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V. Young 08-17-2007 12:32 AM

Jonas gray..nebraska??
 
Rivals looks like its showing jonas might choose nebraska soon. Hes get them high over other schools. He looks like he could be really good. How do you guys feel about him?

V. Young 08-17-2007 12:59 AM

He just made a solid verbal to neb.

Sniper 08-17-2007 01:08 AM

He made a solid verbal to Nebraska a while ago.

DWilliams2IndyColts 08-17-2007 11:58 AM

Everywhere else had his verbal a while ago but I think Rivals just forgot to put it down.

V. Young 08-17-2007 11:58 AM

Yeah rivals just got it on there.

BerninWI 08-17-2007 04:08 PM

IMO, he's a little bit overrated. Great size and speed combination, but he he runs a little bit like Michael Johnson, and he has below average shiftiness. Will come up with the big play on occasion, but outside of those runs will average 3-4 yards per carry.

bwillie26 08-18-2007 12:18 AM

Jonas committed to Nebraska weeks ago. Rivals was all over his announcement, as they were at his presser he had in his HS. Scout was as well. You're wayyyy behind my friend. lol

I'm just glad someone got in their 'overrated' shot when a certain prospect doesn't choose their school. Oh well.

Sniper 08-18-2007 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwillie26 (Post 565405)
Jonas committed to Nebraska weeks ago. Rivals was all over his announcement, as they were at his presser he had in his HS. Scout was as well. You're wayyyy behind my friend. lol

I'm just glad someone got in their 'overrated' shot when a certain prospect doesn't choose their school. Oh well.

The guy's a Wisconsin fan. Wisconsin was nowhere in the mix.

BerninWI 08-18-2007 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SNIPER26 (Post 565407)
The guy's a Wisconsin fan. Wisconsin was nowhere in the mix.

Damn right.

So nobody can make the claim that any player is overrated, lest they get accused of being bitter by his commitment/signing school's fans? Wisconsin was never a legit player for Jonas Gray. I call Wisconsin commits and legit prospects overrated all the time, and rarely are my opinions on players driven by cognitive dissonant bias or bitterness. It's not my M.O. I think Marcus Cromartie is overrated and I'm befuddled as to why he got offered by Florida. It seemed premature to me for the Badgers to accept commits from Zach Davison and Brandon Marti. I think Jonas Gray is overrated. That statement may not end up being 100 percent accurate, but it's not because I'm bitter. That's just my opinion.

V. Young 08-18-2007 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwillie26 (Post 565405)
Jonas committed to Nebraska weeks ago. Rivals was all over his announcement, as they were at his presser he had in his HS. Scout was as well. You're wayyyy behind my friend. lol

I'm just glad someone got in their 'overrated' shot when a certain prospect doesn't choose their school. Oh well.

Okay, jerk.

bwillie26 08-18-2007 12:58 PM

Wisconsin was in the mix early for Jonas, before getting shunned.

But the thing is, most RB's average 4YPC before busting a big one that allows their averages to jet up.

For instance ...

15 carries, 60 yards (4YPC)

Then on that 16 carry, you bust a 30 yard gain.

16 carries, 90 yards (5.6YPC)

So what Bernie is saying is true for most RBs. Their averages will be low, until they break that big gainer that allows their averages to look better. I don't see exactly what the problem is with that.

To me, he gives you exactly what you look for in a Bill Callahan WCO running back. The only thing he needs to be able to do in our zone blocking scheme is realize his cut back lanes and be able to hit them. We know he is going to do it with force, because the guy is a downhill runner. He also gives the ability to catch the ball out of the backfield, which is a HUGE thing in the WCO.

Everyone here knows if you go to a NIKE Camp and perform well, you will shoot up the charts. Look at EJ Manuel, for example. Jonas Gray is certainly no different.

And VYoung, don't bring some childish banter to the board.

V. Young 08-18-2007 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwillie26 (Post 565755)
Wisconsin was in the mix early for Jonas, before getting shunned.

But the thing is, most RB's average 4YPC before busting a big one that allows their averages to jet up.

For instance ...

15 carries, 60 yards (4YPC)

Then on that 16 carry, you bust a 30 yard gain.

16 carries, 90 yards (5.6YPC)

So what Bernie is saying is true for most RBs. Their averages will be low, until they break that big gainer that allows their averages to look better. I don't see exactly what the problem is with that.

To me, he gives you exactly what you look for in a Bill Callahan WCO running back. The only thing he needs to be able to do in our zone blocking scheme is realize his cut back lanes and be able to hit them. We know he is going to do it with force, because the guy is a downhill runner. He also gives the ability to catch the ball out of the backfield, which is a HUGE thing in the WCO.

Everyone here knows if you go to a NIKE Camp and perform well, you will shoot up the charts. Look at EJ Manuel, for example. Jonas Gray is certainly no different.

And VYoung, don't bring some childish banter to the board.

Well duh...we know how the ypc works. childish banter..ahah

BerninWI 08-19-2007 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwillie26 (Post 565755)
Wisconsin was in the mix early for Jonas, before getting shunned.

But the thing is, most RB's average 4YPC before busting a big one that allows their averages to jet up.

For instance ...

15 carries, 60 yards (4YPC)

Then on that 16 carry, you bust a 30 yard gain.

16 carries, 90 yards (5.6YPC)

So what Bernie is saying is true for most RBs. Their averages will be low, until they break that big gainer that allows their averages to look better. I don't see exactly what the problem is with that.

To me, he gives you exactly what you look for in a Bill Callahan WCO running back. The only thing he needs to be able to do in our zone blocking scheme is realize his cut back lanes and be able to hit them. We know he is going to do it with force, because the guy is a downhill runner. He also gives the ability to catch the ball out of the backfield, which is a HUGE thing in the WCO.

Everyone here knows if you go to a NIKE Camp and perform well, you will shoot up the charts. Look at EJ Manuel, for example. Jonas Gray is certainly no different.

And VYoung, don't bring some childish banter to the board.

Before getting shunned? Gray didn't string the Badgers on long enough for any emotion to be brought into his situation.

The only way I can legitimately determine if a recruit is overrated is by watching video. 98-99 percent of the video I watch is from players who were at one time considered Badger prospects. The other 1-2 percent is from players who are considered elite. The rest I'm not really concerned enough with. By your logic, I'll pretty much never be able to claim that a player is overrated, unless he's a Badger commitment. The only players rated highly enough to be considered overrated, would certainly have Badger offers. Therefore, they're in position to get "shunned". And the Badgers do get shunned 99 percent of the time by the top players. I'm used to it. I was saying Brandon Beachum would be an excellent linebacker for the Badgers when they were seemingly the favorite. Now he went to Penn State, and I still think he'll be an excellent linebacker. I said C.J. Peake was an amazing player when he committed to Wisconsin, and I was still saying the same after he decommitted (looks like an impact player at Louisville). Willie Mobley seems to be spurning Wisconsin, amongst others, for OSU. It doesn't change my opinion that he's a beast. So what makes Jonas Gray an exceptional situation to make me bitter? I think he's a little overrated for the reasons I said. You didn't like hearing it at as a Nebraska fan because you think someone is raining on your parade. You're the only person who's being biased between us.

I said he'll average 3-4 yards per carry outside of the home runs. 3 yards per carry on 3 downs, doesn't net you a first down. 4 does. So maybe a first down one out of every two set of downs. And the occasional big play. I don't think that makes for an overly effective back. Eddie George ran for a consistent 4 yards per carry every down with the Titans and was virtually unstoppable. Hart's somewhat of a poor man's version with Michigan. I'll take consistent grinding running backs over players who are inconsistent but will make a spectacular play occasionally. Optimum, you do both. However, I don't think that Gray is that type of player. He'll get buried in the backfield because his vision isn't top notch, and his strength doesn't match up with his size.

V. Young 08-19-2007 01:40 PM

Well said bernin. So hes not the next brandon jackson or ahman green? He just looked realy good, but kinda runs like a michael bush as you said, kinda moves his legs in a odd way..its interesting how he runs.

bwillie26 08-19-2007 01:43 PM

See, now you are trying to put words in my mouth. You have determined that something that other recruiting analysts and schools have not been able to see -- that Jonas Gray is overrated. So you are likely either showing bias, or not evaluating Jonas based on the same tape everyone else has seen. Jonas was rated highly before he went to the West Lafayette NIKE Camp. He went there and showed to the scouts that he was the best RB at that event and earned his status among the elite. He even furthered that by going to a camp being ran by Michigan. At that camp he ran in the 4.3's showing off he has pretty damm good speed for a 215lbs. running back.

Going by what you have stated -- Gray doesn't have the speed, agility, vision or run with the power to be a top-shelf RB at the next level. I mean, essentially, you are saying he is a mid-major esque player. lol

I'm looking at his highlight tapes right now, and I see a player with great vision while showing his patientce to allow his teammates to set up blocks for him. Once those blocks are set, he is hitting the hole at full speed, just running by the DB's who are being left in the dust.

If you or anyone else think he does not run with power, go to highlight reel 5 on his Rivals profile. Around the 30 second, he plants and runs back into traffic, running thru about 4-5 tackes IN TRAFFIC on his way to a big gainer.

The big thing about Jonas' entire highlight reel, he is showing off speed that is on another level compared to his opponents. If he gets a step on any of them, it's over. If he turns the corner to see daylight, it's over.

After the highlight I mentioned above, the next run shows his patience and vision again. He allows his block to set up, plants his foot in the ground, then is at full speed quickly again. He makes one tackle miss, then he runs thru a tackle of a defensive lineman of all people on his way to a TD.

I mean, seriously, are we even watching the same highlight tapes -- honestly?

V. Young 08-19-2007 02:01 PM

Dude you're the one that said he was over rated now you are raving about him...haha. The same paragraph you say he is overrated and now you are raving about him? haha

bwillie26 08-19-2007 03:42 PM

^

WTH are you even talking about?

V. Young 08-19-2007 05:26 PM

You just said hes overrated on rivals. And then you state all this good stuff about him. Which one is it? Overrated or not overrated?

bwillie26 08-19-2007 06:36 PM

^

Put the pipe down or pass it one. Are you even reading the same thread I am? I have never ONCE said that Jonas is overrated.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH 08-19-2007 07:21 PM

Haven't heard much about this kid, but a power-back that runs a 4.35??? Damn, is he like Brandon Saine?

bwillie26 08-19-2007 07:51 PM

^

I don't think his 4.3 time is legit. Although he did run it at a Michigan camp, he didn't do it at the NIKE Camp where times are more likely to be accurate.

You should know of Jonas though. I think he is the 35th (somewhere in the 30's anyways) in the Rivals rankings.

V. Young 08-19-2007 11:38 PM

Must have read it wrong, I see you were talking about rivals..sorry my mistake.

BerninWI 09-04-2007 03:02 PM

Bwillie, Gray is ranked the #3 running back in Michigan behind Mark Ingram and Glenn Winston on Michigan Elite High School Football. Ingram is a 3-star player and Winston is 1-star/unrated. http://www.michiganelitefootball.com...s?type=offense

So they obviously feel he's overrated elsewhere too. Are they bitter he didn't commit to their website?

Sniper 09-04-2007 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH (Post 567438)
Haven't heard much about this kid, but a power-back that runs a 4.35??? Damn, is he like Brandon Saine?

Maybe he ran a 4.35, but he's not that game fast. He was in the 4.5's at first, maybe he got one of those Combine trainers.

reigle9 09-04-2007 04:50 PM

I always liked him and wanted him at PSU, but the coaches didn't feel the same way. They had written offers out to 12 other backs over him.


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