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elway=goat 11-11-2008 04:13 AM

Kurt Warner
 
Kurt Warner is revived his career and is in the running for MVP this season, after another great game. He is arguably playing better than any QB in the league right now. Lets say they Cards and Warner finish the season on fire, and he picks up his 3rd MVP.

Right now he is itting at:

2 MVP's
1 Superbowl MVP

If he picks up a 3rd does he make the Hall of fame?

Also the Cards have just as good of a shot as anyone of making it to the Superbowl and winning it imo. They have enough weapons on offense and defense to make some serious noise in the playoffs. So lets assume the Cards have a dream season, Warner wins the MVP and a superbowl MVP

That puts him at 3 regular season MVP's and 2 Superbowl MVP's, does that get him into the hall of fame?



My feeling is he, he has one of the weirdest careers ever. If he continues on his current pace he will throw for 4907 yards, completing 70.6% of his passes 34 TD's and 11 picks with a rating of 106.4. If he finishes with numbers close to that he has 3 of the top 20 seasons from a QB in moderen NFL history, IMO.

I think he gets in off that alone, you add in his accalaids, and its a done deal. Warner is the man.

7-11 11-11-2008 04:31 AM

Monday night football pre-game, is that you?

Brent 11-11-2008 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 7-11 (Post 1307389)
Monday night football pre-game, is that you?

Jaws had Warner's nuts in his mouth all game.

bored of education 11-11-2008 06:41 AM

lol @ 7 11. I was thinking along those lines before the season started. If Kurt puts up some monster seasons and brings the Card to NFL Championship games or whatever he would def. be a HoFer. 45% of his games he has started he has thrown for 300 yards or more is a disgusting stat.

Never was a fan of his but if he puts up 2-3 monster years and brings the Cards to the promised land then YES he is an HoFer.

tjsunstein 11-11-2008 07:34 AM

He should win MVP this year but it kills me saying that he'll be tied with Favre in something.

ChezPower4 11-11-2008 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tjsunstein (Post 1307424)
He should win MVP this year but it kills me saying that he'll be tied with Favre in something.

I'd say right now that Warner is making the best case for MVP. As for the Hall of Fame, if he were to win his third MVP I think that he may get in at some point but I don't think that he'd be a first ball. He'd have to wait a while till he got in.

giantsfan 11-11-2008 07:59 AM

Has warner really passed Portis? I mean yeah he has great stats and his team is 6-3 in the NFC West, but is that really more impressive than what Portis is doing for the skins in the NFC East?

Number 10 11-11-2008 08:13 AM

If a Cardinal is in the MVP talk, its Anquan Boldin.

Prowler 11-11-2008 08:25 AM

if he gets mvp this year then yes he is definately in. if he fails then he needs one or two more good years. with the mvp this year he'd have like 5 years of great production and that should be good enough. nflers don't really need to have the long shelf lives that mlb hall of famers do

terribletowel39 11-11-2008 08:26 AM

Warner deserves it. Over Q and over Portis. Him and Brees are really really close.

tjsunstein 11-11-2008 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 (Post 1307446)
If a Cardinal is in the MVP talk, its Anquan Boldin.

But it's really not. Warner has been the spark to this team but I agree Boldin is doing absolutely incredible this year. I thank him for being awesome on my fantasy team.

cdub11 11-11-2008 08:48 AM

Kurt Warner is a borderline HOF. A third MVP award would probably cement his HOF status.

Yatta! 11-11-2008 09:04 AM

On a different tangent: If he won MVP or the Cardinals had a decent playoff run would he retire? He'll be 38 by the time next season rolls around and he said something about retirement at the beginning of this year.

tjsunstein 11-11-2008 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Yatta! (Post 1307479)
On a different tangent: If he won MVP or the Cardinals had a decent playoff run would he retire? He'll be 38 by the time next season rolls around and he said something about retirement at the beginning of this year.

He'll probably speak to god about that. hahaha. Anyone see his interview after the game? They asked him what accredited to his success and he said 'how awesome god is.' How do you think Q and Fitz compare to Bruce and Holt from the greatest show on turf?

Geo 11-11-2008 09:34 AM

I don't buy Warner was an MVP candidate.

He's doing great ... because he has Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, and Stevie Breaston. Warner is delivering the ball accurately, but that's easily the best trio of receivers in the league and it isn't close.

Imo, and I think I mentioned this earlier, Boldin and Fitz are my top two receivers in the league.

Plus an MVP candidate can't just be an MVP candidate at home, he has to play at that level on the road. Warner didn't at San Francisco, at Washington, and at New York (Jets). He did play well at Carolina in a losing effort though.

Just a playoff berth and a Pro Bowl for Warner imo, maybe even All-Pro recognition, which is good enough.

tjsunstein 11-11-2008 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Geo (Post 1307488)
I don't buy Warner was an MVP candidate.

He's doing great ... because he has Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, and Stevie Breaston. Warner is delivering the ball accurately, but that's easily the best trio of receivers in the league and it isn't close.

Imo, and I think I mentioned this earlier, Boldin and Fitz are my top two receivers in the league.

Plus an MVP candidate can't just be an MVP candidate at home, he has to play at that level on the road. Warner didn't at San Francisco, at Washington, and at New York (Jets). He did play well at Carolina in a losing effort though.

Just a playoff berth and a Pro Bowl for Warner imo, maybe even All-Pro recognition, which is good enough.

Valid Points. I think at this point Warner>Portis in terms of value to their team. Not knocking Portis at all though as he's greatly important. Who is your MVP?

awfullyquiet 11-11-2008 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Brent (Post 1307405)
Jaws had Warner's nuts in his mouth all game.

Hence why anyone brings it up?

I wonder what we happened if the commentators just shut the hell up... would people care about brett favre outside of winsconsin?

Brent 11-11-2008 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by awfullyquiet (Post 1307494)
I wonder what we happened if the commentators just shut the hell up... would people care about brett favre outside of winsconsin?

Probably not. They dont talk about Eli every day but he's been having a fantastic season.

CC.SD 11-11-2008 09:51 AM

I've already said I think Kurt will get in, and that was before he started having this amazing year. He is the frontrunner for MVP right now.

Geo 11-11-2008 09:52 AM

MVP?
 
Haven't really thought about it, I had thought it was Drew Brees and maybe still do. He is the New Orleans Saints, if he doesn't get it done they don't win. Except for a while there he was getting it done without Colston and Shockey.

Then again that sort of argument brings Peyton Manning into the picture, if the Colts and he immediately play consistently at this higher level from before and find a way to win most of their games. He'd have to make up a lot of ground, but if the race has no strong leading candidate, who knows.

Though name-value and recognition aside, there's an element of desensitization to some players (Peyton included), a sticking point of Shiver's I recall and agree with. Manning actually put the team in position to win the Jacksonville game too, but the defense couldn't hold onto the lead.

I think Kerry Collins is more of a consideration than Warner, honestly. Collins has made plays in the fourth quarter for his team to win games. Funny how both of those guys have usurped the struggling '06 Draft darlings.

Not big on Haynesworth as MVP or even DPOTY, really. I think people are talking him up because he came in second in DPOTY last year and might have been first if he was healthy for all 16 games.

awfullyquiet 11-11-2008 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Brent (Post 1307497)
Probably not. They dont talk about Eli every day but he's been having a fantastic season.

lets not bring that up.

tjsunstein 11-11-2008 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Brent (Post 1307497)
Probably not. They dont talk about Eli every day but he's been having a fantastic season.

That's completely false. People would still like to know about Favre but not on a consistent basis. He is brought up more than the actual Jets game more times than not. People like to be drunk but hate being hungover. That's the only way I can put it. If it makes any sense at all, I'm not sure.

MetSox17 11-11-2008 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Geo (Post 1307503)
I think Kerry Collins is more of a consideration than Warner, honestly. Collins has made plays in the fourth quarter for his team to win games. Funny how both of those guys have usurped the struggling '06 Draft darlings.

This has gotta be a joke. Kerry Collins? Because he makes a few fourth quarter throws? There's no way in hell Kerry Collins even ends up in the Top-Five in voting if his stats keep up the way they are. Bus-Drivers don't win MVP's. Guys playing out of their freakin' minds win MVP's. There's four guys right now that have a legitimate shot at winning it, and none of them are named Collins.

Peterson, Portis, Warner or Rivers. Coincidentally, all from the NFC. Both quarterbacks are putting up ridiculous numbers, but i'll give the nod to Kurt Warner. Who the hell cares if he has two of the best WR's in the game, that shouldn't hurt his candidacy. Tom Brady never put up MVP numbers without Randy or Welker, nor did Manning without Wayne and Harrison. It's a stupid argument to make, that a guy deserves it less because of his surrounding cast. It's laughable.

Warner is completing 70% of his passes, is second in the league in TD passes and first in quarterback rating. Brees has a bigger shot at Collins, and he isn't even in the discussion for me right now.

Gtho of here with that Kerry Collins junk.

CashmoneyDrew 11-11-2008 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by awfullyquiet (Post 1307494)
I wonder what we happened if the commentators just shut the hell up... would people care about brett favre outside of winsconsin?

I know I sure as hell don't.

Basileus777 11-11-2008 12:27 PM

Kerry Collins doesn't even deserve pro-bowl consideration, let alone belong in the MVP discussion. I don't think we've quite reached the level where they just give the MVP to the qb on the best team in the league.


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