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  • I never said they were mutually exclusive.




    2 C 5:6-8 Jakob Murphy aka themaninblack

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    • Originally posted by CJSchneider View Post
      I never said they were mutually exclusive.
      wait what? im so confused at what you are trying to say haha. i said that i have to decline doing anything not for pay except the following: video games, sports, drinking, smoking, and women. i understand you were trying to make a burn, but either you failed or im failing right now cuz we are NOT on the same page lol.

      Bonekrusher.

      Originally posted by JordanTaber
      Football...it's rocket surgery now, folks.

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      • Originally posted by prock View Post
        wait what? im so confused at what you are trying to say haha. i said that i have to decline doing anything not for pay except the following: video games, sports, drinking, smoking, and women. i understand you were trying to make a burn, but either you failed or im failing right now cuz we are NOT on the same page lol.




        2 C 5:6-8 Jakob Murphy aka themaninblack

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        • Originally posted by iowatreat54 View Post
          No it's annoying that people who speak English as their primary language can't even distinguish between a verb and an adjective.

          The grammar thing is different to me, as it is an internet forum, I don't expect people to type like they are writing a formal essay. However, there is absolutely no way you can tell me that you know the difference but simply confuse the two and it doesn't matter since it's an internet forum. You don't just use words you know are wrong just because it isn't a formal setting.

          Honestly, has it really come to this? People don't think it's a big deal that they can't differentiate between two ******* words? Are you going to start talking like, "I is went to the store tomorrow," now as well? After all, all those words are similar in meaning to the words that should be there, but since they are close enough I guess it makes sense and should be acceptable, because after all, who needs to have any sort of common sense or the tiniest understanding of the language they speak every day.

          For those who have English as a second language, I don't mean to direct this at you. But for everyone else, get a ******* clue.
          Bear with me here, as this point is a bit hard to understand and goes against just about everyone's natural inclinations, but I think it makes perfect sense.

          Grammatical correctness, acceptability, prescriptivism, what have you, is arbitrary. Languages and dialects anywhere and everywhere have grammatical rules and functions that must be kept for it to be called that language. However, there are additional rules made up by English school teachers or grammarians and dictionary makers in the past who generalize the rules of their dialect of English onto the entire language of English and say that the dialects do not conform are incorrect. There is no natural reason for this. They were conjured up in the past for whatever reason.

          Things like "ain't" or double negative were given superfluous grammatical reasons for why they were "wrong," like how "ain't" covers more persons that the positive (I ain't and they ain't but I am and they are) or how the double negative logically means that it is a positive statement as if an English sentence were like symbolic logic, but the real reasons were feelings of superiority of their dialect or what they were trying to hope to achieve. The heavy negative stereotyping of ain't is probably due to negative stereotyping of lower class people who speak it by the people who decided that it wasn't "proper English" (I'm not saying that people who say "ain't is wrong" are doing it with these intentions, but that it seems likely the inventors of the arbitrary rule thought this way). The double negative thing was taken from Latin, which grammarians of the past jerked off to in their beds, as it was considered so highly pristine, full of the classics, etc. Double negatives weren't allowed in Latin, allowed in the sense that they did not exist. However, in Middle English, double negatives were optionally used to emphasize that something was negative (in fact, double negatives were the norm in Old English). So when these grammarians started influencing English with their prescriptive rules and dictionaries that admired Latin, they came up with the "two negatives make a positive!!!1!" rhetoric. If that were some logical law for all languages, that would be clearly incorrect, since a ton of languages allow double negatives, like Spanish and Russian.

          So why have these arbitrary rules? It seems like a good idea to come up with a standard version of a language for other people to learn that can be maximally used between dialects. That's the intention that underlies why people often support these rules. What I'm criticizing, however, is the use of words like "wrong" and the almost-violent reaction to simply, understandable mistakes that don't really matter. They don't really matter because 1) we know what you mean and 2) you're not offending some holy writ of law on How Ye Must Speak The Mother Tongue. It's just arbitrary. Don't get your panties in a bunch. So as for dominant/dominate, we know that if it wasn't a typo 1) in my dialect, there is a distinction between the verb and adjective form and 2) in whoever's dialect that wrote/said this, there's no distinction and 3) I know what the person who wrote that meant since it is clear by the syntax that "dominate" is being used as an adjective. If it's a typo, I have less sympathy for the "it's wraung!!11" reaction. It's just a typo. Not knowing the distinction between the verb form and adjective form at all times doesn't imply that the person is stupid. It's just a damn word.

          by the way, I accidentally typed "simply, understandable mistakes" (as opposed to simple) but left it to illustrate my point.

          by BoneKrusher
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          • haha well you know what cj, ....... yeah i got nothin, ill take my burn and sit down lol

            Bonekrusher.

            Originally posted by JordanTaber
            Football...it's rocket surgery now, folks.

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            • Doing THIS to my finger after our 1st...indoors...walk through...preseason...rugby practice Sunday night.

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              • The rules of language exist to communicate. When people do not use the rules properly it takes longer for the person trying to accept the message to code it correctly. When someone uses a verb instead of an adjective it takes longer to understand it. If instead we insure people use the correct usage of words a longer and more efficient dialogue would be the end result.

                Thanks to BoneKrusher Credit and Rep to him for the sig.

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                • Originally posted by Whistler6 View Post


                  Doing THIS to my finger after our 1st...indoors...walk through...preseason...rugby practice Sunday night.




                  Tough break.

                  What do the vikings and marijuana have in common? Every time you put them in a bowl
                  they get smoked.

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                  Hint:Not the Bears.

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                  • Originally posted by TitleTown088 View Post
                    Tough break.
                    If I wasn't left-handed I wouldn't care, but I have 5 classes which are all basically writing constantly. I consider myself the Brett Favre of literature. Good not great, but I'll play through anything

                    ....And I'll **** over my classmates if it means I have a better shot at an A.

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                    • Originally posted by Whistler6 View Post
                      If I wasn't left-handed I wouldn't care, but I have 5 classes which are all basically writing constantly. I consider myself the Brett Favre of literature. Good not great, but I'll play through anything

                      ....And I'll **** over my classmates if it means I have a better shot at an A.
                      gotta love broken fingers. life of a keeper.

                      Bonekrusher.

                      Originally posted by JordanTaber
                      Football...it's rocket surgery now, folks.

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                      • for ****'s sake spoiler that sort of ****.

                        Pick the Winners Champion 2008 | 2011

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                        • When Ohio State fans feel the need to add "The" when saying the name of their school. Congratulations. You're the most famous school in Ohio. That's really quite a ******* feat. You had to beat out stalwarts like Ohio, Bowling Green and Miami of Ohio for that awesome title. We're all super impressed.

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                          • So why have these arbitrary rules? It seems like a good idea to come up with a standard version of a language for other people to learn that can be maximally used between dialects. That's the intention that underlies why people often support these rules. What I'm criticizing, however, is the use of words like "wrong" and the almost-violent reaction to simply, understandable mistakes that don't really matter. They don't really matter because 1) we know what you mean and 2) you're not offending some holy writ of law on How Ye Must Speak The Mother Tongue. It's just arbitrary. Don't get your panties in a bunch. So as for dominant/dominate, we know that if it wasn't a typo 1) in my dialect, there is a distinction between the verb and adjective form and 2) in whoever's dialect that wrote/said this, there's no distinction and 3) I know what the person who wrote that meant since it is clear by the syntax that "dominate" is being used as an adjective. If it's a typo, I have less sympathy for the "it's wraung!!11" reaction. It's just a typo. Not knowing the distinction between the verb form and adjective form at all times doesn't imply that the person is stupid. It's just a damn word.
                            No... Just No. They are different words, I don't care about typos, general spelling errors and that sort of thing, but honestly, dominant/dominate and lose/r/loose/r are the two that really **** me.

                            Dominant is an adjective that sounds very different to dominate when you say it, how can you think one thing and then type another other than being an idiot? It makes people who do it seem stupid and as a result it takes away from what they are saying. Lose/Loose is even worse, they are entirely different words that mean something different, sound different again and just make people using them wrong seem stupid.

                            That is what it is about, forums are a method for discussion, you can understand some shortening, some lazy grammar and the like, but the saying holds true, never argue with a fool because from a distance an observer can't tell who is who. If you can't be bothered to at least try and make sense with what you saying you look like an idiot to me. Those two are not hard ones to get right, literally just read the word out loud and you will know whether you have the right word or not. I don't even care about there/their/they're that much, for the most part people are just lazy on this one and they are all pronounced the same.

                            I'm sorry that I have to completely disagree with you, even your examples are different, double negatives are a way of saying something, using the wrong ******* word is not the same as that, not even comparable. It doesn't matter what language you talk about, if you say the wrong word you look stupid. You don't call a blue car a red car because you feel like it because it is wrong, it's exactly the same as dominant and dominate, they are different things, use them correctly.

                            In general I agree with you, but I can't extend "breaking" the rules of English to using words that are entirely wrong and mean something different.


                            Props to BK on the sig!

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                            • people who give me a negative reputation on a NFL draft website.
                              Last edited by GoRavens; 02-03-2010, 02:32 PM.
                              GO RAVENS

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                              • Originally posted by GoRavens View Post
                                you know what grinds my gears?
                                white kid's
                                The lack of ability to properly pluralize words?

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