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  • Originally posted by bhaarat316 View Post
    Rob I'm going to start the 5x5 soon. I went from 144 to 150, in about 3 weeks. Now I have about 8 weeks left to get to 165 or around there.

    So which 5 x5 program do you think is better? The Rip Toe, or this one http://www.eclipsegym.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57.

    I can't find a link for Rip Toe want to direct me to it.

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    • btw Phillez, 10 lb dumbells are going to be utterly useless for you. Low weight high rep will be good for endurance but you should still have some weight in your hands........What I would do if I was you is some Max Rep lifts. I actually do a max rep day once a week and what I will do is take a 135 pound barbell for bench and rep it out as many times as I can, then take only one minute rest and max again, and do it 4 times. It kicks your ass. Then I do 4 sets of pull ups and dips, 4 sets of push-ups, and I am spent.
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      • Originally posted by Rob S View Post
        http://www.vicjg.com/aspx/madcowint.aspx ..........just use this bad boy.
        Whats better Rows or Power Cleans? and Whats Overhead like Military Press, and is that Incline bench?

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        • Originally posted by bhaarat316 View Post
          Whats better Rows or Power Cleans? and Whats Overhead like Military Press, and is that Incline bench?
          Power Cleans are money, man. I used to start my lower-body workout with squats, deadlifts and then power cleans. *Shudders*

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          • Originally posted by Sniper View Post
            Power Cleans are money, man. I used to start my lower-body workout with squats, deadlifts and then power cleans. *Shudders*
            I always heard its a bad idea to do deadlifts and squats on the same day.

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            • Originally posted by bhaarat316 View Post
              I always heard its a bad idea to do deadlifts and squats on the same day.
              well you will be on the 5x5 haha. The 1st week will be rough on your legs, you will get used to it tho.

              As for your question:

              Yeah overhead is military, exactly.

              If you are training for athletics of any sort rock the cleans, if not go with rows. No need to kill yourself on cleans if your not playing a sport.
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              • Originally posted by bhaarat316 View Post
                Rob I'm going to start the 5x5 soon. I went from 144 to 150, in about 3 weeks. Now I have about 8 weeks left to get to 165 or around there.

                So which 5 x5 program do you think is better? The Rip Toe, or this one http://www.eclipsegym.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57.

                I can't find a link for Rip Toe want to direct me to it.
                Originally posted by Rob S View Post
                http://www.vicjg.com/aspx/madcowint.aspx ..........just use this bad boy.
                I'm in the same boat as Philliez. No idea what any of this stuff means. I've worked out maybe twice in my lifetime (23 years) and have no clue what a Dynamic Row is.

                I've said it before I am like 6'2-6'3ish and currently weigh around 225ish. I can't get into working out it seems without having to read a novel. Should I get some weights?? Sounds like the eclipsegym guy doesn't like machines. Me not knowing anything gets frustrated. I don't know what to do for a workout.


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                • Originally posted by terribletowel39 View Post
                  I'm in the same boat as Philliez. No idea what any of this stuff means. I've worked out maybe twice in my lifetime (23 years) and have no clue what a Dynamic Row is.

                  I've said it before I am like 6'2-6'3ish and currently weigh around 225ish. I can't get into working out it seems without having to read a novel. Should I get some weights?? Sounds like the eclipsegym guy doesn't like machines. Me not knowing anything gets frustrated. I don't know what to do for a workout.
                  probably the easiest thing for you would be get a gym membership and find one that has personal trainers. Get a few sessions in, and then once you get comfortable start doing your own thing. Also you gotta look things up on the internet. Its like people who want to like football, but have no idea what 3-4 and 4-3 is, and the difference between gaps and stuff. You gotta look it up.

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                  • Im start this in 2 weeks. It just looks like 12 weeks of the same thing, isn't a good idea. The Starr one, goes to a 3x3 after 6-7 weeks. Well I'll do something different if that happens, along the lines of the 5x5.

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                    • Originally posted by terribletowel39 View Post
                      I'm in the same boat as Philliez. No idea what any of this stuff means. I've worked out maybe twice in my lifetime (23 years) and have no clue what a Dynamic Row is.

                      I've said it before I am like 6'2-6'3ish and currently weigh around 225ish. I can't get into working out it seems without having to read a novel. Should I get some weights?? Sounds like the eclipsegym guy doesn't like machines. Me not knowing anything gets frustrated. I don't know what to do for a workout.
                      alright, I will write a program out for you.

                      First off, your results will be crap without a good diet, unless you are only looking to get stronger. In which case, eat KFC.

                      Now, a lifting routine. I am going to recommend Starting Strength for you. It is by far the best way to develop core strength as a novice.

                      The first thing you have to do is go to the gym and find out what your 5 rep max is in each of the following lifts: Bench, Squat, Row, Deadlift, Military Press. Do this by gradually increasing weight until you have a fairly stressful time putting the weight up 5 times. These are the weights where you will start your training. Remember, everything has to be full range of motion. Most important is to squat AT LEAST parallel to the floor and ideally below.

                      Once you know your 5 RM you can start the routine. Just deduct around 5 pounds for the first workout of each of your maxes to protect from failure. It consists of two workouts, A and B. You alternate them so that you lift 3 times per week. So, if you do A first week one on a monday, you do B on Wed., and then A again on Friday. Then next monday do B, A Wed., etc. Critical to this program is that you increase the weight every workout. So if you do A monday, on friday you need to add weight to all the lifts. Same goes with B the second time you do that. Every workout you should 2.5 lb plates (5lb total) to every lift, the exception being deadlifts and squats which you should be able to add on 5's (10 total). You will stall eventually like this and need to slow down, but newb gains will carry you for a while.


                      WORKOUT A

                      Bench

                      Quick warmup with the bar.
                      Set 1: 5RMx5
                      Set 2: 5RMx5
                      Set 3: 5RMx5

                      Squat

                      Quick Warmup
                      Set 1: 5RMx5
                      Set 2: 5RMx5
                      Set 3: 5RMx5

                      Rows

                      Quick Warmup
                      Set 1: 5RMx5
                      Set 2: 5RMx5
                      Set 3: 5RMx5


                      WORKOUT B

                      Military Press

                      Quick Warmup
                      Set 1: 5RMx5
                      Set 2: 5RMx5
                      Set 3: 5RMx5

                      Squat

                      Quick Warmup
                      Set 1: 10% less than A x5
                      Set 2: 10% less than A x5
                      Set 3: 10% less than A x5

                      Deadlifts

                      Quick Warmup
                      Set 1: 5RMx5

                      Do this routine, eat a lot and you will get strong.

                      Form is critical btw, so here are some links!:

                      Deadlift: http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...BDeadlift.html

                      Squat: http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...s/BBSquat.html

                      Bench: http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...enchPress.html

                      Military: http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...taryPress.html **I will say with these that you CAN NOT use any leg drive at all.

                      Row: http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...ntOverRow.html

                      Also, check out the Sherdog.com forums' strength and power section and read the FAQ before asking more questions. A ton of answers are there: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f13/s-...e-read-436935/

                      This took me a while to do, so you better get in the gym and lift. And dont ***** out on squats, no leg press cant be substituted. :)
                      Last edited by Rob S; 07-01-2009, 12:38 PM.
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                      • Originally posted by bhaarat316 View Post
                        Im start this in 2 weeks. It just looks like 12 weeks of the same thing, isn't a good idea. The Starr one, goes to a 3x3 after 6-7 weeks. Well I'll do something different if that happens, along the lines of the 5x5.
                        What I did was modify fridays (my 3rd training day). What I would do is go for the normal 5x5 for my first three sets on all lifts then for my fourth do a heavy triple, then finish with my 8RM. It worked really nicely for me.
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                        • I cannot get my dead lift form down. I'm just so damn lanky that it's hard for me not to arch my back... Any tips?

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                          • Originally posted by TitleTown088 View Post
                            I cannot get my dead lift form down. I'm just so damn lanky that it's hard for me not to arch my back... Any tips?
                            Try looking up, or at least level. Also drop your ass lower to the ground a little bit. Those are just some things i think would work, as I've heard that. I really am not sure how well it will work, as I am 5'8 and "lanky" is the last word anyone would use to describe me.
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                            • Originally posted by TitleTown088 View Post
                              I cannot get my dead lift form down. I'm just so damn lanky that it's hard for me not to arch my back... Any tips?
                              Drop the weight and work on form.




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                              • Originally posted by CJSchneider View Post
                                Drop the weight and work on form.
                                yeah, this. Plus, being long actually is the best build for DL because you can keep the bar right on your shins and still have your shoulder behind the bar.
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