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  • #61
    I enjoyed the scientific aspect of BNW and the examination of a society that it gave, but I just despised all the characters so much. I dont know, I always found it to be one of those books you appreciate more then enjoy.
    Originally posted by Mr. Goosemahn
    The APS is strong in this one.
    Originally posted by killxswitch
    Tears for Fears is better than whatever it is you happen to be thinking about right now.

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    • #62
      Huxley is a pretty strange writer; Brave New World would probably have to be considered one of his more accessible works. It's definitely one of the monumental dystopian works to date.

      I read Tucker Max's book while in the midst of a horrible fever (I don't exactly recall how that came to pass, but it did) and came away with two impressions. First off, there's no way the Tucker Max in the book is an honest representation of the writer and second, while the writing isn't bad, the subject matter is mostly utterly reprehensible. The book is basically a relatively eloquent version of "Dude, remember that one time..." with all the bravado that usually accompanies such things.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by raiderz4life View Post
        No lie but Awfullyquiet and her arguments have intrigued my curiosity on Tucker Max.....now i kinda feel the urge to pick up one of his books and see what this is all about....
        This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call falling for the trap. In the end, Tucker Max don't give a **** why you bought one of his books, just that you bought it.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by The Unseen View Post
          This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call falling for the trap. In the end, Tucker Max don't give a **** why you bought one of his books, just that you bought it.
          Typhoid Mary? Meet Chlamydia Max.

          on BNW

          The more I look back on 1984, the more it frightens me. I think BNW is the better book, but the presentation of characters in 1984 and the power of doublethink is absolutely phenomenal.
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          • #65



            Just finished reading this for about the fifth time. It's an excellent book, and really shows how truly useless the UN is in actually dealing with anything, rather than just talking about dealing with it.



            Originally posted by Jakey
            WWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFF!!!

            i am literally gonna kick a baby to death!

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            • #66
              Originally posted by awfullyquiet View Post

              The more I look back on 1984, the more it frightens me. I think BNW is the better book, but the presentation of characters in 1984 and the power of doublethink is absolutely phenomenal.
              I will give that 1984 is slightly more scary in the sense that the people and the world they live in are more human than Brave New World, so it's easier to emphasize with.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by ElectricEye View Post
                I will give that 1984 is slightly more scary in the sense that the people and the world they live in are more human than Brave New World, so it's easier to emphasize with.
                Or empathize even..........................



                Originally posted by Jakey
                WWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFF!!!

                i am literally gonna kick a baby to death!

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by ironman4579 View Post
                  Or empathize even..........................
                  ****. I'm tired. That's really ironic though haha.

                  Just finished Dunces last night. I really enjoyed the way things were wrapped up. Really rewarding read for something I just sort of picked up. I have nothing to read now though :( Lot's of free time this week as well. A trip to the bookstore is probably in order.
                  Last edited by ElectricEye; 09-30-2009, 10:31 AM.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by awfullyquiet View Post
                    Imbibing a girl until she's unable to actually consent.
                    Is that or is that not rape?

                    Is that what he does?
                    Yes.

                    http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/sh...&postcount=134

                    BUT WAIT! THERES MORE.

                    The entire concept of him trying to edge and skirt the line of 'what consent really is' is disgusting. He's a ******* lawyer. He's enjoying his time ******* people over for calling him what he really is. Some dude who inches closer and closer to what is really rape.


                    The objectification he makes of women not as people (*COUGH LIKE MYSELF*) but as just orifices regardless of consequence (and rules that he can bend), is sicking, revolting, and awful. his perception of women, i believe is shared, and enjoyed by many, many people.

                    and i cannot stand by and say, i enjoy being called a *****, a ****, or a ***** by men. and yet, this is what he espouses. once you break it into mens mind that women 'are' said things, the next step is easy.

                    "88 percent of men who reported an assault that met the legal definition of rape were adamant that they had not raped." (some university of texas study)

                    The subconsciousness of what men perceive to be rape, and what it is legally, are two VERY separate instances.

                    Of course, anyone who speaks up is a dumb fat ******* feminist anyway to him as bad as rapists anyway for calling him one. The entire **** is just ridiculous. And this isn't really the proper forum. But if you for one second think that anything in that book is remotely close to 'man, that's totally cool'. you are so ******* full of fail. exaggerated or not, the line is there, and a bunch of ******** men are going to cross it, rape innocent women, and not go to jail.

                    I will cave and say, yeah, it's freedom of speech. Doesn't make him any less of a douchebag than white supremacist. Wait. His fans are racist too?

                    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/b...e-with-racism/
                    The link you posted shows one messageboard post, and the link to the provided article is dead.

                    You're way overboard on this. Having sex with a drunk chick is rape? That's news to me. There's a difference between having sex with a flooz who loses her inhibitions when she's drunk and raping an unresponsive, comatose girl. Huge difference.

                    This is the biggest beef I have with your entire outlook on men and women. To you, women are nothing but victims in this big, bad misogynistic world. If women don't want to be treated like objects, well damn, they should stop objectifying THEMSELVES. Women receive the exact amount of respect from men that they demand. If they act like floozies, dress up like whores for attention and validation, and get drunk so they can have sex and not feel guilty about it, then whose fault is that? It's men's fault for making them do it right? Conversely, if a guy wakes up in the morning next to some beast of a woman who he would never have sex with if in a sober state, then whose fault is that? Did the woman take advantage of the man in that instance? No, it's just deemed as poor judgment.
                    Last edited by yourfavestoner; 09-30-2009, 12:42 PM.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
                      If women don't want to be treated like objects, well damn, they should stop objectifying THEMSELVES.
                      You think I disagree with this or something? My contempt for women is only superseded by my contempt for men.

                      Of course. Its OUR FAULT we're objectified, not the people doing the objectification. It's our fault we dress the way we do to elicit male attention, 'because our gender is hardwired for whoredom'. Its so easy to put the hat on us and tell us to change. Tell me, what have men done that's so inspiring in taking care of woman in todays frat-boy society? Where's the validation for women who aren't floozies or tramps? I can tell you the picking is shallow as can be.

                      W/e. I know the concept is lost on many, many, many men. But until you know the struggles of being a woman which aren't paralleled by being a man, the advantages people try to take of you because you're a woman, it will continue to be lost.

                      And. Since we're referring to you in this situation. Lets talk california. KTHX?

                      http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/261.html

                      (a) Rape is an act of sexual intercourse accomplished with a
                      person not the spouse of the perpetrator, under any of the following
                      circumstances:
                      (3) Where a person is prevented from resisting by any intoxicating
                      or anesthetic substance, or any controlled substance, and this
                      condition was known, or reasonably should have been known by the
                      accused.


                      too drunk to speak correctly.

                      there's SO MUCH GREY AREA between "a flooz who loses her inhibitions when she's drunk and raping an unresponsive, comatose girl." Huge difference. Sure, when it's black and white, there's an easy choice to be made. What about in the grey area?

                      sure, there's a time and a place for drunk sex. after consent has been reached. most of the time it hasn't been 'consented', but only assumed. meh, she's drunk, she won't care, she was asking for it, and she's kinda a floozy for getting really drunk. how often have i seen guys pegging which of the sloshed girls he's going to try to pick up and take home? lots. men do not have the rational capability, when they're drunk, to objectively think 'hey, does she really want to do this?'. no, the only thing on their mind is, where do i sign up.

                      I think you're saying that women are consciously making the decision to get drunk so they won't feel bad about 'having wild and drunk consensual sex'. I think if you believe all sex is consensual in situations like that, you're blind as hell. Women become targets when they drink. So women adapted, brought friends, and designated drivers. Men adapted, brought 'wingmen' and scurried the friends off, to leave the man with the most vulnerable one. I don't know if you've been drunk before YFS, but your cognitive skills are impaired. Do you expect everyone who goes out thinks that, man, i want to get laid, so i'm going to get shitfaced so i don't feel bad about who I have sex with tonight? or is it more, i want to go out, get sloshed with my friends, have fun, and enjoy the rest of my night? i can tell you, for as many times as i've had one too many drinks, the moment that happens, you have guys trying to take you home, even when it's not your intention for that evening.

                      i'm not denying women do the former, but, men, for the most part don't care about the why, they care about the what. and the what is their deep seated desire to feel better about themselves by putting more notches in their headboard. yes, it is ambiguious, but, men take no care or concern for the law, and yes, it takes alcohol for them to fuel that iron resolve of, no, it isn't rape, yes, she consented (i think), no i didn't take advantage of her. no i'm not going to call her again, it was just a... 'thing'.

                      I hate the fact that I can't actually have more than a drink or two in public without fear that some guy is going to try to get me to have sex with him, because i'm drunk. It's unnerving, unreasonable, and misogynistic.
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                      • #71
                        currently reading this

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                        • #72
                          Never read Coupland.

                          I'm assuming it's not bad work. Correct?

                          Has anyone ever read anything by Richard Powers?
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by awfullyquiet View Post

                            I hate the fact that I can't actually have more than a drink or two in public without fear that some guy is going to try to get me to have sex with him, because i'm drunk. It's unnerving, unreasonable, and misogynistic.
                            I'm not going to quote the whole post here. First off, let me say that I basically agree with you AQ.

                            I would however like to make one point, and that is this. Most women seem to lack common sense in one key area. And the area is friendship. Let me just say this now. Pass it on to your friends.

                            If you have a straight guy friend who is single (or possibly not), and you are even halfway decent looking, he will bang you. He wants to bang you. He's thought about banging you. If he sees the slightest opportunity to bang you, he will bang you.

                            And the problem is, women don't seem to see this. How many of you guys have been dating a girl who meets a new guy "friend" who she thinks is so nice and sweet, and is just her friend, and isn't interested in banging her. You tell her he just wants to bang her, but she can't possibly imagine this is the case. And then he makes a move, she shuts him down, and then she can't figure out why he turned into such an asshat?

                            And then these are the people you go to the bar with. The "good guy" "good friend" who would never take advantage of you. And then when he makes a move, you guys are shocked. And when you wake up next to him, you still can't believe it happened. And then when he's an asshat afterwards, you are even more astounded.

                            So in summation, every straight guy you know will bang you if given a chance, guys are mostly asshats with a few decent ones sprinkled in (I like to think of myself as one of those, but my fiance is ridiculously pissed at me, so what do I know), and if you realize this, you may not be put into completely awkward situations as often.

                            That said, we suck, and we know we do.



                            Originally posted by Jakey
                            WWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFF!!!

                            i am literally gonna kick a baby to death!

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                            • #74
                              What's the base of the problem?

                              The same thread that runs through literature.

                              Mens inability to separate themselves from their dicks.
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by awfullyquiet View Post
                                Mens inability to separate themselves from their dicks.
                                I'm sorry, what were you saying? Something about wiener-envy? :D

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