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  • #16
    Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
    To help GF a bit here...

    Did Catesby really believe the Gunpowder plot could actually be pulled off? I mean as close is it was to happening it probably never would have worked as well as he had hoped and would only have made things worse for his cause.
    Seemed like it had too many moving parts as well. Sort of like the Lincoln assassanation where so many things had to happen.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Brent View Post
      terrorism isnt about how successful you are in killing, so much as it is about creating fear. if he killed a few people and scared the **** out of the rest, mission accomplished.
      I always thought more of Catesby and the rest (well not Fawkes) as above a simple act of terrorism.

      I agree completely with the Columbus opinion however. He was a psychopath who happened upon a certain area of land and is basically responsible for acts that led to genocide.


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      • #18
        Originally posted by Brent View Post
        seriously though, I would love to have a conversation about how I find Columbus Day offensive and disgusting because the guy was a piece of ****.
        For all the education majors at our school almost all C&I200 classes had to read Lies My Teacher Told Me. After that all my friends, mostly girls, came to me with a 'crazy' truth that Christopher Columbus was a real asshole and killed a bunch of people. Made me chuckle.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
          I always thought more of Catesby and the rest (well not Fawkes) as above a simple act of terrorism.
          yeah I am not up on my British history to really discuss this beyond a surface level (looking for BF_51 to come in)

          Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
          I agree completely with the Columbus opinion however. He was a psychopath who happened upon a certain area of land and is basically responsible for acts that led to genocide.
          well, many of the early explorers thought they were the **** because natives didnt believe in ownership, and gladly shared what they had. throw in the numbers who died from european diseases & some modern technology, you have men who find themselves to be unstoppable.

          Originally posted by dabears10 View Post
          For all the education majors at our school almost all C&I200 classes had to read Lies My Teacher Told Me. After that all my friends, mostly girls, came to me with a 'crazy' truth that Christopher Columbus was a real asshole and killed a bunch of people. Made me chuckle.
          I dont see how people wouldnt assume this on their own. European with superior technology + unfamiliar diseases + ownership society = disaster for the natives.

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          • #20
            As Brent stated, Columbus wasn't the only explorer to commit genocide. There's a big problem of how we teach exploration to the younger generations.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Giantsfan1080 View Post
              As Brent stated, Columbus wasn't the only explorer to commit genocide. There's a big problem of how we teach exploration to the younger generations.
              well, I think there is a giant gap in how we educate kids with the "disney history" of America rather than what actually went down. no one wants to know they live in a country who tried to get independence because a few people realized they could make WAY more money if they didnt have to pay British taxes, and, instead, ran the place where they lived.

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              • #22
                He's the only one with his own holiday.


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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Giantsfan1080 View Post
                  As Brent stated, Columbus wasn't the only explorer to commit genocide. There's a big problem of how we teach exploration to the younger generations.
                  This is definitely true. Almost everything that is taught in schools is censored and kept from absolute truth. Some is redacted because it is not particularly important and there is a limited amount of time, some is not taught because the tests don't need that information, and some is left out because the teachers simply don't know themselves.

                  This may sound bad, but some of the dumbest people I met in College were Elementary Ed Majors. It made me think about the teachers I had in elementary schools and most of them were not the brightest people.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
                    He's the only one with his own holiday.
                    that's because someone, long ago, decide to celebrate the white man's accomplishments rather than acknowledge the natives who were here 10s of thousands of years prior to his trip.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
                      He's the only one with his own holiday.
                      that's because he discovered America. Obviously we had to give him the holiday.

                      And I always loved the story of the Lincoln assasination. Not the fact it happened, but the whole plot and that one of the assasins chickened out and got drunk instead of killing someone I can't remember. (Secratary of something IIRC)
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by dabears10 View Post
                        This is definitely true. Almost everything that is taught in schools is censored and kept from absolute truth. Some is redacted because it is not particularly important and there is a limited amount of time, some is not taught because the tests don't need that information, and some is left out because the teachers simply don't know themselves.

                        This may sound bad, but some of the dumbest people I met in College were Elementary Ed Majors. It made me think about the teachers I had in elementary schools and most of them were not the brightest people.
                        Good thing that we don't have standardized tests for Social Studies.... yet
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                        Thanks jerks, I have an exam tomorrow and reading this lowered my IQ by 14 points. Dicks.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by The_Dude View Post
                          Good thing that we don't have standardized tests for Social Studies.... yet
                          In Illinois we did, the Prairie State Exam had Social Studies questions in it.

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                          • #28
                            We do in LA. They are written by people no more intelligent then those writing the text books.




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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by CJSchneider View Post
                              We do in LA. They are written by people no more intelligent then those writing the text books.
                              standardized testing FTL

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                              • #30
                                That is one thing that I really like about my job. No one tells me what i have to teach. I just really have to stay within the context of 20th Century History and that is it. I am sure that will change when the geniuses at the MN Dept of Ed decide to force us to give yet another standardized test.
                                Originally posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
                                Thanks jerks, I have an exam tomorrow and reading this lowered my IQ by 14 points. Dicks.

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