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  • As an Ohio native that's been following LeBron James' career since high school, I feel that this needs to be said and no one else is going to mention it. No, the Cavs did not surround LeBron with a star-studded supporting cast during his time here. But there is no debating that LeBron had a huge hand in building those Cleveland teams. Almost all personnel decisions were presented to LeBron before the front office made their move. During his time here, Cavs management was so paralyzed at the thought of losing LeBron that they never denied him anything. They were handcuffed by their own superstar.

    In the summer of '05, after the Cavs lost out on bids to acquire Michael Redd and Ray Allen, LeBron pushed management to bring in Larry Hughes. So, to appease him, Danny Ferry signed an overrated and oft-injured swingman that fit poorly to a hefty contract. In that same summer, LeBron lobbied for free agents Donyell Marshall and Damon Jones, saying he needed shooters in order to compete. So management went out and got them. But paid a decent price in the process. Even the Ben Wallace and Mo Williams trades have his fingerprints on them. The signing of Shaq? LeBron approved.

    All throughout his tenure in Cleveland, the Cavs organization bent over backwards to help him. Even mortgaged their cap space on overrated pieces for no other reason than LeBron stated he wanted to play with them. For everyone that wants to criticize his supporting cast, they need to realize that LeBron was an architect of these teams too. He basically handpicked his squad. And, as his well-publicized free agency loomed on the horizon, his noncommittal attitude toward the Cavs didn't help matters. No one wanted to risk coming to Cleveland only to have LeBron pack up and leave town.

    He was the most powerful superstar in NBA history when he was with the Cavs. In fact, in hindsight, he was far too powerful.

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    • Originally posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH View Post
      And how did the Mavs win? Come back against the Lakers almost every game, come back against the Thunder almost every game. You think the Mavs will stall the most potent offensive player in the game? Lebron doesn't crumble in these moments.
      Yeah, Lebron had a couple clutch games in these playoffs. Those like two games completely erase a career reputation of being unclutch haha. You are so full of ****.

      Originally posted by Complex View Post
      Yeah but Jordan was the better player like LeBron is better than Wade.
      You don't get it. Lebron joined Wade's team.

      Originally posted by Complex View Post
      yeah your right those Miami Heat are so lucky right now if the Mavs don't play perfect it was really them losing rather than Miami winning.
      You really really don't get it lol.

      Bonekrusher.

      Originally posted by JordanTaber
      Football...it's rocket surgery now, folks.

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      • Originally posted by Complex View Post
        Watch the Magic series from 2 years ago? the Boston series in Cleveland when he scored whay 28 straight points? yeah big chocker.
        Yeah, he was clutch like three times in his life. I will still side with the trend, you can have your exceptions.

        Originally posted by Complex View Post
        But no one says he is Dwayne side kick besides butt hurt fans aka LeBron did sign with my team and LeBron haters.
        I am a Timberwolves fan. I used to like Lebron, up until the last year or two. Lebron earned his way to be hated. Anyone who isn't blinded by basketball ignorance knows Lebron is Wade's sidekick.

        Originally posted by 7-11 View Post
        Yeah but who did Iverson beat? Not a lot of great teams in the eastern conference in 01. And i'd take the 01 76ers supporting cast over the rabble that Lebron had next to him any day of the week.
        And that explains everything you posted in this thread. You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Mo Williams + Big Z + Varejo + Jamison >> Eric Snow and company.

        Bonekrusher.

        Originally posted by JordanTaber
        Football...it's rocket surgery now, folks.

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        • There is so much stupidity and ignorance in this thread (coughcomplexcough711cough) it makes me sick. Anyone who is even remotely suggesting Lebron is a better player than MJ needs gouge their eyes out as they are not worthy of watching the great sport of basketball. Yes, that includes you Scottie Pippen.

          Bonekrusher.

          Originally posted by JordanTaber
          Football...it's rocket surgery now, folks.

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          • Originally posted by Cudders View Post
            As an Ohio native that's been following LeBron James' career since high school, I feel that this needs to be said and no one else is going to mention it. No, the Cavs did not surround LeBron with a star-studded supporting cast during his time here. But there is no debating that LeBron had a huge hand in building those Cleveland teams. Almost all personnel decisions were presented to LeBron before the front office made their move. During his time here, Cavs management was so paralyzed at the thought of losing LeBron that they never denied him anything. They were handcuffed by their own superstar.

            In the summer of '05, after the Cavs lost out on bids to acquire Michael Redd and Ray Allen, LeBron pushed management to bring in Larry Hughes. So, to appease him, Danny Ferry signed an overrated and oft-injured swingman that fit poorly to a hefty contract. In that same summer, LeBron lobbied for free agents Donyell Marshall and Damon Jones, saying he needed shooters in order to compete. So management went out and got them. But paid a decent price in the process. Even the Ben Wallace and Mo Williams trades have his fingerprints on them. The signing of Shaq? LeBron approved.

            All throughout his tenure in Cleveland, the Cavs organization bent over backwards to help him. Even mortgaged their cap space on overrated pieces for no other reason than LeBron stated he wanted to play with them. For everyone that wants to criticize his supporting cast, they need to realize that LeBron was an architect of these teams too. He basically handpicked his squad. And, as his well-publicized free agency loomed on the horizon, his noncommittal attitude toward the Cavs didn't help matters. No one wanted to risk coming to Cleveland only to have LeBron pack up and leave town.

            He was the most powerful superstar in NBA history when he was with the Cavs. In fact, in hindsight, he was far too powerful.
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            • The stupidity in this thread is too much at times. Hate Lebron all you want, hell I hate him too, but he is a better player than Dwayne Wade and it's not debatable. The Heat's success hinges more on Lebron than Wade, and it's 100% completely irrelevant who went to which team. If Wade played in the shithole of a city and Lebron played in the city with hot chicks and no income tax he goes to Lebron's team and everyone has a different opinion.

              And also Lebron is not on Jordan's level. Get that **** out of here.

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              • is LeBron by far the best player in the NBA - yes

                is LeBron anywhere near Jordan's level - no

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                • Well said by Cudders above ^.

                  Number one, let's be real here and admit that there are 2 sides to the Lebron fiasco...... yep he helped get those supporting pieces in Cleveland, which helped their team get the #1 NBA best record a couple of times but also helped lead them to no titles.
                  And number two, how many of you all, quite honestly, would choose to take a job up in cleveland when you could get the same job in south beach?

                  the advantages of going to miami are:
                  A) no state income taxes
                  B) hotter chicks
                  C) pairing up with another great player
                  D) hot women
                  E) way cooler city
                  F) gorgeous women
                  G) better weather

                  Lebron is still in his mid 20's.... nobody in their right mind can blame him for that move, despite where his growing-up roots were.
                  With that amount of money, he can change those roots. He can move them all to Florida, as I would do if I had that amount of money.

                  Now, I still like the guy less for taking that easy street however.
                  Dirk could have fled like that and handpicked where he went.
                  Joe Mauer could have, another hometown hero just like LeBron. Now Joe will probably never win a title because of that loyalty though, so he's making a sacrifice there, which I can respect because of how much it meant to his state.

                  Lebron is Dan Marino.
                  Jordan is Brady + Manning + Bradshaw.

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                  • Originally posted by prock View Post
                    And that explains everything you posted in this thread. You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Mo Williams + Big Z + Varejo + Jamison >> Eric Snow and company.
                    Haha, nice try but in calling me out you basically shot yourself in the foot. Eric Snow and company? are you ******* kidding me? Don't try to act all high and mighty when you don't actually know what you're talking about. And very cute with your little cough cough things but i actually say a couple of posts ago that i don't think Lebron will ever be on MJ's level.

                    2000 was actually the first year i really started getting into basketball so i can actually make a decent assessment of that 76ers team.

                    Eric Snow and company...well why don't you go and have a look at that team and how it was built. To start the season they had Theo Ratliff who was a damn good defensive center in those days, when he went down they made a trade for Dikembe Mutumbo and i'm going to assume you know what he was about (defensive player of the year that year). Eric Snow as you mentioned was a very good defensive PG who could also guard a lot of shooting guards which made life much easier for AI. Tyrone Hill was the starting PF, strong defensive player, a double-double sort of guy and former all-star. George Lynch started at SF and was a very good defensive wing. Aaron Mckie was the 6th man of the year that year and provided a bit of scoring and playmaking for a team that didn't have a lot of options in that area. Combine all this with Larry Brown who is one of the greatest defensive coaches of all-time and this roster full of hard-nosed defensive role-players was basically perfectly constructed around an iso volume scorer in AI (i know this is doing AI a disservice but for arguments sake that's what i'm calling him).

                    And yes, i'm taking that supporting cast over Z, Drew Gooden (yuk), Larry Hughes (yuk-er), Donyell Marshall, Wally, Delonte, Boobie, Mo Williams and Flopajao.
                    Last edited by 7-11; 05-28-2011, 09:48 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by prock View Post
                      There is so much stupidity and ignorance in this thread (coughcomplexcough711cough) it makes me sick. Anyone who is even remotely suggesting Lebron is a better player than MJ needs gouge their eyes out as they are not worthy of watching the great sport of basketball. Yes, that includes you Scottie Pippen.
                      And for ***** sake Scottie never said Lebron was better, and even if he did i'd value his opinion over "prock's" any day of the week.

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                      • Settle down or stop talking about the subject guys. Let's have a fun discussion without getting personal.

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                        • Originally posted by prock View Post
                          Yeah, Lebron had a couple clutch games in these playoffs. Those like two games completely erase a career reputation of being unclutch haha. You are so full of ****.



                          You don't get it. Lebron joined Wade's team.



                          You really really don't get it lol.
                          I do get it obviously you don't get it.

                          so far a lot of the Heat success in these playoffs have been predicated on Boston and Chicago choking away leads in the fourth quarter and subsequently the Heat taking full advantage (18-3 run to close out the game?!?!?!) - soybean
                          LeBron joined Wades team and made it his.

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                          • Originally posted by prock View Post
                            Yeah, he was clutch like three times in his life. I will still side with the trend, you can have your exceptions.



                            I am a Timberwolves fan. I used to like Lebron, up until the last year or two. Lebron earned his way to be hated. Anyone who isn't blinded by basketball ignorance knows Lebron is Wade's sidekick.



                            And that explains everything you posted in this thread. You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Mo Williams + Big Z + Varejo + Jamison >> Eric Snow and company.

                            I gave a couple examples of him being clutch not all them. I did not know I was suppose to name them all. Yes, I am the one that is blinded.

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                            • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                              Settle down or stop talking about the subject guys. Let's have a fun discussion without getting personal.
                              we'll get on track when you answer my ******* trade offer
                              We ALL bleed scarlet
                              New York Giants Super Bowl 46 Champs
                              UNITED: I actually attend the college I root for
                              Originally posted by PalmerToCJ
                              BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

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                              • Originally posted by descendency View Post
                                His #2 was Scottie Pippen (a very good player - relative to the greats). Who was his #3?
                                Dennis Rodman? Lets not act like Jordan was playing scrubs. They made the the playoffs and could of beat the Knicks if wasn't for some bogus call.

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