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  • Originally posted by Babylon View Post
    Irrelevant as to whether Bonds was better than Rose as a baseball player. I tend to think he wasn't.

    As for betting vs steroids you could argue that Rose might have actually put up better numbers had he not bet on games when you consider he might have backed off in some of those games he gambled on.

    Big picture i'm not advocating for Rose to be in, just saying if he isnt the others shouldn't be either.
    He didn't bet until he was a coach.

    Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
    I really don't see a huge difference between steroid use and betting on the game. Both undermine the general competitiveness and fairness of the sport.

    I wouldn't let any of them in, and I honestly don't understand why anyone cares considering what massive assholes all three of them seem to be.
    Oh shut up, there is no actual evidence that directly links enhanced performance with the use of steroids. It's just hearsay and could easily be a placebo effect. Plus, Bonds is one of the greatest players of all time, and being one of the biggest assholes of all time didn't stop the HOF from electing Ty Cobb as a HOF.


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    • This dude sucked:

      Major League records:
      Most career hits ΤΗτ 4,256
      Most career outs ΤΗτ 10,328
      Most career games played ΤΗτ 3,562
      Most career at bats ΤΗτ 14,053
      Most career singles ΤΗτ 3,215
      Most career runs by a switch hitter ΤΗτ 2,165
      Most career doubles by a switch hitter ΤΗτ 746
      Most career walks by a switch hitter ΤΗτ 1,566
      Most career total bases by a switch hitter ΤΗτ 5,752
      Most seasons of 200 or more hits ΤΗτ 10 (shared)
      Most consecutive seasons of 100 or more hits ΤΗτ 23
      Most consecutive seasons with 600 or more at bats ΤΗτ 13 (1968ΤΗτ1980)
      Most seasons with 600 at bats ΤΗτ 17
      Most seasons with 150 or more games played ΤΗτ 17
      Most seasons with 100 or more games played ΤΗτ 23
      Record for playing in the most winning games ΤΗτ 1,972
      Only player in major league history to play more than 500 games at five different positions ΤΗτ 1B (939), LF (671), 3B (634), 2B (628), RF (595)
      National League records:
      Most years played ΤΗτ 24
      Most consecutive years played ΤΗτ 24
      Most career runs ΤΗτ 2,165
      Most career doubles ΤΗτ 746
      Most career games with 5 or more hits ΤΗτ 10
      Modern (post-1900) NL record for longest consecutive game hitting streak NL ΤΗτ 44
      Modern record for most consecutive hitting streaks of 20 or more games ΤΗτ 7


      And I have met Pete more than a few times. He is a genuinely nice guy. Especially because we are both from the same side of Cincinnati, my original home runs on the street adjacent to his. My sister was in Las Vegas on vacation and Pete was there signing autographs and he saw the Reds hat her friend had on, yelled at them to come over (into an area you were supposed to pay money for) and asked them all about where in Cincinnati the were from, talked about what he misses most when he is out of town etc.

      And as for the actual reports on Rose's gambling, they never found evidence that showed without a doubt he gambled on baseball, specifically against the Reds. It wasnt until 2004(I think) he admitted to gambling at all on baseball. He claims he never bet against the Reds. And having met him, I would believe him simply because he is the type of guy who would play you in any game if you said you could best him at it.

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      • I'm not saying he's not a HOF, and I know he only bet on his team as a coach, but he's not as good of a player as Bonds or Clemens were. It's just a fact.


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        • Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
          I'm not saying he's not a HOF, and I know he only bet on his team as a coach, but he's not as good of a player as Bonds or Clemens were. It's just a fact.
          Except it is not. If it was, people would not debate it. It is your opinion.

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          • Originally posted by Bengals78 View Post
            Except it is not. If it was, people would not debate it. It is your opinion.
            Are you seriously going to debate that he's better than Bonds? Seriously? SERIOUSLY?


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            • Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
              Are you seriously going to debate that he's better than Bonds? Seriously? SERIOUSLY?
              Uh oh. Someone disagreed with Brody....

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              • Bonds and Clemens are ABSOLUTELY better than Rose. Rose was great, but no.




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                • Originally posted by Bengals78 View Post
                  Uh oh. Someone disagreed with Brody....
                  Bonds got on base more, was a better fielder/won more gold gloves, was a better baserunner, had considerably more power, won more MVPs...I seriously have absolutely no clue how you could see Rose as a better player than Bonds. It's ******* ridiculous.


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                  • Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
                    Bonds got on base more, was a better fielder/won more gold gloves, was a better baserunner, had considerably more power, won more MVPs...I seriously have absolutely no clue how you could see Rose as a better player than Bonds. It's ******* ridiculous.
                    Take away the roids and it's not even an issue, correct?

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                    • Great, Epstein begins his conquest of the NL now. Zach Lee and Randall Delgado are very good rotation pieces that aren't ready to help this team win yet, meaning he gets to tank his way up the draft board.

                      Still, Dempster will be more effective than Delgado in the playoff rotation, and that's all that matters this year for Atlanta. There is still plenty of pitching depth in the Atlanta system, even without Vizzy and Julio dropping.

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                      • Originally posted by Babylon View Post
                        Take away the roids and it's not even an issue, correct?
                        Take away the roids and you have a 3 time MVP and the best player of the 90s. And again, I legitimately don't see any direct correlation between roids and performance like so many others do. Bonds was the hardest working player in baseball, and he was absolutely obsessed with being the best.


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                        • Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
                          Bonds got on base more, was a better fielder/won more gold gloves, was a better baserunner, had considerably more power, won more MVPs...I seriously have absolutely no clue how you could see Rose as a better player than Bonds. It's ******* ridiculous.
                          Rose didn't have to cheat to get to where he got.

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                          • Originally posted by mqtirishfan View Post
                            Great, Epstein begins his conquest of the NL now. Zach Lee and Randall Delgado are very good rotation pieces that aren't ready to help this team win yet, meaning he gets to tank his way up the draft board.

                            Still, Dempster will be more effective than Delgado in the playoff rotation, and that's all that matters this year for Atlanta. There is still plenty of pitching depth in the Atlanta system, even without Vizzy and Julio dropping.
                            He'll have to beat out Houston for that, who possesses about 3 players who are legitimate major leaguers.




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                            • Originally posted by Bengals78 View Post
                              Except it is not. If it was, people would not debate it. It is your opinion.
                              You make all Reds fans look stupid.


                              <@JBond> And Dg, you'd waste it on corndogs
                              <@JBond> So you get no 5 dollars
                              <+DG> how is buy one get one free wasting?
                              <+njx9> i'm pretty sure your people still eat boots in north korea, bantx. they don't know what vegetables are.

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                              • Originally posted by Bengals78 View Post
                                Rose didn't have to cheat to get to where he got.


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