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If we don't come out with either Patrick Patterson or Jai Lucas on signing day, we will end up with a pretty bad recruiting class.
Indeed, I think we might get Lucas but I'm thinking Patterson will be a gator.
We'll also end up settling for Steffphon Pettigrew, I watched him play a week or two ago. He's 6'5 and averages 34 points a game for a KY high school team but he did all that as a power forward. He can hit the 3, he's not great at defense and he doesn't look comfortable handling the ball. I don't want him.
Explicitive removed.:D You guys did not get enough to replace those guys. Scheyer is a good player, as is Henderson but they do not replace Redick, Williams, and Dockery.
Here you go...
Frazier - Paulus: I'd take Frazier all day on this one. Greg is sooo overrated. Chet is our teams heartbeat and pretty much willed our guys to victory against Missouri.
McBride - Nelson: Nelson all day, he's a good player and McBride is struggling.
Randle - Scheyer: Randle all day, All-Big 10 Talent right now, and still isn't healthy. Scheyer will be darn good, but not right now.
Carter - McRoberts: Right now, Carter is playing at an All-Big 10 level, and if you've watched us this season you'd realize that he's been our MVP. I'll take Carter.
Pruitt - ????: Toss up. Pruitt's been a little inconsistent this season and I'll give the Dookies the benefit of the doubt here.
Bench: Illinois > Duke
Brock, Smith, Meacham, Carlwell, and Arnold (used to be Semrau as well) > Duke's Bench.
Alright Sweetness i am assuming that this is the argument you wanted me to rebute, correct? OK well here it is.. I'll try to follow it for the most part. I ask you to keep one thing in mind while you read it. I do not get to see every Illinois game because they have not been nationally televised too much this season. However, I have seen them play enough time to know plenty about them. I guess what I am going to do here is compare the players then do a breakdown of the teams players individually. Keep in mind mine will probably be a little more heavily based on Dukes abilities rather than Illinios downfalls because i have just a little more interest in them..
We'll start in the backcourt.
PG- Many people have doubted Paulus so far to say the least( and i have been there with them, many of times, and even one of he first) , but this kid is honestly really starting to come around. His main point of criticizm has been his turnovers( which are actually down from last season). Greg actually dosen't commit too many turnovers when Duke is able to grind down teams with their nasty half court offense that coach K drills to a perfection. His downfall is most certianly the transition offense. Whenever I see Paulus pushing the rock down the court i get a little nervous because this is his weakness. Paulus usually makes critical mistakes in transition, this could explain some of the reason for his 4:3 assist to turnover ratio. My explanation for Paulus's struggles have been the lack of consistant play down in the paint. Who does he have to dish the rock to? McRoberts? No way, Mcroberts is far far from a true 5 man and after that the only real option is Zebouk who moonwalks more than MJ.( this could explain why his assists are down nearly two a game from last year, I mean who wouldn't be down a little after loosing JJ and Sheldon??) The most encouraging devlepment from Paulus has been his shooting. He is really starting to let it rain( his shooting percentage has gone up from last year from 37% to 46%, this is absolutly great improvment for a sophmore). His three point average over the last 5-7 games has over 50% which is outstanding for a PG. Greg is also improving vastly in his 15-18 foot jumper, that little baseline fader he does is just sweet. One other element that is comming along is his drive. He will never be able to be a exceptional at driving the rock because of his size and inability to slash, but nevertheless he is still comming along nicely in that department as well.Overall his offensive game is comming along nicely. Most fail to realize his leadership, he really keeps the team rolling whith his leadership skills as well. He's the first to the huddle and to the bench. He's really becomming an extension of Coach K out there on the court. Bottem line, this kid will be a good player in his final two years with the offensive weapons Duke is landing in recruiting. After all he did lead the ACC in assits as a freshman which is impressive even if you have #4 on your team.
On too Illinios BC.
I actually like this guy and his defensive intensity I also really like his team oriented play. He really gets everyone else involved in the game and really is a true point guard. He is the owner of a 50/24 assist to runover ratio which is solid and also averages 4.5 assists per game. I also liked his tansition defense and offense. He really seemed to exicute in tansition fairly well and fill lanes correctly almost every time. He could really work on his shooting some more and improve his shooting percentage, but When I watch this guy play i saw something that caught my eye a LITTLE BIT in his shooting. He has a pretty good feel for shooting you could say, but overall his offensive scoring is one of his downfalls..I realize that your point isn't supposed to be your leading scorer, but the ability of a 1 man to get the rock to the hole is very enderestimated. His scoring is deffiently up from his freshman year and he is showing signs of improvement, but it would be nice if he could help out the Illinios offense a little more because they don't exactly have premire players on the offensive side of the ball in my personel opinion.
Overall I give the edge to Mcdonalds all-american Paulus surprisingly. He makes mistakes for sure, but he contibutes more than one might think. My reason? His offensive production.After all he does lead Frazer by over 4pts per game i believe. I really think the two are fairly equal in the rest of their games( although I give Fraizer the benefit of the doubt when dishing the rock), but Paulus offensive ability is what made me do so...
I'll try and get the rest of the positions done here quickly but it really takes quite some time and I have alot of homework to get done here so it could be awhile. I'll probably do it in this format( player by player) then the bench and the team overall. Let me know what you think.
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Good analysis. By my counter to you choosing Paulus is this...
Chet is a much better defender (All Big 10 Defensive Team) and he is an incredible rebounder for a guard. He's certainly not the scorer that Paulus is but he doesn't need to be. The game of basketball is more than just offensive production, especially for PG's.
Here's my breakdown of the two players:
Shooting: Paulus - Chet needs a bunch of improvement in this area. If Chester can get more consistent, he'll be a good shooter, but he doesn't have a consistent shot yet. But he has greatly improved from last season. Paulus may be inconsistent, but he's a better shooter, no doubt about that.
Driving: Draw - Paulus is a good driver and penetrator, but so is Chet when he's 100%. He's lighting quick off the dribble and very strong inside. He just doesn't do it as much as I'd like him to.
Passing: Frazier - Call me a homer here but Chet makes a lot less mistakes then Paulus does, even though Greg has improved. Chet seems to make the easy play all the time. And keep in mind this is just Chet's first year as a starter. Greg has started for 2 years now. And at one point, Frazier possessed a top 10 assist average in the nation.
Defense: Frazier - This is no contest and I don't think I have to defend this at all.
Rebounding: Frazier - Again, one of the best rebounding guards in the Big 10, and this was on just one foot.
Toughness: Draw - Shocking huh, well Greg has been known to dive into tables before, and Chet is one of the toughest guys in the game. I like how both guys play the game.
Leadership: Frazier - I have yet to see Greg take a leadership role on that team. Everytime I've watched them he doesn't seem to lead his team, which is surprising. Frazier on the other hand is our teams heartbeat. He's one of the leaders and he's one of the guys who goes all out every game for us.
Experience: Paulus - Pretty black and white here. Greg has had 2 years of starting, Chet has had one.
One area that doesn't show up on the stat sheet is Frazier's 2nd chance point opportunities. He gives our team at least 2 or 3 extra opportunities on hustle plays per game.
Chet is a true point guard. He's pass first, shoot second. While Paulus is a hybrid 1. He looks for his shot more than he does for passing, and that IMO is not a PG.
I give the edge to Frazier here. And keep in mind, this was on one foot the entire season. I don't think I've ever seen a harder worker than this kid and if he keeps going at this pace, by the time he's a senior, he's going to be a heckava player for us. Not sure about NBA potential, but he has a shot to be pretty darn good. His shooting is his key area of improvement. Which can be helped.
Up next is the 2 guard. Which is b/w Nelson and McBride. I still hold to my belief that Nelson is a better player. So if you say the same thing, I likely won't counter what you have to say.
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