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d34ng3l021 05-30-2008 11:42 AM

2009 Falcons Draft Discussion
 
We will probably be picking top 10 for sure. Most likely, top 3. If we do so, can anyone make an argument as to why we shouldnt pick Michael Oher?

Draft King 05-30-2008 10:31 PM

The only way I wouldn't take him is if Sam Baker surprises the world and plays really well.

ATLDirtyBirds 05-30-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 (Post 1086890)
We will probably be picking top 10 for sure. Most likely, top 3. If we do so, can anyone make an argument as to why we shouldnt pick Michael Oher?


Yes. Sam Baker. We traded up and gave up a pretty penny to get him. If he sucks or not, he will get more then one year. It would be simply stupid to give up that much in a trade for a RT. Or if we keep Oher at RT we'd be paying a RT more then big-time LT's get, which is once again stupid. And this is coming from a guy who loves Oher. I just don't see us moving Sam Baker that easy.

Crickett 05-30-2008 10:40 PM

Guys, don't assume you're gettin the first overall pick. One of the arguments Jets fans had against drafting D'Brickashaw Ferguson was that they weren't going to be any better that upcoming season, so they'd be able to draft Joe Thomas the next year.

iloxygenil 05-31-2008 10:03 AM

I like Sam Baker a lot, and I think he's going to be a LOT better than people say...his arms just plain and simple are NOT that short. Sure they're not ideal, but no lineman in the draft has half the footwork of Baker. The Pac 10 is no longer a slouch conference, and look what happened when Baker dropped...not the QB...BAKER was the key to that, when he came back USC started winning again, when he was out, that was when they lost. JDB wasn't the issue, it was Baker.

That being said, Michael Oher would still be a great pickup.

BamaFalcon59 05-31-2008 10:34 AM

He does have very short arms. That has caused problems for a lot of tackles over the years, like Robert Gallery. But some players like Matt Light have succeeded with short arms, although I do believe Light is a bit overrated.

d34ng3l021 05-31-2008 04:05 PM

Lights terribly overrated in my opinion.

I know we traded up for Baker, but unless he does an excellent job at LT, I still think Oher is too much value at the top of the draft to pass up. Baker has great versatility and should be able to be plugged into guard or maybe even RT. This would leave us with a core of young players (Oher, Blalock, Baker) to anchor our line for Turner, Norwood, and Ryan.

Shane P. Hallam 05-31-2008 05:20 PM

Hope you don't mind me butting in as I saw the thread from the main forum. but, so much changes during the season, both college and NFL. How can say your team has to do anything? Oher could end up like Baker in a year, or the Falcons may pick up some UDFA or FA who is sick.

Paranoidmoonduck 05-31-2008 05:29 PM

We're probably going to find out the deal with Baker really soon, assuming he wins the LT job coming out of camp. His division foes at RDE are Will Smith, Gaines Adams, and Julius Peppers. As I see it, there's probably a good chance that one could make a decent decision on Baker's future at LT after one year, because he's either going to be suitable against that competition or not, and it isn't like he's considered a long term project or anything.

catcher_0_3 05-31-2008 06:06 PM

I'm with JBond on this one. There is no way to predict what kind of draft pick next year. For all we know our team could be the next worst to first story in the NFC South. Our front seven could turn out to be pretty dang good and everyone knows, you build from the inside out (cough Glen Dorsey). JK Matt Ryan, I'm jumping on your band wagon now that you are a Falcon.

d34ng3l021 05-31-2008 07:31 PM

I understand that there are many things that will change, but I think as of now, Oher has to be at the top of the board right now.I didnt mean to say that his regardless of his stock and FA aquisitions or trades we have to pick him. I just think that right now, unless Baker does extremely well (I agree with Paranoid. He was a 4 year starter at USC and is very developed. Either he succeeds or he doesnt) Oher has to be number 1 on our boards, not a DT or DE or WR.

iloxygenil 05-31-2008 09:11 PM

I'm not against him, but with the stud DTs coming out, I'm not sure how one of them couldn't be up there as well. I know Oher is the most prototypical LT the world has ever seen or whatever, but he hasn't done it on Sunday's yet, there's just no tellin.

oldLibid21 06-09-2008 11:14 AM

It's way too early to speculate at this point.

d34ng3l021 06-09-2008 12:05 PM

Who cares. Its fun to speculate anyway.

Geo 06-09-2008 12:15 PM

I'm not sure how good a pick that would be, what would happen with Sam Baker? Move to left guard? It would be a waste to draft Oher with a high pick only to play him at right tackle, it's not like Matt Ryan is left-handed.

Better course of action would be the best defensive lineman on the board, maybe.

d34ng3l021 06-09-2008 02:00 PM

Well I am under the assumption that we are getting a top3 pick and there are no defensive tackles worth that spot. Defensive tackle is by far our biggest need (I am very much not looking forward to the season with the DTs we have. RBs are going to be going for 5+ yards a carry), and if theres a guy who makes his stock that high, then we should take him.

But otherwise, who would you suggest we take with a top3 pick?

ATLDirtyBirds 06-09-2008 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 (Post 1098439)
Well I am under the assumption that we are getting a top3 pick and there are no defensive tackles worth that spot. Defensive tackle is by far our biggest need (I am very much not looking forward to the season with the DTs we have. RBs are going to be going for 5+ yards a carry), and if theres a guy who makes his stock that high, then we should take him.

But otherwise, who would you suggest we take with a top3 pick?


CRABTREE!!!!!!

scar988 06-16-2008 11:44 AM

WE DONT NEED A DAMN WIDE RECEIVER!!! WE GET OHER!!! Oher would make our line that much better. imagine this as our OL:
Oher-Blalock-McClure-Clabo-Baker

SuperKevin 06-16-2008 11:48 AM

No offense to Oher but if you all are picking top 3 and want an OT, Andre Smith from Alabama is the man to go with should he declare. He's the next Orando Pace and in my opinion in the running for #1 overall pick should he declare

ATLDirtyBirds 06-16-2008 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by scar988 (Post 1105129)
WE DONT NEED A DAMN WIDE RECEIVER!!! WE GET OHER!!! Oher would make our line that much better. imagine this as our OL:
Oher-Blalock-McClure-Clabo-Baker



We don't need to select a RT in the 20s! We'd do that if we take Oher however.

d34ng3l021 06-16-2008 12:12 PM

You cant pass up the best talent in the draft because you traded up to get a versatile LT in the previous year. Baker's presence should still be felt on the line, and he will be able to provide great depth in case of injury to any of our guys.

ATLDirtyBirds 06-17-2008 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 (Post 1105161)
You cant pass up the best talent in the draft because you traded up to get a versatile LT in the previous year. Baker's presence should still be felt on the line, and he will be able to provide great depth in case of injury to any of our guys.

You are claiming him to be the best talent already? As much as I like him, we are still a year away, and he is still raw. And Baker is a LT. There's no doubt about it. That's where he belongs. Trading up in the first round, letting him play a year at his position, then moving him to a new foreign spot wouldn't be smart at all.

SuperKevin 06-17-2008 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 (Post 1105161)
You cant pass up the best talent in the draft because you traded up to get a versatile LT in the previous year. Baker's presence should still be felt on the line, and he will be able to provide great depth in case of injury to any of our guys.

Who said Oher would be the best talent in the draft? The guy isn't even a sure fire LT prospect. There are still plenty of people in the scouting community who feel he may be best suited playing inside in the NFL. Alabama Jr LT Andre Smith is the best OT prospect in college football right now. He's an Orlando Pace clone

scar988 06-17-2008 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds (Post 1105149)
We don't need to select a RT in the 20s! We'd do that if we take Oher however.

what's wrong with selecting a OL that we desperately needi n the 20's? we need talent on the line. and even if Baker moves to RT or if we are arounf 10=15 this year and take a RT like Smith or in the 2nd take Loadholt, we will still spend a top 2 round pick on a RT. we need OL. we have skill positions. why waste a draft pick on a position of ZERO NEED. maybe if you said a DT that would work but WE DONT NEED A WIDE RECEIVER.

ATLDirtyBirds 06-17-2008 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by scar988 (Post 1106165)
what's wrong with selecting a OL that we desperately needi n the 20's? we need talent on the line. and even if Baker moves to RT or if we are arounf 10=15 this year and take a RT like Smith or in the 2nd take Loadholt, we will still spend a top 2 round pick on a RT. we need OL. we have skill positions. why waste a draft pick on a position of ZERO NEED. maybe if you said a DT that would work but WE DONT NEED A WIDE RECEIVER.


We have skill positions? We have Roddy "1 year" White. Everyone wanted him cut at the beginning of the season.. We have Laurent Robinson and his whopping 37 catches last year. Michael "Pick 6" Jenkins who is a major bust and Finneran who is coming off big injuries. And Harry Douglas who at best is a slot WR. Is there some potential in the top two? For sure. Espically if White repeats. It doesn't look like enough to ignore a talent like Crabtree though.


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