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Belish 02-12-2007 07:17 PM

Looking back at the 04 draft: QBs
 
This was debated so much after the draft and after Roethlisberger won the Super Bowl, but now that all four first-round QBs have had significant playing, I think we can decide which QB was the best pick in hindsight.

In terms of talent and everything, I'm saying Philip Rivers. He spends a couple years on the bench, and then explodes for 22 TD to 9 INT is what was essentially his rookie season with only 1 real receiving threat. Add in the fact that the Chargers also received the pick that turned into Merriman makes him the best pick of the draft.

doingthisinsteadofwork 02-12-2007 07:21 PM

Phillip Rivers.

njx9 02-12-2007 07:22 PM

great, another poorly veiled low blow at manning.

Donno 02-12-2007 07:29 PM

Philip Rivers has shown he can handle some pressure after Brees left, look at Rothlisberger this year no one has talked about him. Big Ben did win the big one but still.

cunningham06 02-12-2007 07:38 PM

The keyword in the first post was hindsight which very few football fans are capable of, you have to look at more than just this season.


Philip Rivers had a good season, but overall Big Ben has been the best. He took a team that was mediocre, and took them to the playoffs, and then the season after, he took them to the superbowl. Philip Rivers was a game manager for an excellent team this season. Ben was also a game manager for the Steelers his first two seasons, but like Ben's first season, Rivers and the highly touted Chargers had a dissapointing playoff performance. Roethlisberger and the Steelers won a Superbowl, and the Chargers and Rivers did not, so how at this point is it possible to say that Rivers was the better pick than Roethlisberger?

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) 02-12-2007 07:38 PM

I actually think the Giants front office wants Eli to fail. They might be the worst coached team in the league, Coughlin needs to be fired. If it's best pick, it's probably Rivers if you factor in that they got Merriman and Kaeding with it, but if you just go by draft position, you can make a case for Losman. He had an excellent year with a much less impressive cast, and has finally come into his own. He obviously wasn't quite as impressive as Rivers, but he didn't have the best player at 2 positions on offense to help him out, either. Plus when you factor in that Losman was picked, what? 20 spots behind Rivers, he may have been the best pick.

Freddy G 02-12-2007 07:40 PM

I'll take the ring...after all that's the point right? (i am seriously doubting that people realize this)

Philliez01 02-12-2007 07:43 PM

I like Eli Manning, I think most of his problems are just mental. He can correct them though, I know namesake got him some more recognition but I think some people are a bit too hard on him. He also needs to find consistency but once he does that, he'll be a pretty good QB.

Rivers played well this season and some of his late-season "struggles" can be directed at the Lis Franc sprain he suffered. It didn't hurt to have a record-breaking RB right behind him either. I also think he'll be a fine QB and this season really proved that. Once Jackson emerges. . . . .

Roethlisberger had to throw a little too much in the beginning of the season. He is a decent QB, hardly one of the best but I think that he's just going to be decent. He'll manage the game well, so to speak.

Losman really came a long way this season. He went from possibly being benched in favor of Craig Nall to being one of the promising players in the league. I think this year will really do well for him, if he develops even more. I don't think he's the best QB yet in this draft but we can start looking at him more seriously than we did before.

TCU 02-12-2007 07:51 PM

1. Eli
2. Rivers
3. Roth.
4. JP Losman

sdpads24 02-12-2007 07:51 PM

Right now...Big Ben is the best because he has a ring....untill someone else gets one from the 04 class, Big Ben should be the best right now.

dlions20 02-12-2007 08:05 PM

Super Bowl rings make me really mad. ESPN said after Payton won that Terry bradshaw was a better overall QB.

Bradshaw had the same amount of TD's than he did career INT's and benefieted from one of the greatest teams of all time.

02-12-2007 08:06 PM

I voted Phill Rivers but it is probably Big-Ben cause he has the SB ring but im pretty sure Rivers will be the next 1 to get it.

255979119 02-12-2007 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMontainya
Super Bowl rings make me really mad. ESPN said after Payton won that Terry bradshaw was a better overall QB.

Bradshaw had the same amount of TD's than he did career INT's and benefieted from one of the greatest teams of all time.


Different times man....

Next thing your going to say that Manning is better than Unitas because of stats.

Vince Lombardi 02-12-2007 08:17 PM

god, how many times do we have to have this thread. :roll:

I've always liked Rivers the best, as I've stated time and time again, but don't feel like explaining my opinion on this anymore. :?

RaiderNation 02-12-2007 08:23 PM

rivers

GiantRutgersFan 02-12-2007 08:35 PM

Right now:

1. Big Ben
2. Eli
3. Rivers
4. Losman



But if Big Ben has another year like this one, he drops far. I pretty much gave him a break since he had 2 great seasons and now a terrible one.

Eli is over Rivers because the difference in the 2 teams are crazy. Eli also outplayed Rivers in big moments as well and was great before the crippling injuries... Factor in that and the clutch factor, I go with Eli.

Losman had a pretty good season, but he needs to prove himself still

ninerfan 02-12-2007 08:42 PM

This topic is on a 3 month rotation

sdpads24 02-12-2007 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan
Right now:
Eli is over Rivers because the difference in the 2 teams are crazy. Eli also outplayed Rivers in big moments as well and was great before the crippling injuries... Factor in that and the clutch factor, I go with Eli.

Are you crazy. River led the chargers to like 5 comeback wins. I can't think of any times where Eli has been clutch.

detroit4life 02-12-2007 09:11 PM

if this poll were done last year it would be close to a 100 percent big ben maybe not completely 100 for all the eli homers but Big ben and the steelers had a bad year with his motor cycle accident to everything else that went wrong for them i have to put my vote for him his first two years were great and i think he's going to bounce back and be the same old ben next year.
And Rivers is definitly behind him and better than eli

PackerFan20 02-12-2007 09:15 PM

Rothlasomething. The guy came in as a rookie and went undefeated in the reg. season.
Rivers had one good season but had to sit behind Brees for 2 years.
Manning will soon enough be a 30 TD type of guy and we should see him in the pro bowl soon. His career started with alot of incosistent play.
Losman is the most athletic of the group and probably doesnt get the publicity he deserves.

NIN1984 02-12-2007 09:17 PM

Easy for me its Roethlisberger he already has a Super Bowl Championship and I think he will end up being a great QB for many years to come.

sdpads24 02-12-2007 09:19 PM

MY QB rankings now
1.Rivers
2.Big Ben
3.Losman
4 eli

21ST 02-12-2007 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninerfan
This topic is on a 3 month rotation

QFT

Shiver 02-12-2007 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 21ST
Quote:

Originally Posted by ninerfan
This topic is on a 3 month rotation

QFT

Let's make a Michael Vick or Terrell Owens thread. YES!

Caddy 02-13-2007 01:05 AM

In the long term my rankings would be:

1. Phillip Rivers
2. Ben Roethlisberger
3. JP Losman
4. Eli Manning


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