aobut my team because I know if it's big enough Dolan will cave in and we'll always overpay. And that's never going to lead to a great team in a league where more talented teams are out there who don't overpay on every deal and so are able to find sweet deals. I know we don't have the legacy of the Lakers and Celtics, that's why I want us to start developing it.

                    BK

                    Originally posted by AcheTen
                    JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
                    Originally posted by abaddon41_80
                    Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
                    Originally posted by JBCX
                    Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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                    • Originally posted by LTgiants View Post
                      We are appealing franchise even in the 2000's we were linked to all stars like we are now with Melo. How many times has that happened with the Lions?
                      The only reason the Knicks ever get brought up is because of the media. It rarely has anything to do with actual knowledge of a situation or appeal of the franchise/team.

                      A team with top money and in the biggest market is always going to get brought up in those types of talks. It really has little do with players viewing the Knicks as an appealing franchise.

                      Obviously with Melo that isn't the case as he's voiced his opinion, but please stop pretending like even when the Knicks suck they were still an appealing team to players. It's almost always media hype, which isn't a terrible thing, but at least admit it for what it is.

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                      • Originally posted by iowatreat54 View Post
                        The only reason the Knicks ever get brought up is because of the media. It rarely has anything to do with actual knowledge of a situation or appeal of the franchise/team.

                        A team with top money and in the biggest market is always going to get brought up in those types of talks. It really has little do with players viewing the Knicks as an appealing franchise.

                        Obviously with Melo that isn't the case as he's voiced his opinion, but please stop pretending like even when the Knicks suck they were still an appealing team to players. It's almost always media hype, which isn't a terrible thing, but at least admit it for what it is.
                        I am not saying media isn't responsible for some of it but its not like Melo has been the only player who has ever wanted to play for the Knicks. He isn't the 1st and wont be the last player to want to play for Knicks.

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                        • Originally posted by LTgiants View Post
                          I am not saying media isn't responsible for some of it but its not like Melo has been the only player who has ever wanted to play for the Knicks. He isn't the 1st and wont be the last player to want to play for Knicks.
                          I agree, and I'm not saying no player wants to play for the Knicks. I'm just saying more often than not in the past 10 years, give or take, it has been because of media hype and not player opinions that free agents/trade rumors are linked to NY.

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                          • In a related note, go **** yourself LeBron.

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                            • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                              In a related note, go **** yourself LeBron.
                              I approve this message. But what should he do?

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                              • The Knicks should stop trying to trade for Melo, he is so overrated. They should wait for Dwight Howard and Deron Williams instead of trading their young talent for Melo.

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