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  • #16
    The problem with Mussina is he's never really been elite. Frank Thomas is certainly in the hall as is Bagwell. Biggio? Ehhh, I'd be on the fence with him.

    Here's one: How about Griffey.


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    • #17
      Originally posted by Brodeur
      The problem with Mussina is he's never really been elite. Frank Thomas is certainly in the hall as is Bagwell. Biggio? Ehhh, I'd be on the fence with him.

      Here's one: How about Griffey.
      is that a serious question?

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      • #18
        It would be ignorant and stupid of hall of fame voters to not let McGwire in because of what he may or may not have done in the past.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Brodeur
          The problem with Mussina is he's never really been elite. Frank Thomas is certainly in the hall as is Bagwell. Biggio? Ehhh, I'd be on the fence with him.

          Here's one: How about Griffey.
          I don't care how many injuries he has suffered lately, Junior has clinched his HOF plaque about 5-6 years ago.

          He may have been the greatest player of his generation.

          On other players mentioned:

          Schilling - I think he has a good shot at it, but I don't think it's a sure thing.
          Mussina - He has a shot at it, but if he may need another few good-to-excellent seasons.
          Biggio - I think he's in. He might be the best 2b of his generation.
          Bagwell - He should be in, but some writers might be idiotic enough not to vote for him.
          Thomas - He is in. As big as he is I don't really think that he is under any 'roid cloud, as he has been a big guy throughout his career.


          Other names to consider:

          Mike Piazza
          Ivan Rodriguez
          Juan Gonzalez
          Omar Visquel
          Jim Thome
          Tom Glavine
          John Smoltz
          Andy Pettite

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          • #20
            Griffey is easily first ballot IMO. If only he had never gotten the injury bug, :shock: .

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MaxV
              Other names to consider:
              Mike Piazza IN
              Ivan Rodriguez IN
              Juan Gonzalez OUT
              Omar Visquel OUT (but very very close)
              Jim Thome Once he breaks 500 homeruns, IN
              Tom Glavine IN
              John Smoltz IN
              Andy Pettite Will have to finish his career in NY very strongly, OUT at this point

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              • #22
                I'd put Vizquel in, mainly because Ozzie Smith got in and Vizquel has been just as good of a defender as Ozzie, whilst being a better hitter and nearly as good a runner.


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                • #23
                  Do you guys remember when there was absolutely NO DOUBT that Juan Gone would be a HOFer?

                  BTW, I forgot about Chipper, I think he has a shot at it, but only if he continues to produce for a few more seasons.

                  Also, regarding every player that is on that poll, if there was a "NONE" option I'd choose it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by MaxV
                    Do you guys remember when there was absolutely NO DOUBT that Juan Gone would be a HOFer?

                    BTW, I forgot about Chipper, I think he has a shot at it, but only if he continues to produce for a few more seasons.

                    Also, regarding every player that is on that poll, if there was a "NONE" option I'd choose it.
                    I agree about the none option, but if I had to choose off that list, I'd choose Rafael Palmeiro. Mainly because he was more than a one dimensional player.


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                    • #25
                      This is why the MLB Hall of Fame is becoming way too easy to get in to.

                      Neither Mussina or Schilling are Hall of Famers. Schilling has had two dominating years, but other then that he's been eh. He doesn't have the career numbers.

                      Mussina's been pretty steady, but he was never dominant, he's always been middle of the pack.

                      The Hall of Fame is supposed to be for elite players, and I think the MLB will make a huge mistake if they continue to let in products of longitivity in, because they have been middle of the road for a while and thus compiled career numbers because they were fortunate to be healthy.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Brodeur
                        I'd put Vizquel in, mainly because Ozzie Smith got in and Vizquel has been just as good of a defender as Ozzie, whilst being a better hitter and nearly as good a runner.
                        Ozzie was a better runner IMO, slightly a better fielder, but both were outstanding fielders

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Jonathan_VIlma
                          This is why the MLB Hall of Fame is becoming way too easy to get in to.

                          Neither Mussina or Schilling are Hall of Famers. Schilling has had two dominating years, but other then that he's been eh. He doesn't have the career numbers.

                          Mussina's been pretty steady, but he was never dominant, he's always been middle of the pack.

                          The Hall of Fame is supposed to be for elite players, and I think the MLB will make a huge mistake if they continue to let in products of longitivity in, because they have been middle of the road for a while and thus compiled career numbers because they were fortunate to be healthy.
                          For a pitcher staying healthy is half the battle though. Zito obviously isn't a hall of famer but the fact that he basically starts 35 games a year and never misses a start was maybe the most attractive thing about him this year in free agency.

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                          • #28
                            Like some have said, you guys are making the Hall of Fame way too easy to get into. Mussina is probably not getting in and Schilling is very borderline and probably won't get in. I think the active guys that are hall of famers are as follows:

                            Roger Clemens - He may have been the greatest pitcher of our generation and deserves to at least be in the discussion of greatest pitcher ever. If he comes back next year he'll have 350 wins and 4700 K.

                            Greg Maddux - He'll have 340+ wins, 3200 K, and currently has a career ERA of 3.07. The 5 Cy Young awards and 16 Gold Glove awards (all consecutively) will no doubt get him in.

                            Tom Glavine - Will most likely be the last 300 game winner of our generation and possibly ever. He has 2 Cy Young awards (would've been more if he wasn't in the same league as Maddux) and is a 10-time all-star.

                            Randy Johnson - I debated this one for awhile, but after comparing numbers, he's gotta be in. He should end up with 290 wins, 4700 K, and is currently sporting a career ERA of 3.22 to go along with 5 Cy Young awards and a pitching triple crown.

                            Pedro Martinez - Just looking at career totals, he looks to be a boarderline hall of famer. But to anyone that has followed his career he is a lock. Pedro had the most dominating "peak" of any pitcher ever. He'll end up with a career ERA under 3.00 and 3000K. He has 3 Cy Young awards and finished in the top 3 three other times. He also finished 2nd in the 1999 MVP voting.

                            Barry Bonds - Love it or hate it, he's getting in. Unless MLB can find him guilty, people will put him in based on his numbers alone. I've done calculations, and had Barry Bonds not alledgedly done steroids, he still would've finished his career 3rd on the all-time HR list. He was in the HOF before he took steroids, so he'll get in.

                            Ken Griffey - If he was healthy throughout his career he'd probably be the greatest baseball player ever. In his 18 year career he's only played more than 130 games 9 times and he should STILL get to 600 HR. Combine that with his popularity and great defense, he's a lock.

                            (I'll give explanations for the rest later)

                            Frank Thomas

                            Manny Ramirez

                            Jeff Bagwell

                            Derek Jeter

                            Mike Piazza

                            Ivan Rodriguez


                            Guys who are on the fence:

                            Curt Schilling

                            Todd Helton

                            Juan Gonzalez

                            Jim Thome

                            Chipper Jones


                            Guys who could get there, but not right now:

                            Mike Mussina

                            Gary Sheffield

                            Carlos Delgado

                            Jim Edmonds

                            David Wells

                            Kevin Brown

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                            • #29
                              Also, Jonathan_VIlma. What do you define as a dominating year? Because I count 5 1/2 for Schilling.

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                              • #30
                                P-L, nice list, that covers nearly all the big names. I agree with everything you wrote except for Todd Helton, I think it's way too early for him, even for him to be considered "on the fence". I think he'll have to sustain his level of play for at least 5-7 more years to have a legit shot at the hall, because besides hitting for average, his numbers are not really HOF worthy, yet. 1700 hits, 286 HR, 996 RBI: he needs to bulk those numbers up, especially playing at Coors Field. I love the career .333 BA though, and good D as well (3 gold gloves), just not enough yet in my opinion, yet being the opitimal word.

                                Couple other names to think about:

                                Mariano Rivera
                                Trevor Hoffman
                                Billy Wagner

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