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  • Dave Parker and Lee Smith? Uhhh.......


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    • Congrats to Roberto Alomar. I used to have an Alomar jersey when I was really young. Hopefully he goes in as a Jay and becomes the first Jay to ever make it to the hall.

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      • Originally posted by Chucky View Post
        Congrats to Roberto Alomar. I used to have an Alomar jersey when I was really young. Hopefully he goes in as a Jay and becomes the first Jay to ever make it to the hall.
        It's gotta be between Toronto and Cleveland. He has the World Series titles in Toronto, but better individual success in Cleveland.

        For some reason I always think of him as an Oriole though.

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        • **** Robbie Alomar, that AIDS infested ******.

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          • Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
            Dave Parker and Lee Smith? Uhhh.......
            I consider Parker to be among the greatest hitters of the 1970s and early 80s. Granted, he did finish his career as a fat piece of **** DH, but for the majority of his career he was a 5-tool all star.

            Lee Smith should definitely garner consideration since Goose, Eck, and Bruce Sutter have all been elected.



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            • Originally posted by fischbowl View Post
              I consider Parker to be among the greatest hitters of the 1970s and early 80s. Granted, he did finish his career as a fat piece of **** DH, but for the majority of his career he was a 5-tool all star.

              Lee Smith should definitely garner consideration since Goose, Eck, and Bruce Sutter have all been elected.
              Parker was garbage outside of a good fight year stretch, and Lee shouldn't get in just because the BBWAA were dumb enough to put in Sutter and Eck.


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              • Bagwell should be in as well but I don't know if that's ever going to happen. How do defensive metrics work for older players? UZR is based on people that actually chart the plays during the game and didn't start until after Alomar retired.
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                • Originally posted by Giantsfan1080 View Post
                  Bagwell should be in as well but I don't know if that's ever going to happen. How do defensive metrics work for older players? UZR is based on people that actually chart the plays during the game and didn't start until after Alomar retired.
                  Total zone and other metrics don't like him.


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                  • Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
                    Total zone and other metrics don't like him.
                    Well regardless, he still had at worst average defense and his bat played very well for a MIF. Larkin should get in next year.

                    The class in 2 years is going to be insane. Greg Maddux, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mike Piazza, Tom Glavine, and some others I think I'm missing are all eligible for the first time.
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                    • Just wondering, is there a chance that Maddux is the first unanimous selection? I mean, he has absolutely no controversy around him (no steroid talk, no character concerns, great teammate) and he's one of the best pitchers of all time easily.


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                      • Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
                        Just wondering, is there a chance that Maddux is the first unanimous selection? I mean, he has absolutely no controversy around him (no steroid talk, no character concerns, great teammate) and he's one of the best pitchers of all time easily.
                        He should be but some idiot writer will not give him a vote because if "(insert player here) was not unanimous then Maddux shouldn't be either."
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                        • And then I will have that writer fired for stupidity. Bonds and Clemens better make it in also, I really don't give a flying **** whether there is steroid concerns or not.


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                          • Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
                            And then I will have that writer fired for stupidity. Bonds and Clemens better make it in also, I really don't give a flying **** whether there is steroid concerns or not.
                            Well they had HOF careers before all that anyway. Piazza better get in also. I'll throw a fit suited for a 5 year old if he doesn't.
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                            • Originally posted by Giantsfan1080 View Post
                              He should be but some idiot writer will not give him a vote because if "(insert player here) was not unanimous then Maddux shouldn't be either."
                              Bingo. And yes, just let all of the steroid guys in.

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                              • Originally posted by Giantsfan1080 View Post
                                Well they had HOF careers before all that anyway. Piazza better get in also. I'll throw a fit suited for a 5 year old if he doesn't.
                                If Jim Rice can get in while being worse offensively and defensively at an easier position, then Piazza has to get in.


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