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  • Originally posted by Xiomera View Post
    Perhaps, but you can make the opposite argument just as easily. It's because of the fact that the play had no effect on the win and loss that it's justifiable to change it.
    That makes it less important to me. If you're worried about the integrity of the game, calls that effect wins and losses would hold the most priority. Baseball is great how it is. I wouldn't touch any of it. No changing calls, no asteriks in record books, none of it.

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    • Its not going to change so accept it and move on. I recognize it as a perfect game in my mind and so should everyone else. But this **** happens in baseball, except its usually much less publicized. This one catches a lot of flack because of the obvious situation, which is completely understandable. But bitching on here isn't going to change the outcome.


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      • Originally posted by Jughead10 View Post
        That makes it less important to me. If you're worried about the integrity of the game, calls that effect wins and losses would hold the most priority. Baseball is great how it is. I wouldn't touch any of it. No changing calls, no asteriks in record books, none of it.
        Well I am in favor of sweeping changes to "get it right" as often as possible. This doesn't include disputes of balls and strikes, but determine a list of reviewable plays.

        No reason to continue living in the stone age of sports. Every other sport has embraced technological advances. No reason baseball can't as well.

        The term "human element" needs to be banned.
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        • Originally posted by Hawk View Post
          But bitching on here isn't going to change the outcome.
          That's what you think!

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            • Originally posted by HinesWardJr View Post
              I have no problem with Xio or any Tiger fan bitching about that call. I would ***** as much as they are as well. A perfect game is a once in a lifetime oppertunity to get. Even the greatest of pitchers can't get one and to have the ump take it away from you? Oh man. Galaraga is a better man than I am for him to just play it off like it was nothing.
              Originally posted by Hawk View Post
              Its not going to change so accept it and move on. I recognize it as a perfect game in my mind and so should everyone else. But this **** happens in baseball, except its usually much less publicized. This one catches a lot of flack because of the obvious situation, which is completely understandable. But bitching on here isn't going to change the outcome.
              I'm well past the point of bitching about the decision. But I'll gladly resume if I am going to be told not discuss the play and the ramifications of it. It's a ******* discussion thread.
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              • Originally posted by Xiomera View Post
                Well I am in favor of sweeping changes to "get it right" as often as possible. This doesn't include disputes of balls and strikes, but determine a list of reviewable plays.

                No reason to continue living in the stone age of sports. Every other sport has embraced technological advances. No reason baseball can't as well.

                The term "human element" needs to be banned.
                I enjoy the human element. I enjoy the managers and players working over the umps at the plate. I enjoy when my manager really gives it to a ump after a questionable call. There are human elements in all sports. You can never take it out.

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                • Originally posted by HinesWardJr View Post
                  I have no problem with Xio or any Tiger fan bitching about that call. I would ***** as much as they are as well. A perfect game is a once in a lifetime oppertunity to get. Even the greatest of pitchers can't get one and to have the ump take it away from you? Oh man. Galaraga is a better man than I am for him to just play it off like it was nothing.
                  he probably handled it well because he understands that in the long run a perfect game won't really mean a lot to his career. if he's a great pitcher, a perfect game or lack there of won't change that. if he's terrible, he's just some guy in the record books.

                  gallaraga's "perfect game" will be just as revered as dallas braden's is X amount of years down the road but in the grand scheme of things, whether this happened or not won't change anything.

                  that doesn't mean i'm against changing the call, if you can do it, then do it, but i think we overestimate how important this is to guys. sure, it's a great individual achievement, but throwing a perfect game doesn't guarantee you induction into the hall of fame, it doesn't even mean you'll make a single all-star game in your entire career. i think he really would have been content with the fact that he pitched a complete game, one-hit shutout, and that he got his team a W. the only thing tainting his performance is a blown call, but had it come in the fourth inning, would we really be having this much of a discussion?

                  this makes me feel like gallaraga is a guy who doesn't really give a damn about individual achievement because he was lucky to even have the opportunity he did. i think he understands that when all 162 games are up that one blemish in this box score isn't going to change what detroit's record looks like.

                  this is really the point i was trying to make earlier. a perfect game really doesn't mean anything in the long run. it's just one time in your career where you couldn't be touched. one game out of the hundreds he might start or play in through his career. and the truth is that no matter what the books say, he was unhittable. i don't think he gives a damn about having his name on some super wikipedia 250 years in the future.

                  this is just my opinion, though. i think a perfect game seems like a lot to us, but in reality, it doesn't mean ****.
                  Last edited by sbh15; 06-03-2010, 10:34 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by Jughead10 View Post
                    I enjoy the human element. I enjoy the managers and players working over the umps at the plate. I enjoy when my manager really gives it to a ump after a questionable call. There are human elements in all sports. You can never take it out.
                    And it still wouldn't be eliminated if there were more instant replay.

                    I don't really understand the reason for singling out home runs as the one thing that can be reviewed currently.

                    They're really no more significant than a fair or foul ball down the line or whether a guy beats out an infield single. Or a player is out at home.

                    If Selig was willing to allow home run review, then what exactly is the difference between that and the sort of review people are calling for now in the aftermath of this controversy?
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                    • Selig's a lazy coward who will never do anything but cheap and minor compromises, sort of like a poor man's Politician Paul in a way.


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                      • Originally posted by sbh15 View Post
                        he probably handled it well because he understands that in the long run a perfect game won't really mean a lot to his career. if he's a great pitcher, a perfect game or lack there of won't change that. if he's terrible, he's just some guy in the record books.

                        gallaraga's "perfect game" will be just as revered as dallas braden's is X amount of years down the road but in the grand scheme of things, whether this happened or not won't change anything.

                        that doesn't mean i'm against changing the call, if you can do it, then do it, but i think we overestimate how important this is to guys. sure, it's a great individual achievement, but throwing a perfect game doesn't guarantee you induction into the hall of fame, it doesn't even mean you'll make a single all-star game in your entire career. i think he really would have been content with the fact that he pitched a complete game, one-hit shutout, and that he got his team a W. the only thing tainting his performance is a blown call, but had it come in the fourth inning, would we really be having this much of a discussion?

                        this makes me feel like gallaraga is a guy who doesn't really give a damn about individual achievement because he was lucky to even have the opportunity he did. i think he understands that when all 162 games are up that one blemish in this box score isn't going to change what detroit's record looks like.

                        this is really the point i was trying to make earlier. a perfect game really doesn't mean anything in the long run. it's just one time in your career where you couldn't be touched. one game out of the hundreds he might start or play in through his career. and the truth is that no matter what the books say, he was unhittable. i don't think he gives a damn about having his name on some super wikipedia 250 years in the future.

                        this is just my opinion, though. i think a perfect game seems like a lot to us, but in reality, it doesn't mean ****.
                        You are very right on a lot of points here, but the fact remains: there's only 20 perfect games in 120+ years of baseball history.

                        I honestly think that the recent perfect games by Braden and Halladay only softened the significance/outcry of this controversy (yes, I believe it could have been worse). In a sense, some people might think the novelty has worn off. Which is sad, because it remains one of the greatest achievements in sports.

                        And the temperament of Armando shouldn't really factor into anything. It's noble of him to have acted how he did, but no one would have blamed him for being irate (Joyce said so himself).
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                        • You're right Xio but if he's the one most directly affected by it and he's not making a huge stink then you sort of have to wonder.
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                          • Originally posted by Jughead10 View Post

                            But I'm still firmly against changing the call for Gallaraga. Calls are blown with crucial wins and losses on the line in more important situations like the playoffs or world series. Wouldn't it be in the "best interest of the game" for those calls to be correct too?
                            Ive avoided this thread/discussion because thoughts of last nights game leave me with a stomach pain. However, your argument against fixing it is... 'well theyve made bad calls in the past, so thats a good enough reason to continue to allow bad calls to happen'. Thats basically the gist of it, no? Pretty lame argument if you ask me.

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                            • Someone on ESPN was making the point that Jim Joyce will be more affected by than Armando in the long run. If Selig changed the call it would save Joyce from all the things he's going to get everyday in other parks and not to mention his whole life. Selig should change it for Joyce and not GaGa.

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                              • Originally posted by Giantsfan1080 View Post
                                You're right Xio but if he's the one most directly affected by it and he's not making a huge stink then you sort of have to wonder.
                                I don't think it changes anything. I just hope this becomes the event that spurns change in a league that desperately needs updating.
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