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  • Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
    Name the others better than him besides Ted Williams and Babe Ruth.
    Ty Cobb, Joe Dimaggio, Mickey Mantle, Lou Gehrig, Stan Musial, Hank Greenberg, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Frank Robinson off the top of my head. Not many others though.
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    • Originally posted by Jughead10 View Post
      Lou Gehrig.
      He didn't utterly dominate the weak ass competition that was there in the day like Ruth did, so I don't really consider him to be better.


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      • Originally posted by Giantsfan1080 View Post
        Ty Cobb, Joe Dimaggio, Mickey Mantle, Lou Gehrig, Stan Musial, Hank Greenberg, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Frank Robinson off the top of my head. Not many others though.
        Cobb- didn't have the power
        DiMaggio- didn't play long enough/wasn't as good anyway
        Mantle- Just no
        Gehrig- already explained, although he's the one I'd make the biggest case for
        Musial- No
        Greenberg- MAYBE if the war didn't interfere, but still no
        Aaron- oh come on
        Willie Mays- Not enough patience to match his hitting skills
        Robinson- Are you ******* serious?


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        • Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
          He didn't utterly dominate the weak ass competition that was there in the day like Ruth did, so I don't really consider him to be better.
          He was pretty damn dominate. And didn't have the protection in the lineup that Ruth did.

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          • Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
            Cobb- didn't have the power
            DiMaggio- didn't play long enough/wasn't as good anyway
            Mantle- Just no
            Gehrig- already explained, although he's the one I'd make the biggest case for
            Musial- No
            Greenberg- MAYBE if the war didn't interfere, but still no
            Aaron- oh come on
            Willie Mays- Not enough patience to match his hitting skills
            Robinson- Are you ******* serious?
            He's a first ballot HOF for sure but it's hard to rank Bonds because of the steroids. DiMaggio for instance didn't play long enough because he lost a few years in the war and unlike most of the greats he decided to retire on top rather than hang around too long. Bonds was able to hang on because of the steroids. Joe retired at 36, Bonds had some of his best years after that age.

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            • It's almost impossible to compare era's but the steroids totally kill Bonda and I'm still putting him in the Top 15 of all time. With the guys I listed we could argue about it for the next 2 years and never come up with a clear answer.
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              • Originally posted by Jughead10 View Post
                He's a first ballot HOF for sure but it's hard to rank Bonds because of the steroids. DiMaggio for instance didn't play long enough because he lost a few years in the war and unlike most of the greats he decided to retire on top rather than hang around too long. Bonds was able to hang on because of the steroids. Joe retired at 36, Bonds had some of his best years after that age.
                It's a little less cut and dry then "Bonds was able to hang on because of the steroids." Outside of some minor injuries in 99, Bonds was constantly healthy for the first 20 years of his career and had a freakish training regime (NOT JUST THE STEROIDS).

                You sure as **** can't argue for Frank Robinson being better than Bonds.


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                • Kyle Kendrick pitches so much better when attendance figures are low. He's like the real life version of Ron Weasley.
                  Is that a rash?



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                  • Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
                    It's a little less cut and dry then "Bonds was able to hang on because of the steroids." Outside of some minor injuries in 99, Bonds was constantly healthy for the first 20 years of his career and had a freakish training regime (NOT JUST THE STEROIDS).

                    You sure as **** can't argue for Frank Robinson being better than Bonds.
                    Im of the opinion that Barry would have been a HOF without the steroids. Which is why I think he should go in first ballot anyway. But when comparing him to some of the all time greats in the past, you can't overlook that his 4 best seasons came when he was 35-39 which is absolutely unheard of.

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                    • Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
                      He didn't utterly dominate the weak ass competition that was there in the day like Ruth did, so I don't really consider him to be better.
                      Eh, he still managed a career 1.080 OPS over a 17 year career. No one would suggest he was better than Ruth, but behind the Babe, it's basically Gehrig and Foxx and then a huge gap, then everyone else (in that era, that is).

                      edit - That said, Gehrig is the only guy I'd consider as being real competition to Bonds as a hitter after Williams and Ruth. You could say that Mays was the better all-around player, but no one else on that list even comes close.
                      Last edited by Paranoidmoonduck; 08-04-2010, 11:44 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by Jughead10 View Post
                        Im of the opinion that Barry would have been a HOF without the steroids. Which is why I think he should go in first ballot anyway. But when comparing him to some of the all time greats in the past, you can't overlook that his 4 best seasons came when he was 35-39 which is absolutely unheard of.
                        Hank Aaron's 2 best offensive seasons took place when he was 37 and 39, so (yes I do believe he was taking amphetamines but I really don't give a ****)...


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                        • Dan Johnson sighting.

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                          • Boesch is 7 for 72 in the second half, .990 OPS at break is now down to .830

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                            • Originally posted by Stash View Post
                              Dan Johnson sighting.
                              Seriously? Where?

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                              • Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck View Post
                                Seriously? Where?
                                He raped in Durham, so now he's in the Rays endless cycle of DH's.


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