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  • Originally posted by jayceheathman View Post
    For some reason I was thinking Harper was going in next years draft. I like Alex Meyer as well for next years draft.
    I guess technically he could if the team who drafts doesn't sign him. I don't think that will happen though.
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    • Hopefully the Ks will die down...he just had that really bad mini stretch, where he was K'd up 7 times in three games, but he's looked better here recently. He really shouldnt be a big strike out guy, not even this year. I'm just surprised by his start...because, he's showing a lot more power earlier than expected and the Ks are up there. Everyone knows Heyward can kill the ball, but he's never been big on swinging for the fences, he's a contact guy...if it goes out, it goes out. Not like I was expecting say 30+ this year even.

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      • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
        Hopefully the Ks will die down...he just had that really bad mini stretch, where he was K'd up 7 times in three games, but he's looked better here recently. He really shouldnt be a big strike out guy, not even this year. I'm just surprised by his start...because, he's showing a lot more power earlier than expected and the Ks are up there. Everyone knows Heyward can kill the ball, but he's never been big on swinging for the fences, he's a contact guy...if it goes out, it goes out. Not like I was expecting say 30+ this year even.
        I think there are 5 guys that hit 30+ HR's in their first year at that age. They are all HOF's. I forget everyone but I know A-Rod and Mel Ott were at least 2 of them.
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        • Who knows where he'll end up? I just thought it was odd how he was starting. It's sooooo early, but I never would have guessed that he would start off the year either striking out or going deep. He's just not that type of player...again though, way too early to be making season long assumptions. Everything should even out soon enough.

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          • Hahahahaha, classic video

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            • Sorry MOTH, I just have to do this in honor of the 4-strikeout, Golden Sombrero performance that Heyward had on Friday:

              The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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              • The negative effect of strikeouts is vastly overstated. Heyward is still hitting just below .300 and has an OBP of .370. Of his 9 strikeouts this year, only 3 of them have come with runners on and only 1 with a runner in scoring position. The percentage of strikeouts that end up costing a team a run is actually pretty minimal. A strikeout is really no worse than a pop up. The only difference is that with a pop up there is that 1/100 chance the the defender will drop it.

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                • Originally posted by P-L View Post
                  The negative effect of strikeouts is vastly overstated. Heyward is still hitting just below .300 and has an OBP of .370. Of his 9 strikeouts this year, only 3 of them have come with runners on and only 1 with a runner in scoring position. The percentage of strikeouts that end up costing a team a run is actually pretty minimal. A strikeout is really no worse than a pop up. The only difference is that with a pop up there is that 1/100 chance the the defender will drop it.
                  Strikeouts are certainly overrated. That is, if the K/BB ratio is still at a high level. If not then it clearly show poor plate discipline, among other things.

                  Most people view strikeouts in an extremely negative light though as it was considered 'taboo' for a hitter to strike out and many casual fans still carry that with them. Plus, lets be honest, there is nothing uglier than watching a guy striking out with men on base. Except maybe hitting into a double play.
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                  • Originally posted by Forenci View Post
                    Strikeouts are certainly overrated. That is, if the K/BB ratio is still at a high level. If not then it clearly show poor plate discipline, among other things.

                    Most people view strikeouts in an extremely negative light though as it was considered 'taboo' for a hitter to strike out and many casual fans still carry that with them. Plus, lets be honest, there is nothing uglier than watching a guy striking out with men on base. Except maybe hitting into a double play.
                    Like you said, in the past strikeouts more often than not showed a poor understanding of the strikezone. In the past players that struck out a ton rarely walked. In today's baseball you see more and more players who strike out a ton but also walk a ton and have decently high batting averages. This type of player, rarely existed if at all back in the day.

                    Even though the strikeout is overrated, there are still a lot of things that can happen on a groundout or fly ball that can't when a player strikesout.

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                    • strikeouts with men on base, especially in scoring position, is when it becomes a big problem. leadoff double, a grounder to 1st or 2nd, moves him over the 3rd in position for a sac fly, whereas a strikeout keeps him stranded.

                      I do agree strikeouts are over-rated, but still, there's a bit of logic behind the rational.
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                      • I agree that strikeouts for batters are overrated, but can someone explain to me why they're considered so important for pitchers then?

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                        • Originally posted by yo123 View Post
                          I agree that strikeouts for batters are overrated, but can someone explain to me why they're considered so important for pitchers then?
                          It's still an out. A K for a pitcher takes the ball out of the hands of his defense so he can control the action. If a batter hits it weakly then a ball could still fall in while a K still gets an out and you don't have to worry about where the ball might land no matter how hard it was it.
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                          • Originally posted by yo123 View Post
                            I agree that strikeouts for batters are overrated, but can someone explain to me why they're considered so important for pitchers then?
                            It follows the same idea that Forenci mentioned. If a pitcher strikes out 10 guys in a game, but walks 6 or 7, nobody is going to really care. But, if he's striking batters out consistently with no walk issues, there's a good chance he's dominating the other team.

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                            • Brad Thomas is terrible and Carlos Guillen has no place in the outfield.


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                              • Guillen has thrown it to third twice when it should have went to second...cost us two runs....Isn't he a veteran?

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