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  • #61
    oh wow David Beckham

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      • #63
        Originally posted by wogitalia View Post
        2. David Beckham - Put it this way, his wife is the only spice girl still talked about and she is only talked about because she is his wife.
        You think David Beckham is the biggest soccer star of all time. ARE YOU ******* SERIOUS?! Really? Spice Girl wife who gets some fame because of him? Really? That's your reasoning "we know who his wife is, so he MUST be famous". For crying out loud Beckham's fame isn't even related to his soccer playing anymore, and hasn't been for years. He's a good-looking dude. Beckham in his absolute prime couldn't sniff the all-time greats. Hell he wasn't even the best player in the world in his prime, that honor belongs to Zidane.
        What exactly defines a SPORTS star? Not all the fringework. Beckham today is more a celebrity than he is a soccer player. Teams take him because of marketing considerations. He was a great player back in the day when he played for Manchester Utd. and Real Madrid, but I seriously doubt that even his fanclub would agree to the completely insane statement that beckham is the greatest soccer star.
        I'll excuse you for being North American.

        Originally posted by wogitalia View Post
        8. Diego Maradona/Pele - Can't really seperate the two best players ever, Maradona is probably more famous or more well known, but everyone knows who Pele is also.
        again, no. Pele was the greatest. After him, and I do mean AFTER, there's Cruijff and Maradona. Maradona's fame, again, may be greater than Pele's, but that's more due to his fall from grace.

        Originally posted by wogitalia View Post
        10. Anna Kournikova - By far the biggest female athlete in the world and probably actually tennis' 2nd or 3rd biggest star.
        Kournikova? Really? She wasn't even known to be great tennis player, she wasn't even really really good. She didn't win jacksquat during her career. Her fame comes from having a pretty face and a good body. She's poster material, that's it. She didn't even win a major tournament for crying out loud.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Addict View Post
          You think David Beckham is the biggest soccer star of all time. ARE YOU ******* SERIOUS?! Really? Spice Girl wife who gets some fame because of him? Really? That's your reasoning "we know who his wife is, so he MUST be famous". For crying out loud Beckham's fame isn't even related to his soccer playing anymore, and hasn't been for years. He's a good-looking dude. Beckham in his absolute prime couldn't sniff the all-time greats. Hell he wasn't even the best player in the world in his prime, that honor belongs to Zidane.
          What exactly defines a SPORTS star? Not all the fringework. Beckham today is more a celebrity than he is a soccer player. Teams take him because of marketing considerations. He was a great player back in the day when he played for Manchester Utd. and Real Madrid, but I seriously doubt that even his fanclub would agree to the completely insane statement that beckham is the greatest soccer star.
          I'll excuse you for being North American.



          again, no. Pele was the greatest. After him, and I do mean AFTER, there's Cruijff and Maradona. Maradona's fame, again, may be greater than Pele's, but that's more due to his fall from grace.



          Kournikova? Really? She wasn't even known to be great tennis player, she wasn't even really really good. She didn't win jacksquat during her career. Her fame comes from having a pretty face and a good body. She's poster material, that's it. She didn't even win a major tournament for crying out loud.
          I think he's strictly talking about most famous, and i think you can easily make a case for Beckham and Kournikova from that angle. And thankyou for mentioning Johan Cruijff, complete genius that everyone should know about.

          And he's Australian...

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          • #65
            that David Beckham even got mentioned in this thread in seriousness makes me a really really sad panda.

            even if its about the most famous guys, u cant name Beckham. he is maybe the most famous guy in the US. But guys like Ronaldo (the Brazilian), Ronaldinho, Kaka and those guys are more famous than Beckham. Seriously the Ronaldo love in 2000-2002 was ridiculous

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            • #66
              Originally posted by *** Ork Wang View Post
              that David Beckham even got mentioned in this thread in seriousness makes me a really really sad panda.

              even if its about the most famous guys, u cant name Beckham. he is maybe the most famous guy in the US. But guys like Ronaldo (the Brazilian), Ronaldinho, Kaka and those guys are more famous than Beckham. Seriously the Ronaldo love in 2000-2002 was ridiculous
              Just think of it this way, ask 10 people, from all different demographic backgrounds, from all around the world to name a footballer. I'd say most would name David Beckham. Not saying it's right, but it's probably the truth

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              • #67
                as an english person commenting on american sports from when i was younger
                football - for me it was walter payton
                basketball - jordan
                baseball - ruth

                and the rest
                football - pele
                tennis - federer
                golf - tiger woods

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                • #68
                  Maradona is a better footballer player then Pele, btw. It's not even as close as people are making it out to be. Pele may be more well known to you Americans but on pure talent, Maradona was better and as a result, the best player to have played the game.

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                  • #69
                    Joe Louis.

                    I started thinking "who was the first true worldwide sporting superstar" and Louis is who I thought of, at least in the Western world. (I don't know if Australia counts as part of that or not, maybe some of you Aussies can tell me if Louis made any impact there.) Boxing was much more of an international sport at that time, and in the very politicized 1930's, Louis' fights with Schmeling were very significant.

                    If you don't count Louis as truly international though, you have to say Ali is hands down the biggest sporting star ever. From his peak in the early 70's up until maybe the last ten years, Ali could go anywhere in the world and people would know him, from a bar in Atlanta to a village in Kenya to a market in the Philippines. No other person perhaps in history could say that.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by 7-11 View Post
                      I think he's strictly talking about most famous, and i think you can easily make a case for Beckham and Kournikova from that angle. And thankyou for mentioning Johan Cruijff, complete genius that everyone should know about.

                      And he's Australian...
                      Even in the realm of it's own stupidity that post was silly. David Beckham is a celebrity who just so happens to play football, not a football celebrity. Do you really think that people can name more than 1 team he played for? No. They all say "REAL MADRID OMGZZZ" and that's the end of it. There's a reason Beckham went to the MLS you know, because it's where dying football stars go to collect their final big paycheck (no offense to the MLS, but it's true).
                      Kournikova? She's a model, not a tennis player. She half-assed around a few centercourts way back when, but since then her main claim to fame has been the fact she looks hot in a bikini.
                      The thing Kournikova and Beckham have in common is that their fame is the result of good looks and a mediahype, not merits. With Beckham being the only one of the two to actually win something in his sport every now and again.

                      Originally posted by Jango
                      Maradona is a better footballer player then Pele, btw. It's not even as close as people are making it out to be. Pele may be more well known to you Americans but on pure talent, Maradona was better and as a result, the best player to have played the game.
                      That's how you see it. I'm European by the way, so don't act like I don't know my stuff. Pure talent important, but in the end it's what you do with it. Pele had the talent and the production, while Maradona may have been the most talented player ever, but his personal demons really took their toll on him. And be honest, does it really matter who is the greatest of all time?

                      The way I see it Maradona, Pele, Cruijff, Garrincha, Zidane and maye even Ronaldo in his prime were all insanely good and much like with American Football it's hard to pinpoint who was the GOAT. It depends on preference more than anything.
                      Even with that short list, I'm snubbing a few: Platini, Beckenbauer, Schmeichel (yeah, a goalie, but he practically won the Euro '92 with Denmark all by himself)... the list of fantastic players goes on and on. Saying one is definately better than the other is tough, but I suppose you could make a case for Maradona as much as I or anyone else could make a case for any of the other guys I just mentioned. It's how it goes I suppose.
                      Last edited by Addict; 05-18-2009, 08:14 AM. Reason: I screwed up the quote thing

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                      • #71
                        I would naturally assume most people associate Beckham with Man United. After all, that is where he became one of the best right sided players of all time and a phenomenal set piece player.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Caddy View Post
                          I would naturally assume most people associate Beckham with Man United. After all, that is where he became one of the best right sided players of all time and a phenomenal set piece player.
                          yeah most who actually know beckham's play think Man U, but the two places where he's most respected (that's the US and the Far East) remember him for the hair antics with Real and the huge transfer deals to Madrid and LA. He was a phenomenal player with Man Utd, but he didn't transform from player to celeb until he came to spain and eventually the US. I'll always remember him in a Manchester United uni, when he was still amazing to watch.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Addict View Post
                            yeah most who actually know beckham's play think Man U, but the two places where he's most respected (that's the US and the Far East) remember him for the hair antics with Real and the huge transfer deals to Madrid and LA. He was a phenomenal player with Man Utd, but he didn't transform from player to celeb until he came to spain and eventually the US. I'll always remember him in a Manchester United uni, when he was still amazing to watch.
                            Me too. I remember him sinking an amazing free kick from like a million yards against Spurs one day. Was very upsetting.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by *** Ork Wang View Post
                              that David Beckham even got mentioned in this thread in seriousness makes me a really really sad panda.

                              even if its about the most famous guys, u cant name Beckham. he is maybe the most famous guy in the US. But guys like Ronaldo (the Brazilian), Ronaldinho, Kaka and those guys are more famous than Beckham. Seriously the Ronaldo love in 2000-2002 was ridiculous
                              Someone said that Maradonna is more well known, and I said that if you asked people in America about a footballer, they would probably answer Beckham. Unless they were older, then they would probably answer Beckham.

                              The only people in America who know who Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Kaka are actually watch football. It's sad...I tried to talk to my cousin about the sport, and he said he didn't understand it and had no interest in watching it. Just doesn't catch on here for the most part.

                              EDIT: Never said who my number one footballer was. Think I'll go different and pick Zidane.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Addict
                                Originally posted by Jango
                                Maradona is a better footballer player then Pele, btw. It's not even as close as people are making it out to be. Pele may be more well known to you Americans but on pure talent, Maradona was better and as a result, the best player to have played the game.
                                That's how you see it. I'm European by the way, so don't act like I don't know my stuff. Pure talent important, but in the end it's what you do with it. Pele had the talent and the production, while Maradona may have been the most talented player ever, but his personal demons really took their toll on him. And be honest, does it really matter who is the greatest of all time?
                                My post wasn't meant to be condescending and I apologise if it came out that way. Bottom line is, Maradona was more talented then Pele which in my opinion, makes him better then Pele. If you want to make the arguement that it comes down to production and use of talent, which btw, is a concept that I hate, the word 'production' in a sporting sense really annoys me, then Maradona is once again, better then Pele. He did everything Pele did for his country in a much less talented team, he won everything in his own countries league like Pele but most tellingly, unlike Pele who played out his career at Santos, he traveled to Europe and conquered the Spanish and Italian leagues. This shows an immense versatility and adaptability to his game that Pele never showcased, instead playing almost within himself at a place he felt comfortable at. I mean, Maradona went to Napoli and turned them into champions! This isn't meant to be knocking of Pele and he is, of course, one of the greatest players to have ever played the game but in terms of pure talent, his success in his career and the adulation he recieved from not only his peers but from the fans and press, there is no one better then Maradona.
                                EDIT: and yes, it does matter who's the best. Just ask Maradona.

                                Originally posted by Addict
                                The way I see it Maradona, Pele, Cruijff, Garrincha, Zidane and maye even Ronaldo in his prime were all insanely good and much like with American Football it's hard to pinpoint who was the GOAT. It depends on preference more than anything.
                                Even with that short list, I'm snubbing a few: Platini, Beckenbauer, Schmeichel (yeah, a goalie, but he practically won the Euro '92 with Denmark all by himself)... the list of fantastic players goes on and on. Saying one is definately better than the other is tough, but I suppose you could make a case for Maradona as much as I or anyone else could make a case for any of the other guys I just mentioned. It's how it goes I suppose.
                                True, the scale of football and how widespread the game is, having international tournaments since the 1920's means that there are going to be huge amounts of players over different eras who could claim to be the greatest player of all time, even your list ommitts some great names such as Puskas and Eusebio, which show just how many players there are that could be worthy of the tittle. However, the fact that Maradona claimed over half of the votes in a poll to decide the best footballer of the century that was voted for by players and fans, had his goal voted the best in the history of the world cup and has caused his country to be the first ever in the history of football to ask FIFA, the sports governing body, to retire his shirt, show, in my opinion, quite unequivocally, that Maradona was the greatest player to have ever played the game.

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