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  • Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
    Nice post. When comparing a player you also need to look at intangibles. Rose doesn't come close to AI, Starbury or Stevie Franchise in that regard.

    Assuming Derrick stays healthy he will be an elite player for a long time because of his work ethic. He does compare physically to Francis and Marbury, but mentally they are completely different players.

    Derrick is already talking about trying to develop a post game this offseason to add to his offensive repertoire. ******* unreal.
    Not to compare them in abilities or to say who is better, but if true, does anyone realize how long it took for Jordan or even Kobe to decide they needed to work on their post game?

    Hell, Lebron still hasn't done it, despite everyone and their mother knowing that he would dominate if he barely worked on it...

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    • Question for the board;

      I'm not a huge stats guy, but I had an idea about changing FG% a little bit. I know TS% measures free throws and gives more credit to 3 pointers, but I also like to use true shooting percentage because it gives some semblance to scoring numbers.

      When a player draws a foul and goes to the line it's certain that those two shots won't count toward his shooting percentage. But why? Why couldn't you add a made field goal to two made free throws (or 3 if the player is fouled behind the line)? After all if you make them it's just as if you hit a shot.

      The reason I ask is because Derrick had a game vs Atlanta where he scored 42 points, but shot 11-27. The field goal percentage looks bad until you see that he got to he line 16 times and made 15 of them. While he didn't shoot well he found others ways to score, but it wasn't reflected in the box score. Add my change to his stat line and he goes to 18 of 34.

      In short what I'd like to see is this: Derrick is shooting 4 of 9. He gets to the line and makes both free throws. His shooting is now 5 of 10.

      Even though stats aren't the end all be all in basketball I do believe they have a place and I'd like to see this reflected in shooting percentage.

      I know this is pretty petty and there are countless other changes that could be made to stats, but this would be fairly simple to do. I also understand that these are uncontested shots so they're easier to make.

      Or you could add a field goal attempt no matter what happens if it's a 2+ shot foul. The player gets a field goal made if he makes all of them.

      It's just a thought and it probably could use some tweaking, but I think we should reward and punish players at the free throw line a little bit more in their stats.

      Also, what stat/rule changes would you like to see?


      Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

      Originally posted by JBCX
      Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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      • Originally posted by iowatreat54 View Post
        Not to compare them in abilities or to say who is better, but if true, does anyone realize how long it took for Jordan or even Kobe to decide they needed to work on their post game?

        Hell, Lebron still hasn't done it, despite everyone and their mother knowing that he would dominate if he barely worked on it...
        "He has stated he wants to develop a post game in the offseason."

        http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6...g-the-mvp-race

        Not the most reliable of sites, but I couldn't find a link with Derrick saying it. I do remember reading about it a couple months ago though.

        You said a while back that the NBA should **** their pants when he stops being Mr. Nice Guy. That time is coming pretty soon. He may not be the brightest crayon in the box, but he seems to have that 'it' factor. He strikes me as a guy who will never be satisfied with his accomplishments. I know talk is cheap and he's saying all the right things, but if there's one thing I've learned through watching him for 3 years it's to never doubt what he says or guarantees.


        Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

        Originally posted by JBCX
        Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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        • Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
          Question for the board;

          I'm not a huge stats guy, but I had an idea about changing FG% a little bit. I know TS% measures free throws and gives more credit to 3 pointers, but I also like to use true shooting percentage because it gives some semblance to scoring numbers.

          When a player draws a foul and goes to the line it's certain that those two shots won't count toward his shooting percentage. But why? Why couldn't you add a made field goal to two made free throws (or 3 if the player is fouled behind the line)? After all if you make them it's just as if you hit a shot.

          The reason I ask is because Derrick had a game vs Atlanta where he scored 42 points, but shot 11-27. The field goal percentage looks bad until you see that he got to he line 16 times and made 15 of them. While he didn't shoot well he found others ways to score, but it wasn't reflected in the box score. Add my change to his stat line and he goes to 18 of 34.

          In short what I'd like to see is this: Derrick is shooting 4 of 9. He gets to the line and makes both free throws. His shooting is now 5 of 10.

          Even though stats aren't the end all be all in basketball I do believe they have a place and I'd like to see this reflected in shooting percentage.

          I know this is pretty petty and there are countless other changes that could be made to stats, but this would be fairly simple to do. I also understand that these are uncontested shots so they're easier to make.

          Or you could add a field goal attempt no matter what happens if it's a 2+ shot foul. The player gets a field goal made if he makes all of them.

          It's just a thought and it probably could use some tweaking, but I think we should reward and punish players at the free throw line a little bit more in their stats.

          Also, what stat/rule changes would you like to see?
          That's like asking baseball to quit using batting average entirely and only use OBP. I am all for advanced statistics--in basketball, baseball, football, wherever--but there's still value in the more dated stats. Sure, FG% as it is fails to tell the whole story, but that doesn't mean you get rid of it, you just need to take it into consideration with other stats.

          Oldie but a goodie.

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          • Originally posted by nobodyinparticular View Post
            That's like asking baseball to quit using batting average entirely and only use OBP. I am all for advanced statistics--in basketball, baseball, football, wherever--but there's still value in the more dated stats. Sure, FG% as it is fails to tell the whole story, but that doesn't mean you get rid of it, you just need to take it into consideration with other stats.
            That's a good point. TS% is out there, but it's hard to find. It was a shot in the dark to be honest, but I think when looking at a players' box score you need to look at the entire picture and that's where this came into play.

            TS% and adjusted +/- aren't readily available unless you search for them.


            Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

            Originally posted by JBCX
            Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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            • Do you really need your point guard to be learning how to post up though?

              He could be putting his efforts into refining his other abilities instead.

              It's not like he's much bigger than the average point guard.

              It's like a center all of a sudden dedicating himself to shooting threes. If he's not an already natural shooter, there's really no point.
              Last edited by soybean; 04-01-2011, 12:27 AM.

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              • Originally posted by soybean View Post
                Do you really need your point guard to be learning how to post up though?

                He could be putting his efforts into refining his other abilities instead.

                It's not like he's much bigger than the average point guard.

                It's like a center all of a sudden dedicating himself to shooting threes. If he's not an already natural shooter, there's really no point.
                No you don't need him too, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't work on it. He has a size and strength advantage on the majority of players who guard him. It's a mismatch and he has the explosiveness to either jump over or go around his defender. Plus his ability to pass out of a double team would be a weapon. He's taken his defender to the post 4 or 5 times this year and each time he was able to get to the paint.

                It should also be noted that he has a floater in his arsenal that could be used as his jump hook.

                So to answer your question; is it really needed? No, but it definitely makes him more dangerous and versatile.


                Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

                Originally posted by JBCX
                Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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                • I hate Matt Barnes with a passion.

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                  • Originally posted by soybean View Post
                    Do you really need your point guard to be learning how to post up though?

                    He could be putting his efforts into refining his other abilities instead.

                    It's not like he's much bigger than the average point guard.

                    It's like a center all of a sudden dedicating himself to shooting threes. If he's not an already natural shooter, there's really no point.
                    Let's be honest here. It's not like the only thing Rose is gonna work on in the offseason is posting up...

                    He's stated that last 2 years he wanted to first improve his jumper, then his 3 point shot. He's done both, as well as improve the rest of his game. It's not like he's wasting all his time on one thing...

                    I also expect his defense to take a big leap next year after an off season with Thibs.

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                    • Originally posted by jayceheathman View Post
                      I hate Matt Barnes with a passion.
                      I hated him when he was in Orlando, but he has definitely grown on me in LA. I love anyone who plays their ass off, and does it with some attitude.



                      Originally posted by 49erNation85
                      I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.

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                      • Heat start the 3rd on a 25-1 run against the wolves.

                        That is correct comahan
                        I ******* LOVE YOU DG
                        <3 dg

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                        • Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
                          Heat start the 3rd on a 25-1 run against the wolves.
                          Good, thank God. Hopefully LeBron went into halftime like dudes: I have more talent than this God awful team in my headband. WTF are we doing down 1?

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                          • Sweetness, I think PPP might be a stat that kind of accurately gets across what you're trying to get at with the shooting percentages above. I mean in that case it definitely gives weight to three's, but FT's can be taken into account and it'll give you a feel for how effectively someone scores the basketball on a given possession.

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                            • Loving the attitude that the Lake show is playing with right now, pretty scary team.



                              Originally posted by 49erNation85
                              I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.

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                              • no posts for the last 4 days????

                                is everyone ok? or is it just because its baseball season now? lol



                                Originally posted by 49erNation85
                                I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.

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